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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 4, Number 8

                Thursday, 16 October 1997

Today's Topics:

           Only a lad (or a lass in this case)
               Haydn Bendall: a compromise?
                    English Settlement
                100% of the US RDA of XTC
               Hayden Bendall and Magazine
                    Stirring the Shit
                     Guitar solos...
           Those horrid, HORRID guitar solos...
    Oasis has turned out to be just more desert for me
          Osaka Meeting Notes/Red Hot Chalkhills
                     Say Hi to Yazbek
                  if macca can, andy can
                      Haydn Bendall
                Demos to be on new album?
              Dave's Subject Lines Are Kewl
                   Inflammatory Posting
                Smelt the Guns Is For Real
                This is really interesting
                DAT'S IT! I'M IN XTC!!!!!
                Ueber, unter, durch und um


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From: Cheryl <>
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 20:44:17 GMT
Subject: Only a lad (or a lass in this case)
Message-ID: <>


>Ok, Cheryl, it's a deal.  You take Andy to the offy, I get to stay
>in with Dave and the Kettle Crisps.
GREAT!  Now which way was the offy?
You mean the one in North London, right?
No matter, I'll find my way.  : )

There I was thinking again, and I stumbled on the thought of... what
if Mr. P did  a full out, go to town, don't stop at GO
symphony.   Would that not be a treat for the ears?  This of course
was fuelled by the release of Sir Paul's Symphony, Standing Stone.
Todd B. and I reckon Mr. P could do a better job of it.  Any

You know I have never sniffed any of my CD's, which consist mostly of
XTC, when I have purchased them.  Is that really recommended to get
the full affect of THE NEW CD?  I might just give it a go come May.
Is there a special way to approach the sniff job?  Any comments
appreciated.  : )

Mr. Brian commented:
> but if she's as young as I get the impression of, good for her that
>she's even bothered to come to enjoy XTC like the rest of us. I
>can't people probably twice her age to give a shit. And if anyone
>here had half a clue, you'd know how wrapped around what interests
>they have gals this age are - there isn't anything wrong with it.
>So, lighten up.
So age is a good reason to overlook bad manners and temper tantrums?

Yes Mr. Zibin( lover of XTC and all things cheeky), it was you I
mentioned in my previous post.  Hee hee!

Does anyone know where the recording of the new album will take
place?  England?  US?

Take care everyone,


Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:52:26 -0400
Subject: Haydn Bendall: a compromise?

Chalkies and Chalkettes:

Interesting news about the new choice for producer of the next record.  I
wonder if this isn't some sort of major internal band compromise. We've
heard that Dave and Colin don't want to turn the production chores over to
Andy because his influence would overwhelm the sound of the record and
therefore an external prodocer is a must.  But Haydn Bendall's primary role
in the industry has been as an engineer except for a few outings.  For
instance, he is listed as engineer for Let's Active, who of course have a
very strong/dominent force in Mitch Easter.  Hard to imagine Mitch turning
over the production reigns to a relatively unproven guy like Bendall, so
choosing him for XTC sounds like a low-budget, compromise selection.

Also, he probably will play a big role in preproduction activities which
concentrate on several levels including orchestration and arrangement.
What I will be looking for is his involvement in song selection and track
order which a strong producer takes a big role in.  If we hear that he is
not a player during this phase, then I think that Andy's really in charge
and Bendall is just a producer in name only.

Also, I might have missed this, but was an engineer selected or announced?
Or will Bendall play both roles?

Bottom line is, I can't wait for the new release, and I think it will be
great.  Maybe we should all start bombarding the music trades with strong
requests for them to review and publicize the new XTC record.  After all,
they're a real treasure and the fact that they're still alive and kicking
should be told to the world at large.



Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:35:03 -0500 (CDT)
From: Matt John <>
Subject: English Settlement
Message-ID: <>

Almost bought English Settlement last night but opted for Beck instead.
D'oh!  I don't know which of the *old* XTC albums would be great.  I have
Black Sea and it's awesome, and I got Waxworks(?) the singles and well,
some of them are as good as Black Sea (not only the ones which are from
Black Sea).  Maybe I'm dumb for not buying it.  I did pick up the Dukes
tape a few months back though.  I never read my digest anymore because I
dunno why.  If I did I might know better than to post such chatty messages
as this.  Maybe I'll start.  Anyway, if anyone wants to email me and
instruct me to kick myself for not getting that disc you can do it.



Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:48:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jason Legacy <>
Subject: Lyrics?
Message-Id: <>

This will be nice and mercifully short(I hope). I stopped listening to
They Might Be Giants a few years back (something definately changed in
their music once they started using real musicians more, though I love
Tony Maimone's bass work, in particular). Therefore, could someone please
print the lyrics to this "XTC vs Adam Ant" song? They've probably been
printed here before, but one more time wouldn't hurt, would it? As a fan
of both XTC and TMBGs I've been curious for some time. Thanks. Oh yeah,
some of you must remember that a few months ago (see, I lied about the
length..) there was all this talk about the Mummer album. After a month
or more someone threatened to start a Rag and Bone Buffet movement as well
and I think it ended there (thank God). Well, as far as I can tell, I was
was the one who started that whole thing. Which digest it was, I have no
idea, but it was during the spring. And I have to tell you how happy I was
to find all those Mummer fans out there. Anyway, 'das it.


Message-Id: <l03110700b06aea85f5ed@[]>
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:15:18 -0600
From: jason garcia <>
Subject: 100% of the US RDA of XTC

>[Haydn] should do a very fine job, especially on the more sparse, upbeat
>songs such as You and the Clouds or I'd Like That.  I'm very interested
>in the treatment that Easter Theatre or the chorus in Wonder Annual
>will receive...

Rock.  I'm really looking forward to this album.  I want it to have a lot
of PRESENCE, something which I think XTC's albums have been leading up to
but have never fully achieved;  Andy instead preferring to hide behind
vocal tracking and dense production.  Of their most recent, "Oranges and
Lemons" was probably the anti-presence:  a great album, but it always
sounded to me like I was listening to it from behind a sheet of glass.
"Nonsuch" was a lot better, especially on things like "Humble Daisy" and
"Rook", but overall the album sounded the way it was recorded:  DAD.
Andy's new songs as a whole sound very warm to me and deserve a warm
treatment.  I want this album to reach out and envelop the listener
with a very full sound that isn't marred by the electronic effects that
gave "Nonsuch" its cold edge.  While the coldness suited that album
perfectly, these songs are about renewal and rebirth, and I'm sure
Andy's eagerness to record will help lend them that fresh energy.  This'll
be an album that will be difficult to remove from the player, I'm sure!!

P.S.- I LIKE the "Books Are Burning" guitar solos!  Obviously, Dave is
a "guitarist" in the snotty sense, but to listen to Andy solo is always
a treat, because you can tell he really doesn't know what he's doing.
It's like listening to Peter Buck of R.E.M. do solos.  The guy wouldn't
know the first thing about a scale or the how-to of it all, but it
sounds good anyway BECAUSE of that.  It's different...I don't know
shit about playing guitar technically, but it's fun BECAUSE I'm clueless.
And sometimes you get cool little accidents that sound good!

Living as a nanny in Manhattan,


Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:46:52 -0700
From: Stephen Larson <>
Subject: Hayden Bendall and Magazine
Message-ID: <>

After the flurry of Hayden Bendall postings, I dug out my copy
of  _Real Life_ by Magazine and Hayden Bendall (that's how
it's spelled on the record sleeve) gets credit as "Assistant Engineer
at Abbey Road".  It's interesting to note that the Producer and Engineer
is none other than John Leckie.

BTW, it's great to be reading Chalkhills again after a six-month lapse
(computer in transit).  It's great to be back in England, too, even if
an "average English winter's afternoon" of late has been anything but
sunny.  Oh yeah, it's not winter yet, but I'm hardly drowning here in
summer's cauldron either.


Steve L.


Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:28:07 -0400
Message-Id: <971015182807.2120ec65@RCMACA.UPR.CLU.EDU>
Subject: Stirring the Shit

For Roger the masturbator,

I agree with you about CTD, STD, LSD and IUD but please don't flame my
underpants, BVD's. They are quite comfortable and well, kind of close
to the family.

So Amanda is back, the shit has been properly stirred and all is well
with the world.

BTW, John Denver has died and no one has even mentioned
it. Unbelievable. Moment of silence for the departed.


From: "James D. Schreiber" <>
Subject: Guitar solos...
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:41:53 -0600
Message-ID: <01bcd9bb$88b66da0$05ce2399@jamessch>

