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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 5, Number 110

                   Monday, 1 March 1999

Today's Topics:

           I got it, and listening party times
             Reviews, reactions, and replies
                Wire, AV and unknown songs
   Cooking Vinyl and TVT efforts to promote Apple Venus
               Andy a no show on Much Music
                       How dare him
                          Boston
                     AV1 (what else?)
                      R.Stone review
                Meeting The Lads in NYC...
            a request for you San Franciscans
                    Making New Friends
                      Oh, Happy Day!
                     Japanese lyrics
          Don't Forget Jason Falkner's New One!
                  Man Bites Partridge??
                      MP3 Thanks...
                 The BAD thing about AV-1
                 My brush with Greatness
     Andy on XRT (Chicago) next week and other stuff
                       Oh. My. God.
           moved to tears...God bless you all!
       The song formerly known as Prince of Orange

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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:22:34 -0500
Subject: I got it, and listening party times
Message-ID: <19990226.132701.2678.5.MollyFa@juno.com>
From: Molly E Fanton <mollyfa@juno.com>

I just got my copy of AV1, and I'm listening to Your Dictionary.  This
album is so great.  I myself LOVE River of Orchids, but to each his/her
own.  Does Colin sound a little more throaty, or is it just me?  I think
this album is going to be #2 after Skylarking.  I'm not kidding, but
that's just my opinion.  I'll give my review of it after I've heard it a
few more times.  I know I'm going to drive my neighbors crazy, but who
cares.
Okay, I was wondering what would be a good time to have a AV1 listening
party.  I want to accomidate everybody.  I was thinking sometime next
week, but not on Thursday at 7, because I'll be at the XTC chat on AOL,
and Wednesday, I'm in a chat about Whose Line discussing the show.  But I
can always miss that day.  So let me know what would be good for you.
Thanks.  Oh the listening parties are on AOL and IRC.   I'll post the
times on my web site and the details when I get a time in mind.
That's all for now.

Molly

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Message-Id: <s6d6a4b9.032@chemonics.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:39:33 -0500
From: Todd Bernhardt <tbernhardt@chemonics.com>
Subject: Reviews, reactions, and replies

Hi Chalkbuddies:

David Friel <davidjf@sirius.com> said:
>Personally, I think the songs on the '95 demo tape were in their most
pristine, perfect form and shouldn't have been tinkered with.<

The only one where I think they came up short is on "Your Dictionary,"
which IMO lost its anger and pain during the transition from the demo
to the album. But otherwise I think they improved on all counts, esp.
on "I Can't Own Her" and "The Last Balloon."

and:
>I invite all comments and ridicule.<

Comments, yes, ridicule, no. You're entitled to your opinion, even if
it _is_ wrong.  ;^)

and:
>P.S.  I find the melodrama on Chalkhills regarding AV1 quite hilarious.
Did someone actually say he/she cried when he/she first listened to it?<

Aw, c'mon Dave, we're _sensitive._  *sniff*

>From Janis:
>Wiccans and other pagans on Chalkhills will no doubt recognize this phrase
on the back cover of Apple Venus 1 as the Wiccan Rede.  "Eight words the
Wiccan Rede fulfill: If it harm none, do as you will".  I stared at the
back of the CD for a long time this afternoon as I sat in the car outside
the record shop.  It was so fitting, so perfect, to see those words there.<

I agree -- wonderful sentiment. Catherine S. also pointed this out,
and said it was one of three pagan "rules" or guidelines. What are the
other two?

and:
>This goes WAY beyond make- out music -- I believe they're the sexiest
songs I'll ever hear in my life.<

You're right there -- Harrison Sherwood and I were talking about the
album the other day, and he (correctly, IMO) pointed out that this is
XTC's first "concept" album since Skylarking. So, what say, kids? What
are your opinions about the concept and the reason for the song-order?
Find the hidden concept, win valuable prizes!

Rick said:
>Still waiting on my copy of AV1 to arrive - I preordered it, and now I'm
waiting for it in the mail while it sits in the stores.  What an idiot!
What was I thinking?<

Well, if you're like me, you were thinking, "I'm a cheap bastard and
I'm willing to wait in return for $10 off from MusicBoulevard.com."

