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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 5, Number 131

                  Friday, 12 March 1999

Today's Topics:

Mis-heard Lyric: Greenman as symbol for the fall of communism?
                    To David and David
               embarrass davidoh? why yes!
                     Big Bang Theory
             Right is left and left is right.
                  I have meen converted!
             Re: Apple Venus/+ a little more
                       I surrender
            "Chalkhill" in a Playstation game
                     Re: AV1 (again!)
          the sampling issue rages on...(Pt. 2)
                        Some stuff
                       Catching up
                        XTC intro
                   THONG to the rescue
                Gentle Jesus, make it stop
     Re: Partridge , Moulding , Badeill and Skinner !
               Re: Dom's Pre-midlife crisis
          Oh, yer gonna hate me for THIS one...
              Re: Dave, Dave, and Dave Again


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Message-ID: <01d501be6bec$9ddb4740$8d2abed8@hwirtz>
From: "Hank Wirtz" <>
Subject: Mis-heard Lyric: Greenman as symbol for the fall of communism?
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:26:00 -0800

My brother heard Greenman and asked me why they mentioned Brezhnev.
"Huh?" I say.
"You know, 'Le-o-nid, Le-o-nid, Le-o-nid, Leonid Brezhnev.'"
"Um, that's 'Lay your head' not 'Leonid.'"
"Oh....I like 'Leonid' better."
"Suit yourself."
Apparently this is why AP didn't want a lyric sheet.



Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 19:21:17 +0100
From: strangeways <>
Subject: AV1

> One of the great AV 1 moments that no one mentioned before: Andy's
> breathing in at the beginning of Your Dictionary (...) Does anyone
> know other songs which are started this way?

In general? At the beginning of Speedway by Morrissey. An even deeper
intake of breath.

> What are some of your better misheard lyrics from AV1?

"Enter Easter and she's dressed and you're young"

Doesn't make sense at all, I know.

Some favourite AV1 moments:

When Andy starts singing "drop us all" in The Last Balloon, and the
whirling melody in Greenman at 0:25 and 3:04, smashing!



Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:13:58 -0400
From: Micheal Stone <nedrise@MNSi.Net>
Subject: To David and David


In #128, David Edwards wrote a very interesting piece on Easter
Theatre. Thanks David, I'm going to check out that Joseph Campbell book.

Regarding the meaning of the line, "Now the son has died, the father can be
born." --David says:

> I think the idea is that we can only become
> fathers/creators when we stop being children. So in a sense our old
>childish selves have to 'die' so that we can be 'born' as adults and

Well, I think to be creative, it's imperative to hold on to as much of the
child in us as we can.  We need the childlike wonder, the "beginner's
mind", to create something of value.  Good art needs to come from a place
of little logic or responsibility, hence childlike.  I'd like your
explanation better if you just take out the word "creators".

Here is Andy's comment  about that line from Song Stories:
"It is self explanatory.  It just says one son dies and another is born
which will itself become a father."

Yours is somewhat different than Andy's, David but I like both viewpoints.

* ------------------------------------------------------------------

Also in #128, David Oh is complaining about Dom's nasty flaming.  You feel
it's too much?  Not me.  If you refer back to the original post by Slonedog
(#106-'Wow, this album really blows guys'), you'll see that the term
"moronic bullshit" is quite apt.

It's fine if people want to say they don't like AV1, or even say it's bad
in some way. Misguided as we may think that is, that's their perogative,
and I've got no problem with that.  As long as they can say it in an
intelligent and coherent way.  Unfortunately, Slonedog was capable of
neither, so he got the 'treatment'.  From Dom, myself, and others.

What goes around comes around, and pretty quick sometimes!



Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:24:58 EST
Subject: embarrass davidoh? why yes!

Hello chalkhillers,

Too keep a long story short...

This past Monday, I received a surprise in the mail from davidoh - I knew I
was getting something in the mail, but had no idea what it was... Until I
opened up the surprise and realized that davidoh got me an autograph from
Andy (from the Toronto in-store appearance) AND, he also had Andy answer a
simple question of mine (that davidoh printed out for Andy to read) by
writing in big letters, "YES!".  Thank you Andy for your response!!

The thing is, davidoh and I don't know each other AT ALL, yet he was kind
enough to do this for me!  So thank you, davidoh - I've already thanked you
a number of times by e-mail, but one more won't hurt!

Definitely a lot of NICE people on this mailing list!!



Message-Id: <>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:01:49 -0500
From: Todd Bernhardt <>
Subject: Big Bang Theory


David Oh chastised Dom for ripping up the guy who ripped up AV1 by --
that's right -- reposting Dom's entire reply to the guy. Thanks,
David, I found it even funnier the second time around.

Seriously, a "review" as thoughtless (and by that I mean "without
thought") as that was asking for a reply like that. Dom merely peered
into his dictionary to put into words what countless people were

Speaking of dictionaries, Paul Culnane said:

>I'm having some difficulty with the lyrics of "Your Dictionary". Not so
much the vitriol (which I find a tad obvious and pedestrian), but with the
lines about Joey & Mary/Santa and the tooth fairy. Cute lines though they
may be in themselves, they seem incongruous in the context of the song, and
seem to only be there to facilitate a rhyme with the word 'dictionary'.  I
just think overall that the lyrics are clumsy and they spoil a very pretty

I know just what you mean, and have thought that since I first heard
the demo for the song. However, I have a little conspiracy theory:
I've written several vitriolic breakup songs myself (great way of
purging the bad feelings; plus, IMO, because anger and jealousy are
such pure, elemental emotions, you can sometimes get a great song out
of them, as in "Your Dictionary"), and though I've written them on a
level that allows anyone to understand them, I've also put a lot of
puns, double entendres, hidden meanings, etc., into the lyrics that
only the people involved could understand.

Andy is nothing if not a master lyricist (in this case, if he's trying
to piss off his wife with these lyrics, I guess you could call him a
master baiter ... arf, arf), so I don't think he came up with the
lines in question merely because he couldn't think of a better rhyme.
Instead, I'm willing to bet that: a) The guy who took Marianne away
from him is named Joe ("I'm not so sure that Joey wed a virgin Mary");
and 2) He's got buckteeth, and Andy's questioning his manhood ("I'm
not so sure of Santa or the bucktoothed fairy"). Anyone close to the
band care to confirm/deny/stonewall?

What I'd like to know is, why did he change the lyric from the demo's
"You'll hear my faith leap" to "All your corn I'll reap" (sorry, all
lyrics approximate, I don't have the demo or the album w/me at work).
The second seems an inferior line to me, but maybe (probably) I'm
missing the point there.

And who's that guy on the grassy knoll over there? Dave? Is that you?
Put down the gu


Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 20:12:33 +0000
From: B Blanchard <>
Subject: KUBRICK

Hi gang!

Chris wrote:
"  "Your Dictionary"'s bitter divorced-guy lyrics grate on me a
bit, they kind of break the
otherwise beatific mood of the album. "

I kind of agree.  I also agree with Dunks about the flippant way
some of us (myself I am ashamed to say included) have dismissed
some songs so flippantly.

I love anger and bitterness in music.  Music is there for
expression and when I am feeling angry or hateful or loving and
waw - (yeah alright!) I need to play music to reflect that and so
I would put on a song LIKE Your Dictionary when feeling upset or
hateful.  HOWEVER, the reason I said I did not like Your
Dictionary is that I don't particularly like songs with spell out
words.  Simple as that.  No analysis needed.  Doesn't do it for
me.  HOWEVER I love the MUSIC of it and I think Andy could have
afforded to have sounded angrier (like on the demo I think).  I
simply don't have the time or energy or mindset or power of
analysis after a day's work to work out the situation further.  I
also agree therefore that this particular song could have sounded
angrier with a harder musical edge  - (Anyone heard ANGER by
fIREHOSE? - a REMARKABLE piece of music and makes me feel better
everytime!)   - and more wild guitars and less lyrics on maybe
Peckham Rose - sorry - Apple Venus 2!

Having said all that - Your Dictionary is as it is and a lot of
work went into it and maybe he kept it in to get it over and done
with.  Fair enough.  Life goes on.

Can anyone tell me - when a Virgin XTC song is played on the
radio, do they still get SOME residuals?


Message-ID: <>
From: "Chris Crouch" <>
Subject: Right is left and left is right.
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:49:25 CST

>Assuming they're OK then is this some theatrical convention in that what
>appears to the audience to actually be the left hand side of the stage
>is actually referred to as Stage Right, i.e is it the right hand side of
>the stage from the _actors'_ perspective??? If this is the case then is
>the stereo image designed to mimic what the audience is "seeing" in the

Yes.  Stage left and stage right refer to the actors perspective and as
we are the audience in "Easter Theatre," stage left is on our right and
so forth. I'm pretty sure that's right, but was consistantly getting it
all wrong back in high school (all those 11 months ago...).