Molly said:
>I'm sorry for the other posts I've been writing about not seeing
Andy.  I just noticed I sounded a bit desperate.  I'm so sorry.<

Don't worry about it, dearie, you weren't the only one. You should
have seen me sending out desperate messages trying to figure out if
they were doing a signing in Philly or DC. Desperate times call for
desperate measures.

Mike Myers rightly said:
>Before I close, I suggest that you listen closely to Colin's bass playing
on "Greenman".  It is fantastic.  I don't mean to get into another long
debate over the best bass players in the world, but this piece reveals his
technique to be tasty and melodic.<

Man, ain't _that_ the truth! His playing (and the phat double-bass
sound) on "The Last Balloon" also gets my panties all moist, to
paraphrase Mr. Lawson. His playing is stunning throughout, and has
been one of the nicest parts for me of hearing the finished album vs.
the demos.

But Jason said:
>3) Some of the songs I didn't really care for before are growing on me
now, like "I'd Like That".  Always thought that was a bit of fluff, but in
the context of the album it's a bit of fluff that makes sense as the second
song.  The ending of the demo was better though.  I like the high harmonies
he did in the demo at the end, the "iiiiiiiiii'd liiiiiiiike
thaaaaaaaaat..."  (and the bass playing was better !)<

I know what you're saying, and I agree w/your other points, but I just
hear those parts as _different_, not one as better than the other.
Colin plays some tasty shit on the album, but does it with his fingers
and approaches it as a bassist would, while Andy's fast bass part at
the end of the demo is played with a pick (so it sounds cleaner and
more defined) and strikes me more as a guitar player playing a bass
part. I also love hearing Colin sing the "What would you like?"
background vocal.

Jon Holden-Dye pointed out our hiphopcrisy:
>So, I've lost count of the number of you who seem to have had your first
listen whilst driving away from the wrecka stow. Presumably, y'all started
with Track 1 (ROO) ? (Big Cheesy Grin, BTW.)<

Dude, I tried listening to it while pushing my car, but I couldn't
hear the music over the sound of my own blood pounding in my ears
(and, of course, over the sound of my uncontrolled weeping...)

--Todd

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Message-ID: <001601be61c4$638fb800$ba1017d4@default>
From: "Stephen Jackson" <smj@zen.co.uk>
Subject: Wire, AV and unknown songs
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 19:57:33 -0000

Jason Garcia wrote

<My response was an enthusiastic, "Thanks!!"  Upon finding that
THIS was XTC's new album, he added, "how the mighty fall hard."  Ouch.
Of course, this was the guy who chastised me for being a big R.E.M. fan
and not owning a single Wire album, >

Well your flatmate may be wrong about AV1 but he is certainly right for
about you not owning any Wire...There '79 single "Map Reference" is amongst
the most divine songs I have ever heard.

With respect to AV1, I was pleasantly surprised. It's a much more
*consistently* good record than either Nonesuch or O&L, and "Greenman" is
brilliant, but, that said, there is nothing on the record that is as good as
say "Crocodile" or "One of the Millions". As I write this, I wonder if such
comparisons are fair, as this album was never to be a 'traditional' guitar
affair. I'm surprised at the positive reaction to Colin's songs, as I think
they are the weakest songs on the record, which is particularly sad as I
regard "One of the Millions" to be the best song on O&L and "My Bird
Performs" a highlight on Nonesuch.....I'll keep listening. BTW, "River of
Orchids" is fantastic as is "Easter Theatre."

On a different note, reading through the unreleased demos section in
theChalkhills archives, I remembered a tape of Nonesuch demos from one of
the old Conventions. There's a song by Colin, that goes on about a "car out
of control" and a "man out of control". I could find no reference to this
song anywhere. What is it? I really like it.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Two steps forward, six steps back.

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Message-Id: <199902261500.PAA001.56@GATEWAY.TIRERACK.COM>
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:53:02 -0600
Subject: Cooking Vinyl and TVT efforts to promote Apple Venus
From: "William Loring" <bloring@tirerack.com>

I'd just like to thank CV & TVT for the efforts they're making to promote
Apple Venus. There certainly has been more publicity for this release than
any I remember with Virgin. The excitement level appears to be quite high.