Perhaps someone more cultured than I can explain the references in the
"I'd be your Nelson if you'd be my Hamilton" line of "I'd Like That"?

chris in ames


Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:57:17 +0000
From: KT <>
Subject: I have meen converted!

okay, I appologise about saying I didn't like RoO...I like it it
now...corection, I LOVE IT! along with the rest of the album! infact I
haven't stopped listening to it other than for food sleep and school.
'I can't own her' is the only song thats ever made want to cry, my jaw
was on the floor as soon as I started it playing..^-^
I wonder if the other Kids at my school have got sick of me constantly
going around saying "Buy Apple Venus Volume One! Buy It NOW, It's bloody
oh yeah, theres one thing about the end of 'Frivolous Tonight'..does the
vibes chord bit remind anyone else of the stuff by 'Jellyfish'?
and is robbie williams cover of 'Making Plans for Nigel' on 'old befor I
die' any good?
KT Coope   "Run! Pink Virus! run for your lives!! AUUUGH!!!"


Message-ID: <002101be6c0f$a81043a0$28010101@dave>
From: "david robson" <>
Subject: Re: Apple Venus/+ a little more
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:36:49 +1100

you write...

>It's good to see the excitement over AV1 hasn't peaked yet. A couple
>digests back, someone mentioned that AV1 discussion had crossed internet
>lines into the Elvis Costello list. Today, I found that it had (quite
>favorably) leached into the Catherine Wheel list. Has anyone seen other
>inroads made anywhere?

*** I made exclusive reference to it on the Klaatu mailing list and have
heard some quite favourable comments and garnered a few sales. I mention it
to everyone at the moment though. People must be getting ready to call me
"Father XTC" in my semi-religious fervour....

Dave Robson


Message-ID: <>
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 01:04:17 +0000
Organization: Antidote Sound System
Subject: I surrender

This is the most miserable, anal, elitist bunch of shit ever ( I should
know, I am on the Beach boys list)
I would rather just listen my XTC CDs
stop my subscription NOW. Moderated lists are soooo boooring.
Bye Bye.


Message-Id: <>
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:24:23 +0900
From: nishimatu <>
Subject: "Chalkhill" in a Playstation game

 Here's a CG made for Isogai's "Seagulls Screaming" (Chalkhills Children '97).

 About a new game named "Devicereign" (Japanese Playstation/Saturn game).
 In the game, you'll see a "Chalkhill XTC" sign board in a battle scene
background of Shibuya Center Street.
 This game might be sold in Japan only, but if you have a chance to play
this game, enjoy. ;-)


Message-Id: <>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:23:08 -0500
From: David Oh <>
Subject: Re: AV1 (again!)

>Subject: Re: AV1 (again!)

>I caught my 12-year old son whistling "Easter Theatre" the other day!

i guess that it's better to catch him whistling "easter theatre" than to
catch him "oiling his glove"!

sorry, brian, but i just could resist! ;-)

peace & xtc,



Message-ID: <001801be6c36$c34586e0$47f3fdd0@g00g0>
From: "Gary Williams" <>
Subject: the sampling issue rages on...(Pt. 2)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 19:16:03 -0800

On Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:53:03 -0800 (PST), Tyler Hewitt wrote:

>The Debate continues...
>To answer Mr.Williams: Your comment was not directed at me, but I felt
>accused by association. For your information, I am a serious artist.
>Not intending to brag, but I have a Masters degree in Fine Arts from
>one of the highest ranked graduate art schools in the country. This of
>course does not make me a better artist, but does tend to validate my
>claim of being a 'serious artist'.  As for art being a primary source
>of income, I answer-does it matter? If someone uses a piece of
>something I made to create a new work, I am not really losing
>anything. I cannot believe that I would lose sales because someone
>borrowed something from me. Of course, I'm not getting paid for the
>bit they borrowed, but again, I wouldn't really expect to be.

Congratulations on your musical achievements.  With this in mind, I'm
certain you are as serious about your art as anyone could be.  However, I
was referring to (and admittedly not clearly so) to those individuals who
rely upon their craft as their primary source of income.  And to answer your
question (rhetorical or not), yes it most certainly does matter.  For every
successful songwriter, that is, a person who can make a comfortable living
composing either for themselves or on commission, there are thousands upon
thousands of struggling artists whose existence often depends on periodic
royalty payments from publishers and performing rights societies.  US and
international copyright law is clear: if someone borrows from or changes the
fundamental character of a protected work in order to create a new one, they
must first petition the original copyright owner for permission to do so.
It's not so much a question of losing sales (though this does happen), but
instead a matter of being appropriately credited and compensated for your
contribution to a derivative work (which all copyright laws provide for).

If you are fortunate enough to allow others to borrow indiscriminately from
your work in order for them to create new works that only they will benefit
financially from, that's your business.  But please do not suggest that
everyone else must also toe this proverbial line.

>Why avoid "misanthropes like Negativland"? Isn't everyone entitled to
>an opinion? Shouldn't the opinion of someone who has been directly
>affected by these issues be considered? I think one of the main
>arguments here is that those people who make and enforce these laws
>may not have practical experience in the creative process.  The
>members of Negativland may not be schooled in legalistic jargon, but
>that by no means negates their viewpoints.  I tend to trust my fellow
>artists over lawyers and others who have an ulterior motive in their

If I were an artist, I would not let the members of Negativland anywhere
near a court where I was contesting a copyright infringement case.  If you
want a serious education on these matters, go dig up a copy of Justice
Souter's opinion in the Acuff-Rose v. 2 Live Crew case.



Subject: Waxworks/Beeswax
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:39:36 +1100
Message-ID: <>

 Hi everyone,
This is my 1st post. My name is Pete, and I'm from Australia.
I was in a 2nd hand record shop in Melbourne recently, and I saw an
original copy of the Waxworks/Beeswax gatefold sleeve double lp. I have
both as seperate re-issues, but thought this might be rare & and of some
value, as it was only $12. Is this a good find, & should I go back and get
it? While on this subject, if anyone lives in/near Melbourne, the same shop
had 2 copies of Drums & Wires with bonus 7" , a copy of Black Sea with
original green bag, a ltd numbered double lp English Settlement , and a
copy of The Big Express in the round cover.
 One other question - Are there any plans for a video sequal to Look Look?


Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:08:39 -0500
Subject: Some stuff
Message-ID: <>

I just wanted to say that I like both the early and later XTC, well White
Music isn't one of my faves though.  I love the harmony and the great
Also, I just wanted to say that this list is one of the best mailing
lists I've been in.  If it wasn't for this list I wouldn't have gotten
Ian Stewart's great video, and I wouldn't have had gotten the video for
Grass either.  Also, I wouldn't have gotten the info on AV1.  And getting
an autographed copy of AV1 thanks to our great moderator.



Message-ID: <>
From: "* Hobbes *" <>
Subject: Dictionmary
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 21:08:32 PST

I'd dispute "I'm not so sure that Joey wed a virgin Mary" as being a
throwaway forced-rhyme line.  Andy's ex-wife *is* named Marianne after
all.  He's used the religious allegory in an intense, spiteful way.  The
giveaway is the contraction of "Joseph" to "Joey" - read Andy.  It
functions both as a way of saying he'd lost his childish naivity about
facts he'd taken for granted for years (ie. religion), and as a way of
saying his exwife was a yo-yo knickered hag bag at the same time.  All
this AND a rhyme for "dictionary"!  Way to go Andy!

Hypothetical question:  If Elvis Costello and Andy had been married,
who'd pen the nastier song about it?  ;-)


Message-ID: <>
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:23:44 +0100
Subject: Catching up

Hallo Kalkheuvelers!

I finally caught up reading the digests! That should teach me to take more
than a week off, away from my email! :(

I'm very happy with all the comments about AV1 (good AND bad). Some have
made me listen to tracks in a different way.  About why the orchoustic
album: I agree with Andy: when they realized they couldn't do a double
album it was better to split the songs mood-wise. And what better way to
come back than with such an extravagant sounding record? It's their way to
make a big nose to all the 'evil forces' that worked against them, to show
that they *can* pull it off on their own and do it the way they want it!
If they would have come back with the guitar-oriented stuff first people
wouldn't take that much attention (and probably use the Q word). But it's a
shame they lost Dave in the process :(

I don't think anyone mentioned the 'Strawberry fields' guitar (from the
fade-back-in at the end of that song) in the intro of 'Frivolous
Tonight'. I like that.