I just went to the Chicago Borders signing, and thought they did a very
nice job. Many thanks to TVT and Borders for setting that up. The Q&A
session was _great_! Andy said he was quite nervous, but it was obvious
that after a few minutes he was having quite a bit of fun, and really
didn't want to stop.  This despite the Borders people trying to get him to
get started on the signing.

Andy looked great, even though he claimed to be getting about 5 hours of
sleep per night during the tour. He was friendly, and _very_ funny. I've
read the transcripts of other interviews, and I never thought his humor
translated well to the page. However, in person he is absolutely hilarious.

My only quibble with the Borders event was with how they handled the
transition from the Q&A to the signing. Their method really didn't seem
fair to those who had gotten there early. I didn't leave the joint until
11:15pm, which is 15 minutes after they close. There were about 300 people
there, and I was 275 in the line. Aarrgh. But hey, I got quality time with
a bunch of previously unmet XTC fans. There are certainly worse ways to
spend your time.

An observation: I meant to bring this up to Andy, but when the time came I
was too rushed by the tired Borders staff... I thought there were an
amazing number of fans with goatees. You know, the little circular
moustache & beard combo-deals. It seemed like about 45% of the males there
had them. I didn't get a count on the females. So, to be a true XTC fan, do
I need to start growning some facial hair? I've always been a bit
"challenged" in this department, so I'm not sure if I can pull it off
convincingly.

Another thing I thought of while standing in line: They had laid down this
piece of yellow tape on the floor, which was where the line was supposed to
go. It wound all around the perimiter of the 3rd floor of the store. I felt
a little like Dorothy (or perhaps the Cowardly Lion). Here we all were,
following the yellow tape road, on the way to meet the Wizard of Oz. I'm
not sure I came away with any more courage, but it was a nice trip anyway.

Thanks Andy, Colin, CV, TVT, & Borders!!!!

William (I don't think I'm in Kansas anymore) Loring

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Message-ID: <EB3FE924F73DD11187E400805FEA8E81010A679B@bcbcmail.bcbc.bc.ca>
From: "Macdonald, Robert " <RMacdonald@bcbc.bc.ca>
Subject: Andy a no show on Much Music
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:52:50 -0800

	Andy was supposed to be appearing on Much Music about half an hour
ago but it appears as if he was a no show?

	A screen came up saying XTC in Studio Next on Much Music...then they
cut to a commercial break.

	After the commercial they played the video for Making Plans for
Nigel, then they cut to the VJ who said that the appearance of Andy
Partridge was cancelled.  Then he asked the director/producer (whoever off
camera) if it was going to be re-scheduled and they said no.
	Then he held up a copy of Apple Venus and said that XTC had a new
disc out and if you were fans of the band then you should head out and buy
it.
	Cut to New Radicals video.

	That was it.  It struck me that the VJ was caught off guard that the
interview didn't happen?
	Who knows what did happen?

	Ah well.  I had the tape rolling and everything.

	Rob (who loves Harvest Festival and who had Fruit Nut stuck in his
head earlier today.)

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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 14:32:59 -0500
Subject: How dare him
Message-ID: <19990226.143545.2710.0.MollyFa@juno.com>
From: Molly E Fanton <mollyfa@juno.com>

I was watching MuchMusicUSA today, and I was waiting for Andy to be
interviewed, but the man canceled.  I was anticipating it, since I won't
be getting any near them.  I was thinking maybe he and Colin got caught
in that snowstorm on the East Coast.  But I was postponed doing my
laundry to watch it.
At least I got to tape Making Plans for Nigel.  That video is funny.
Colin is way off sync.  And I have no idea what Andy was doing in it.  I
was laughing my butt off watching it though.  Well, I can add this to my
XTC videos I have now.

Molly

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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 15:17:02 -0500 (EST)
From: Brian Whitman <bwhitman@WPI.EDU>
Subject: Boston
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.9902261509011.17782-100000@wpi.WPI.EDU>

I met Andy Partridge. I shook his hand. I said, "I like your music." I
asked him if the AV2 would sound like G02. He said no. I listened to the
new Jason Falkner CD while waiting on line, and I wasn't nervous until I
was at the head of it, and I realized, heck, wihtout this one guy sitting
here, there'd be no Sugarplastic, Eric Matthews, or Jason Falkner, and
what would I do with myself? (Of course, there probably would be these
musicians, but they'd be much different.) Then I went up there and just
babbled and drooled. Oh well.