And Mark: bless you for the audio snippets on TLL! I know I said I could
wait those few weeks more but I'm glad those fragments were there in the
end :) When will we read part 2 of your Swindon report?

Oh, and browsing the Chalkhills archive I noticed the digest will have been
around for about 10 years when 'Easter Theatre' will be released! Anyone
notice that yet? :^) Congrats and THANKS John!

Finally, some dutch info: Jan Bletz mentioned AV1's review in Nieuwe Revu
in the last digest. However, he didn't mention that on the front big
letters say 'XTC Is Out', which had me thinking for a (short) moment that
they were glad that the album's finally in the shops. Of course, it was
about the drug :( The dutch magazine OOR also had a good AV1 review and has
the album in it's '11-tal' (11 current albums they give special
attention). And the best thing: the album has entered at 6 in the
'Moordlijst' (murderlist), which is a 'critics hitlist' :) If you'd like a
dutch (t)read, point your browsers to: and

Ahh, less than 10 days until spring! The sun is shining! Enter Easter! ;)



Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:32:58 +0100
From: Marco Arienti <>
Organization: FOTO LUCIANO ARIENTI snc
Subject: XTC intro

ciao a tutti
hi everybody on this list, I'm a new subscriber
and new to XTC too, my name is Marco and
I'm writing from Tuscany, Italy I was wondering
if any kind soul around the world could give
me some suggestions about XTC discography
or, better, trade with me some tapes, of course
I haven't XTC material to give you back but I
own a large collection of jazz, jazz-rock and a
lot of different kinds of music on cd's and tape,
so if you let me know your musical tastes we could
setup something, in any case anything will be
appreciate, thank you for the moment


Message-ID: <002c01be6c7c$3d618ba0$e4f032ca@speedking>
From: "Simon Curtiss" <>
Subject: THONG to the rescue
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 00:34:00 +1300

Still no sign of AV1 in Aotaeroa - bugger

oh yeah and Dom said
>I own at least two Bruce Springsteen records

HAH! and you have the cheek, earlier in your pontification, to criticise
Crowded House!  I've never seen anyone have a mid-life crisis at 26 before
- just you wait it gets a lot worse <smirk>

Dave Robson wrote
>Simon Curtiss wrote....
>>Who loves Nonsuch and can't believe people don't like Omnibus.
>Hi Simon!
>Well I am forced to agree with you

& Dan wote
>one other thing i'd like to toss out there: with the exception of one or
>two songs 'nonsuch' is one of my favorite albums of all time. when i go
>through my stacks and rediscover xtc (about every 3-4 months) 'nonsuch'
>is the album that gets played and fawned over the most. i wish 'smartest
>monkeys' had been shunted off to some scrapheap release like 'rag &
>bone..' and 'wardance' i often skip over, but every other song on the
>album is an emotional, artistic feast for me. i'm only saying this b/c i
>hear the album getting bashed alot and i see it in the bins for $6.95
>new, and it burns me up. i feel like the album is being overlooked by
>xtc fans the same way xtc is overlooked by people this world over.
>i welcome anyone's thoughts on the subject.

Well Dan & Dave  maybe we should form The Honorary Order of Nonsuch
Guardians (or THONG for short)
I bagsy be Captain Crocodile, Dave you can be SuperPumpkin and Dan you can
be our sidekick Robin I mean Rook (sorry but  you don't like two of the
songs.. how dare you).  We can have our secret hideout in the Bungalow
(who'd look there!), sod the batmobile we have the OMNIbus (look it's a
plane, look it's a car, look it does 2 miles to the litre - damn), as for
costumes well the group title says it all - spandex ones preferably. AND if
we ever need help (and I think it's safe to assume that I DO!) we can always
call GREENMAN etc etc.

What you don't wanna join! Oh well back to the drawing board

Captain Croco...           Simon

(walks off into the distance muttering to himself - "see I told you they
wouldn't listen - I said 'Simon' I said don't spend all your Son's pocket
money on that job lot of scarlet spandex thongs didn't I say that - do you
ever listen to yourself when I'm talking to me, etc. etc." exits stage left


Message-ID: <00af01be6d04$f475a500$687874cb@default>
From: "Kevin Mathews" <>
Subject: AV-1
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:45:24 -0800

At last, I picked up a copy of AVV1 from the local Tower store.
And...I have to say that it's a mild disappointment.
I really think that this LP should have been the Partridge solo that Dave
Gregory said it was. (I think David's leaving is going to have a major
Colin Moulding seems to have lost his way in the last seven years - the two
tracks sound like retreads of Bungalow off Nonsuch. And what has happened to
his voice? Where is the man who gave us Grass, Nigel and My Bird Performs
etc etc
Still it's a great half of an album with River of Orchids, I'd Like That,
Knights of Shining Karma, Green Man & Easter Theatre and I Can't Own Her
brilliant additions to the XTC canon.
That said, I can't help feeling that they should have taken the best of Vol
1 & 2 and put out a killer LP!
As a reference point, Vol 1 is a Mummer...