AV1 is wonderful. Stage right...

Brian Whitman - bwhitman@wpi.edu
http://www.netspace.org/users/bwhitman
crudites: http://www.crudites.org

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From: ElizaS33@aol.com
Message-ID: <8eec548b.36d7035d@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 15:26:05 EST
Subject: AV1 (what else?)

Being an employee of a record store, and being scheduled to work on 2/23,
was a very happy experience. "Yay! Almost time to go to work!" How often
does THAT happen?

Excitement compounded when I arrive to see multiple copies of AV1 stacked
on the prestigious "Now Playing" feature. My store rocks. Ironic moment
comes later when I have to turn it off and put on another CD because I
can't possibly do my job while hearing the new XTC for the first time. I
listen to it all night, so I'm prepared to hear it at work the next day.

What a gorgeous-sounding creation it is. There's not a song I don't like
(and usually one or more of Colin's takes that honor for me, sad to
say). And the cover is beautiful; incredibly striking on the display unit.

I hadn't heard the demos (not by an active boycott; I just... well, didn't)
so it was a whole new thing for me. Easter Theater is far and away my
favorite track at this moment. I was also surprised (based on advance
notices) how much I like Your Dictionary. On the first listen, I found it
intensely personal to the point of discomfort; once I got past that, I was
just awed. On about the tenth spin, it occurred to me that the intensity of
the lyric is accentuated by the abstract, esoteric nature of the lyrics of
many of the surrounding tracks.

Which, if I had a complaint about the album, would be it; I've always been
a huge fan of Andy's ability to write incredibly precise lyrics that
perfectly capture a situation, and there aren't many of those songs on here
(or maybe there are, and I just haven't realized it because of the absent
lyric sheet?).  But the whole thing is so damn beautiful that doesn't
distract me much.

Don't know if anyone has any insight on this, but my man, who's an
arranger/conductor, was struck by the percussive usseveral small black
communities in North Carolina, and that he's been looking for recordings of
music in this tradition ever since (unsuccessfully). Any possibility that
that's the inspiration here, or is it merely a coincidence?

Question for the person who found it "hilarious" that people cried upon
hearing this album: did you find it odd that *music* would make someone
cry, or just this album in particular? I laugh and cry and have other
varied emotional responses to music all the time; that's, um, kind of why I
listen to it.

And on a totally unrelated topic, my friend and hero Andy Prieboy's musical
about the 1980s music industry, White Trash Wins Lotto!, will be featured
at the Aspen Comedy Festival next week, and I understand parts of it will
be televised on HBO. Keep an eye out for it; anyone who has ever resented
the music industry on his/her own behalf or that of another (which I assume
includes most XTC fans) will find it hilarious and cathartic.

Elizabeth
The Gallery of Indispensable Pop Music
homepages.infoseek.com/~popgallery
www.frigidisk.com \ the coolest cds on the Internet

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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:30:00 -0800 (PST)
Message-Id: <199902262030.MAA12581@mail2.deltanet.com>
From: DCB-MBB <mb2@deltanet.com>
Subject: R.Stone review

hi everyone!

If this has been mentioned/pardon me--  there is a short review of AV1 in
Rolling Stone mag (issue 808, page 66)...they gave it 3 1/2 stars (out of
5)...don't know if i agree or not...STILL have not received my copy..bloody
postal service... (more grumbling heard off camera)....
oh, and in digest 5-104, someone asked what the difference was between the
terms, anal and rectal... the rectum is the distal portion of the large
intestine... it ends at the anus, which is the actual orifice.... -al means
pertaining to...

later,
Debora Brown

STILL WAITING FOR MINE--

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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 16:19:55 -0500
From: Dorothy Spirito <spiritod@techmail.gdc.com>
Subject: Meeting The Lads in NYC...
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.00.9902251329530.618-100000@esun2028>

Your indulgence while I regurgitate my excitement onlist:

How encouraging to see the large turnout!  We were standing behind a guy
who seemed to be an autograph hound rather than a devotee -- he
apparently comes to signings at Tower Records often --, and he remarked
that the turnout was larger than he'd seen for many "big name" acts.

As you've heard, it was very cold outside.  I was clenching my toes and
rapping my knuckles together to keep digits from becoming frostbitten.
I'd do it again, you bet -- but I'd wear arctic glove/sock liners!

Colin and Andy were *very* nice.  Their gracious behavior was much
appreciated.  This is an experience I will treasure always, along with the
autographed mementoes and the photograph.

And that's all I'm going to say about meeting them! <g>

The following day, I combed used record & CD shops in East Village and
Greenwich Village, and came up with the Carmen Sandiego CD (for those who
don't know, it was produced by David Yazbek and contains XTC's "Cherry in
Your Tree"), the "Wait Till Your Boat Goes Down" b/w "Ten Feet Tall"
single, and the "Dear God" b/w "Mermaid Smiled" single.

--Dorothy.
("Color me happy!")

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Message-ID: <19990226212254.4151.qmail@hotmail.com>
From: "Jason Garcia" <hhname@hotmail.com>
Subject: a request for you San Franciscans
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:22:54 PST

HEY CHALKHILLS!

Will someone in San Francisco, Mr. Relph perhaps, say "hi" to Andy for
me when he comes to the Virgin Megastore?  Ah, I remember that store- I
was standing in it almost a year and a half ago.  Tell him the guy who
did "Dame Fortune" says hi!  I'd like that!

Thanks,
Jason Garcia
of TOP 40 non-fame
http://www.angelfire.com/tx/top40

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Message-Id: <199902262147.QAA28389@mail.bna.bellsouth.net>
From: "RoadKill" <csberry@mail.bna.bellsouth.net>
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 15:53:30 +0000
Subject: Making New Friends

XTC Content:
	AV1 has proven to me to be a fantastic album!  I have had it playing
nearly nonstop since I bought it (home, car, Discman while walking).
I wish it was a bit more durable so I could just carry it with me in
my wallet.

ROO - Somewhere I got the impression that it was going to start out
more like a small brook instead of the leaky faucet dripping that it
has - but it seems to work with the staccato beginning.

I'd Like That - it's being added to the music playing during my
wedding reception in a couple of weeks.

ET - final version seems to be sung from the clouds.

KinSK - this will definately be used as a lullaby for my children.

Frivolous Tonight and Fruit Nut - I didn't have either of these songs
on my copy of the demos.  They certainly seem like a Beatles and
Beach Boys collaborations.  On first listen they seemed severely
sugary.  FruitNut is growing on me.  I'm beginning to see a certain
charm w/ Frivolous Tonight.

Greenman - If the end didn't seem as repetitious, I might call it the
best song.

Your Dictionary - like it better than demo's but I still slightly
squirm when I hear the end.

I Can't Own Her - Best Song on the Album

Harvest Festival - I like the chronological relationship between ET
and HF on the album.  I don't think I'd like HF as much if that
wasn't so.

The Last Balloon - sweet song, but it always puts me to sleep.

Non-XTC Content:
	Can I get the attention of those of you that live in,
near, or travel through: Chicago; Columbus, OH; Boston; Denver;
Portland, OR; Philadelphia; or Minn/St.Paul?  My wife (to be in 2
weeks) is applying to some graduate schools around the northern US
since there isn't one here in Nashville that has her field.  Please
email me privately call letters to some of the radio stations in
these towns in which you enjoy listening or are of good quality.  I
thought it might be nice to find a job at a station in which I would
enjoy working.  Send your suggestions to csberry@bellsouth.net or
roadkill@997wtn.com whenever you can.

Thank You

Cory

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Message-Id: <v03007800b2fb3ed540d1@[137.186.208.142]>
From: Erich Walther <enrico@fox.nstn.ca>
Subject: Oh, Happy Day!
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 17:49:57 -0500

AV1 has arrived in Ottawa, but you have to search a bit. The box stores
won't have it for another week, but CD-Warehouse had a copy (sorry, it's
MINE), and by the cash it's highlighted on the new release list, so there
may be a few more tucked away.

I can't get to Toronto for the sign-fest but I'm hoping they'll do a
MuchMusic interview Friday or Saturday morning, and my daughter's
volunteered to go down and stand in line with my Chalkhills shirt on and my
vinyl offerings if I pay the train fare; anybody up here heading that way???

I'm not going to jump into the track by track vivissection (sic) of what's
become my domestic wallpaper, but what stands out to me are Colin's
beautiful bass lines, improving the demos, augmenting the strings.