Kevin Mathews
Touched by the Power of Pop


Message-ID: <000901be6c85$fd5970e0$1700000a@andy-pii>
From: "Andy Miller" <>
Subject: Gentle Jesus, make it stop
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:43:54 -0000

From today's BBC news:

"British film The Full Monty is being turned into a stage musical in the US.
The adaptation of the hit film about male strippers in Sheffield is gearing
up for its debut at the Old Globe in San Diego next January.

Established playwright Terence McNally is writing the adaptation, and
newcomer David Yazbeck the music."

David, one question - is this show being produced by Zero Mostel and Gene
Wilder? You should check...

All best



From: (gARetH baBB)
Subject: Re: Partridge , Moulding , Badeill and Skinner !
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:33:53 GMT
Message-ID: <>
Organization: Gink

In message <>,
 (Peter Wright) wrote:

> can't control the urge to sing "Its coming Home , its coming home, its
> coming....footballs coming home "  !!!!!! Try it - you'll see what I
> mean.    Pete.

Yes, I vaguely see what you mean.

No I don't, even vaguely, get the urge to sing "It's coming home".


Message-ID: <>
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:17:48 -0500
From: Jefferson Ogata <>
Subject: Re: Dom's Pre-midlife crisis

Lawson Dominic <> spake so:
> Many of the songs on AV1 could quite conceivably be covered by all manner of
> ageing MOR shitbags; artists and bands for whom the days of sparkling
> creativity are long gone, their once proud talents a shabby and somewhat
> pathetic abyss of self-parody.

I just have one question, Dom: What does a shabby, pathetic abyss look

Jefferson Ogata.  smtp: <>
finger:  ICQ: 19569681  whois:


Message-ID: <000d01be6c93$6e559f50$f06dcec0@t24806009694.DOA.STATE.LA.US>
From: "John Voorhees" <>
Subject: Oh, yer gonna hate me for THIS one...
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:20:05 -0600

David-OH rote:

>>funny, to me, 'i can't own her' sounds a lot like thomas dolby, around the
time of 'the flat earth' album. some of the instrumental voicings &
arrangements remind me of mr. thomas morgan robertson dolby. anyone else
hear it, too?<<

I can kind of see where you're coming from, but to me it sounds like the
sweetest song that They Might Be Giants never wrote.  It's something in the
melody, something in the funky keyboard noise on the chorus...  If you
haven't heard TMBG's "Narrow Your Eyes" and "Pet Name", please don't bother
flaming me, just pretend I never said anything, OK?

John Voorhees


Message-ID: <>
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:44:26 EST
Subject: Greenman

Goodday to all.

I am new to this membership (for the past 3 weeks or so) and have enjoyed
reading your discussion amongst each other.  It is fascinating that you all
are so fired up about this band, as I am.

About Greenman, does anyone find a correlation or any connotation to the
Orangemen of Northern Ireland?  In the Churches and public spaces in
Ireland, they too hang their paintings of past Orangemen and Mayors high
above on the walls of their great halls.  Perhaps due to the tenure of
Greenman's love for humanity and we being the children of the Greenman
seems to strike a chord for me with the Orangemen of Ireland.  Of course,
Orangemen are Protestant.  So, from what religion would our Greenman be?

Am I way off?




Message-ID: <>
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:06:54 -0500
From: Todd and Jennifer Bernhardt <>
Subject: Re: Dave, Dave, and Dave Again


The High Priestess of Dave spoke thusly:

> And you'll find no shortage of AO slags off AP in her furious brain.
> <snip>
> Try telling that to that spoiled brat.

C'mon, Amanda -- you know in your heart of hearts that, as in any
relationship, both parties bear some responsibility in the breakup. You
taking that hard-line approach to Andy makes you as bad as your view of
him. Pot, kettle, black, all that.