Back to the headphones, back to the River - I'd like that!!

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From: fheaney@erols.com
Message-Id: <199902262306.SAA00924@smtp1.erols.com>
Subject: Japanese lyrics
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 17:57:31 -0500

Mark wrote:
> BTW: i have just uploaded the new, improved and corrected version of
> the Apple Venus lyrics to my site. Thanks to John B. for supplying us
> all with the Japanese cd that _does_ include the lyrics.
> And lots of lovely pictures too!

Well, I don't know if you want to trust Japanese CD lyrics...they
apparently include lyrics with everything over there, and if the musicians
didn't send them the lyrics, they'll just print their best guess.  I hear
their rendition of Cocteau Twins lyrics are particularly amusing.

-- Francis Heaney

"I'm okay, I feel good; why do I swim in blood?"
   -- Stereolab

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From: WWi8064839@aol.com
Message-ID: <723ebb47.36d72e4d@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 18:29:17 EST
Subject: Don't Forget Jason Falkner's New One!

There, I said it.

I know, I know, lots of exciting XTC news, BUT -
Jason Falkner's name's been bandied about on this list, SO -
(why am I writing this way, anyway...?)

Probably because I've got "Can You Still Feel?", Jason's second solo album
since 1995's "Presents Author Unknown."

I've got it. I like it. I like it a lot.

There's the straightforward crunch pop of "Author Unknown," the
Costello-ish (circa 1979) "Holiday", the dreamlike "See You Again," the
catchy riff in "My Lucky Day," the snarling "I Already Know," the
cascading, dissonant vocals and chords in "Honey."

Falkner displays a Nick Lowe-like knowledge of pop music's jingles,
jangles, nooks, and crannies. He takes apart pop's conventions and then
glues them together in pleasing compositions.

And, he's American to boot! Finally, we Yanks have a savvy pop hero the
like of Andy and Elvis Costello, who's not doing the grunge-by-numbers
thing or or (c)rap and hip-hop.

Wes Wilson

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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 18:37:56 -0500
From: Steve Pitts <Steve_Pitts@compuserve.com>
Subject: Man Bites Partridge??
Message-ID: <199902261838_MC2-6C05-E897@compuserve.com>

Chalkfolks,

In 5-101 Leslie retorted:

> I gotta go get a towel for this puke now <

<LOL> How refreshing to see a humourous reply rather than a reactionary
flame. I can't help feeling that such a low-key response is more likely to
achieve a positive result than some manic rant.

In 5-102 Harold Grey asked:

> Anyone know if the lyrics will be posted on the TVT site?  <

You can find them on the Chalkhills website (www.chalkhills.org). I too was
disappointed not to get a booklet with the lyrics, but in the grand scheme
of things I guess I'll learn to live without it :))

(Cooking Vinyl peeps, if you are reading this and FWIW) I for one would
happily pay a couple of quid for just such a booklet to slide into the
jewel case. Any chance??

John Voorhees revealed:

> There is a copy of the 1913 Webster Dictionary online, lest anyone think
the use of "impact" as a verb is somehow a new Madison Avenue type deal <

OK, we'll just have to agree to disagree and accept this as one of those
'two nations divided by a common language' things. FWIW it ain't in any of
my English dictionaries (paper or electronic), so I guess this counts as an
Americanism

Leslie noted:

> They are displaying the AV1 cover sideways, by the way, turned one notch
clockwise.... when did all these online retailers become so coy? <

The way they show it (which is one notch counter-clockwise IMO) is the way
it is oriented if you hold the CD 'normally', so they aren't being coy at
all

Ben Gott wondered:

> Do we think we could reserve the "bashing" until we've heard the album a
few times? <

Why?? Surely initial impressions are just as valid as any other reaction to
the new album, especially if they are presented as such?? I've seen
numerous comments here about particular XTC albums taking some time to sink
into people's consciousnesses, and this one may well be no different. That
doesn't invalidate the feelings on first hearing, nor does it preclude
anyone from posting them. Besides, who decides how many 'listens' are
enough before negative comments can be posted??

For instance, I am still not sold on 'River Of Orchids', despite having
listened to the whole album at least a dozen times. Others seem to feel it
is a masterpiece, but my (relatively short) time on this list (and others
for other musos) suggests that such disparity of opionion is the norm
rather than the exception. We all react differently to 'art', and just
because the list consists of XTC 'fans' doesn't mean that we are going to
concur on anything much

and then quoted AP as saying:

> I'm destroyed by that! <

Aw come on! I am not so precious as to believe that my opinions, expressed
here or via any other means, make any real difference to Mr. Partridge, nor
do I believe that he and Colin are so precious as to take any of this
personally. If you perform your art in public then you have to take the
brickbats with the plaudits, and we should not feel constrained from
dishing out either praise or opprobrium just because Andy and Colin might
be 'listening'

In 5-104 Harrison stated:

> That should be "High Church," capitalized, don't you think? <

Depends (and I'd lean towwards no, personally). It seems more likely to me
that the lyric refers to a 'high' (as in tall) 'church wall' as opposed to
the wall of a 'High Church' (which is not a logical concept, since 'High
Church' refers to a faction within the C of E rather than to a place of
worship)

and quoted from elsewhere:

> John Barleycorn - celebrated in song - shows the same themes of death and
rebirth <

and indeed beer!! <g>

> Somebody was mentioning Jethro Tull...? <

Funnily enough my first thought was to Roy Harper rather than to Tull. 'Sir
John Barleycorn' gets a mention on last year's RH album 'thedreamsociety',
and indeed Roy has dealt with such subjects more frequently (and more
consistently, over a longer period of time) than Ian Anderson, who seemed
to me to simply go through a 'green' phase in the late 70s ('Heavy Horses',
'Songs From The Wood', etc.)

> what's the difference between "anal" and "rectal"? <

Oh, come on, you're just buggering about now

;)

Cheers, Steve

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Message-Id: <s6d6cbac.024@tcwgroup.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 16:27:58 -0800
From: "Dane Pereslete" <peresd@tcwgroup.com>
Subject: MP3 Thanks...

Since no one has mentioned this...
Heartfelt gratitude goes out to Cooking Vinyl for providing the
source files, and especially to Mark Strijbos for the exper-
tise in presenting the vastly superior MP3 versions of the
AV1 previews!!!!

I enjoyed every one of them...please keep up the excellent work!

*-------------------------------------------------------
Logging in from beautiful Glendale, CA  USA
"Hurry up Andy & Colin!!"
daneperes@aol.com  -or-  bramage64@aol.com

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Message-Id: <s6d6fd8b.001@OAG.STATE.TX.US>
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 14:59:28 -0600
From: "Steve Oleson" <Steve.Oleson@OAG.STATE.TX.US>
Subject: The BAD thing about AV-1

The unfortunate thing about Apple Venus vol. 1 is that it makes even more
clear, how shallow, amateurish, and dull, most efforts by other recording
"artists" are. Bummer, guess I'll have to listen to it again! :-)
Steve Oleson
Austin, TX

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Message-ID: <19990227025906.29771.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 18:59:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Cheryl <cxtc@rocketmail.com>
Subject: My brush with Greatness

Hey there chalkpeople!

I have no idea how many times I have listen to the
new album since I purchased it after work on the
23rd.  Many times...

What a thrill it was to actually tell Andy Partridge
how much XTC's music meant to me.  It was such an
honour!  Waiting on line to meet him passed swiftly
chatting to other fellow fans.  By the way it was a
pleasure to meet you Jennifer!  I hope to meet up
with you again.  And it was great seeing both Dave
and David
once again.  Thanks for making a great night out even
more pleasureable. : )

My meeting was on par for what everyone has
experienced.  I am so shy that I thought I would
desolve into a big puddle of blush when my turn came.
 I nearly did, but managed to walk away from the
table still standing and autographs in hand.

Oh AV1,  how I love thee!  I am utterly in love with
this album.  I feel stupidly happy(as my good friend
Todd B. described) each time I listen.

For me, I can't say that listening to the demos
affect me in a bad way.  On my first listening to the
actual album, I felt as if the songs suddenly lept
into 3-D.  Like looking at a black and white photo of
a loved one for years only to turn around and have
the actual person standing in front of you.  Nothing
can compare! I am throughly enchanted with these songs.

I love how the anticipation builds for me listening
to the beginning of "River Of Orchids".  The single
drop of water to the song finally piecing it's self
together.  *sigh*  Brilliant!