Jim said of his Andy encounter:

> When he mentioned re-cutting the existing AV2 tracks,I asked(hopefully) if
> Prarie Prince would again be employed to which Andy replied that there's a
> good chance that DAVE MATTACKS will do the drumming

Hmmm, when I interviewed him last year about this, he told me that Prairie
Prince had already done the drumming for the songs that they planned to
put on the "electric" CD of the two-CD set they were going to do at that
point (this was before they decided, or money issues forced them, to
release the two volumes separately). Perhaps Dave M. will play on the new
songs Mitch has referred to?

And Andy, you bitch, you promised that _I'd_ be your next drummer.

And also from Jim:

> Does the "Pentium" jingle/arpeggio trigger "Vanishing Girl" in anyone
> else's mind?

It will now!


> If any of you are fortunate enough to own Bruford's mostly awesome
> "Feels Good to Me",do the rotating goose honks/violins at 2:15 in AV1's
> even-more-awesome "Easter Theatre"sound familiar?

I've got that, but can't think of the song you're referring to.

Nicole came up with:

>                 AMPLIFY.

Right on, girlfriend!

David in Houston rightly pointed out:

> I know everyone has been lamenting the loss of Dave Gregory on guitar, but
> what about Dave Gregory, master keyboardist? His keyboard work, especially
> from 1983 onwards, has been wonderful, and I don't think Andy or Colin is
> nearly as gifted in that area. Do you think they might bring someone else in
> (or, maybe, find a piano-playing producer)?

I think this is where computers will make their presence most known in the
band's future. You're right, Dave's a stunning and distinctive keyboard
player, and his contributions are obvious on Colin's AV1 songs, but he
mostly mimics Andy's parts on Andy's songs (part of the reason for Dave's
frustration, I'm sure). Because the computer can, to a degree, render
technique irrelevant, I think they'll just program the keyboard parts in
the future. That means they'll run the risk of losing the "feel," of
course, so maybe they will bring in someone. Hmmm, what keyboard-playing
friend did Andy recently write a song with?

Sheridan said:

> I hear the absolute
> grating, and frankly quite frightening, voices of people like Rob Zombie
> getting a ton of airplay and I wonder why this has become the more
> acceptable art. <snip>

> So here's my advice to all of us out there who appreciate beauty and
> good music: keep trying to spread the word of good music and good art to
> all.  Perhaps we can all change this scary trend!

I don't think it's scary. The problem Jill pointed out is that artists
seem to be rejecting beauty just because it's beautiful. She's not saying
(I think, and correct me if I'm wrong, Jill) that ugliness doesn't have
its place in art. It does. People are ugly and do ugly things. Emotions
can be ugly. Some of my favorite music and art is ugly because it reflects
that and is thus true and pure in its depiction of its subject and its
communication about it.

Finally, in a hilarious post, Dom admits

> I'm getting old. <snip>Even though there are countless reasons why
> XTC are so much more intriguing, exciting and rewarding to listen to than
> any ostensibly mainstream or "adult" artist (and I'm hovering above the
> Sting/Phil Collins/Rod Stewart ballpark here),

Jesus. I hope you're holding your nose. The stench must be overpowering.

> but the urge to get into jazz is becoming overwhelming

Hey man, if you want to bang your head, there's some great jazz out there
you can do it to. Great, honkin dissonances; driving, swinging rhythms;
musical titans doing battle. Check it out.

> I own at least two Bruce Springsteen records

To mimic the bully kid on The Simpsons, "Hah Hah!!" Oh, you never should
have admitted that one.

> and I feel more at home discussing XTC with a bunch of middle-aged Americans
> than I do at Metal gigs and I'm only twenty fucking six and IT'S NOT BASTARD
> FAIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't worry. To quote your favorite band (why, Crowded House, of course),
"It's only natural." The ability to appreciate a good tune doesn't mean
you're an aging sellout. It just means you're maturing in your
tastes. Don't worry, there's plenty of melodic music out there that still
kicks you in the teeth, and there always has been -- for example, throw
some Mussorsky (or Beethoven, or Stravinsky, or...) on the ol'
Victrola. You'll see. There's good in every genre, just as there's bad.
The secret is knowing the difference, and as an XTC fan you (and most of
us) are well on your way. Remember, the more you love music, the more
music you love.

--Todd "39 is NOT middle aged!" Bernhardt


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