It amazes me how well both Mr.P and Colin manage to
catch a feeling of pure joy in songs like "I'd Like
That" and "Frivolous Tonight".  That is a feeling
that is so hard to come by in life.

I suppose that is enough gushing for now.

Walking on clouds,
Cheryl

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From: joel@kenlaw.com (Joel Flaxman)
Message-Id: <9902262112.ZM645@custer>
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 21:12:02 -0600
Subject: Andy on XRT (Chicago) next week and other stuff

-Andy will be on XRT's Sound Opinions (a surprisingly cool show) next week.
The show is on Tuesday's from 10-12 pm.  Chicagoans, check it out.  This
week they reviewed AV1 and said that it was pretty good, but that Andy has
to much freedom.

-Andy at Borders in Chicago was the greatest!  He answered a few questions.
I can't believe how witty and clever he is.  He complained a couple of
times about being nervous.  Has Andy ever sought help (e.g. a psychologist)
about his stagefright?  When he signed my record cover of skylarking (he
drew flippers on the woman) he first wrote Sean, which was the name of the
guy in front of me.  He realized his mistake and was very embarrassed.  I
assured him it was alright.  He also told me that Fruit Nut was not about
him, aparently all Englishmen have sheds.  I was very impressed with how
nice and outgoing he seemed.  The guy who had his CD signed after me told
me that Andy was still embarrassed about signing the wrong name.  Wow.

-AV1 is damn good (best since Skylarking).  Does anyone else hear the first
note of River of Orchids and think that they are about the hear Lou Reed's
Walk on the Wild Side?  Also, the guitar on Knights in Shining Karma
reminds me of some REM song (maybe Man on the Moon?).  I agree with whoever
said that the lyrics to Your Dictionary are a little tired.  It's so mean
and obvious.  Overall this CD is wonderful.

-Having had the demos for about two or three years I am having no problems
loving the actual recording.  I miss a few tracks, but I don't enjoy
anything less than the demo version.

Joel "what a long post I made" Flaxman

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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 21:41:46 -0600 (CST)
From: Marshall Joseph Armintor <mojo@is.rice.edu>
Subject: Oh. My. God.
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.990226213146.18095A-100000@is.rice.edu>

   AV1 arrived in my mailbox today, and like most of you, I'm a bug in
brandy in a big bronze cup.  "River of Orchids" is utterly heart-stopping,
"Easter Theatre" puts a lump in my throat like "Dear God" never could, and
"Harvest Festival" is heart-breakingly gorgeous.
   I think it's incredibly ballsy for XTC to do this record at this
time...or any other time.  There isn't a great deal of continuity
between this record and anything else they've done -- there's no way of
saying this without being stupid and pretentious, but XTC have moved into
a phase where they've shed their old artistic selves and done something
unexpected, oddly personal, sometimes cryptic, and strangely affecting...
and I somewhat doubt they'll ever do something else like this again.
Actually, it brings _Mummer_ to mind...

    marshall

np AV1

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From: weslong@usa.net
Message-ID: <19990227040145.14173.qmail@www01.netaddress.usa.net>
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 04:01:45
Subject: moved to tears...God bless you all!

David Friel <davidjf@sirius.com> wrote:
> I find the melodrama on Chalkhills regarding AV1 quite hilarious.
> Did someone actually say he/she cried when he/she first listened to it?

I'm not the he/she that said he/she cried when he/she first listened to
AV1, but I must tell you that there are people in this world who are
capable of being so moved by a piece of music that they actually shed
tears.....hard to believe?  I've done it many times.  I'm actually sorry
that you haven't experienced this yourself...it's an amazing feeling.

Suddenly I'm feeling soft and pretty like the delicate petals of a
flower..........will someone please hold me?

Wes

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Message-Id: <199902270409.UAA21150@hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 22:08:29 -0600
Subject: The song formerly known as Prince of Orange
From: "Bob O'Bannon" <batchain@earthlink.net>

Forgive me if I'm bringing up a dead thread, but whatever happened to the
song, "Prince of Orange," from the demos? I see no mention of it in "Song
Stories," and it's not on the new album, and worst of all, it was my
favorite of all the new demos. And it doesn't seem appropriate for AV2, so
I'm lost.

Bob

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