    I am not a regular poster on Chalkhills, but I believe that the time for
action is now. I have seen multiple posts on here regarding Dave's
"extended" guitar solos in such songs as "Books Are Burning" and "Church Of
Women". Hmmm...I may just have a few things to say about this.
    It was proposed that "endless noodling" guitar solos were an abomination
of the 1970-era "southern fried" bands who just had nothing better to create
for us. Well, in the studio context, a 15 minute solo such as the one found
in the Skynyrd song "Free Bird" was certainly uncalled for. It WAS boring
and self indulgent. But, how can you draw a parallel to "Books Are Burning"
to THAT? It's almost an insult. Dave's talent is manifest in many areas,
among which are his technical abilities and his creativeness. So what if he
extends one for just a few seconds longer? I am glad that Andy decided to
throw Dave a bone and let him play around a little. No harm done. Sounded
really brilliant to me, and it takes you away if you let it.
    And what about the people who play guitar solos for melody in songs? You
certainly wouldn't complain about brilliant masters such as Allan
Holdsworth, or John McLaughlin or Al DiMeola. Sometimes you just can't say
it in 8 seconds. What about the brilliant Dave solo in "That's Really Super,
Supergirl"? Sure, it's not at long as "Books Are Burning", but it wasn't a
concise statement.
    I would also like to point out that in a concert, most pop bands will
only play for about an hour to an hour and a half. Most "noodling" bands
(such as the former Greatful Dead) played shows that lasted well into 3
hours. The reason being is that they used improvisation as a musical form
and explored. That's called entertainment. And well, if you can't just
listen and hear what the man has to say with his music, then perhaps one
would have to attune one's attention span to accomodate it. You wouldn't say
that Steve Howe's amazing solo on "Starship Troopers" in the Yessongs triple
album was "endless noodling". It was very cinematic and very melodic.
    Well, enough said. Guitarist LOVE to play solos. It's our way of
composing on the fly, and it is challenging and fun. Not to mention
rewarding to the listener if the improviser is good. And how do you get
good? How do you see what people will get and what they won't? Practice,
man, practice.

Joshua Crime
Crime wouldn't pay if the government didn't run it.


Message-Id: <>
From: "Matt Keeley" <>
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:38:00 +0000
Subject: Hello

Hi... first off, I'd like to apologise for the probable more
incoherent nature of this post... I'm writing it under the influence
of my migrane medicine, so I'm basically stoned, and it's very heard
for me to think or anything.. and I'm making more typos.

> Query-After watching the version of Peter Pumpkinhead shown in Australia
> and the one shown in the US, do you think MTV would still show the censored
> versin today, or go all out and show that toothpick of a woman's backside?
> (Not that it's ever been a great pleasure to see a woman's read end.)
Ah, what exactly is the difference?  I think I've seen the UK
version, but I'm just a bit curious...

> From: "Joseph E. Short" <>
> Can anyone clue me into the meaning of "The Ballad of Peter Pumpkinhead"
> I have a friend who believes it is about JFK, I personally do not think
> so, any help would be appreciated. thanks
According to Andy (I originally typed 'accordion') the song is about
any martyr..."It's about JFK, Jesus Christ, John Lennon... whoever"
(actually that's a paraphrase, but the gist is there... and those
were the people listed, possibly sans one...)  Anyway...

Ah well...that's this world over...

     -=>Matt Keeley<=-
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Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 19:04:41 -0400
From: gregory <>
Organization: InfiNet
Subject: Those horrid, HORRID guitar solos...

(Is the aspirin helping?)

To David Friel:

>Anyway, you Chalkoids who wonder why some people are violently opposed to
>the guitar solos in "Books Are Burning" have got to understand: There are
>some of us who have deeply distressing memories of the Seventies, who
>consider the extended guitar jam to be the emblem and incarnation of lazy,
>time-filling, clock-punching, beer-sucking, fog-brained Seventies POOP.<

David, are you angry that somebody who can play a guitar did?

>It just makes us nervous when we hear a great band, a band that stuck
more than one bayonet into the bleeding corpse of that weed-sodden
southern-fried aesthetic, a short, sharp, shocking band that in its
youthful, nightclubbing incarnation would rather have chewed their own
fingers off than do a guitar solo of more than eight bars, suddenly in
its studio maturity sounding for a brief, unguarded minute like they
might be gearing up for a Big Concept Album where Side Two is all one
song that condemns war or something controversial like that.<

David, you are angry! And you seem to be a decent writer, too! Good

>Don't you geeks have anything better to do than microanalyze a 20-something
>second guitar solo?  I wasn't sure if you were talking about the solos in
>"Books are Burning" or "Freebird" from your melodramatic diatribe.  Is it
>against some sort of pop songwriting convention to have a solo, god forbid
>played by more than one person, that lasts longer than, say, 5 seconds???
Perhaps it's time to liberate yourself from the parameters of "the
perfect 3-minute pop song."<

Since most all of XTC's music does not delve into this territory much at
all, I think we (including you) can forgive our heroes if they felt that
that's what THEY wanted to say in THEIR piece of music that THEY decided
to put on THEIR album.

And since we've all been dealing with the absolute dearth (well, besides
the demos) of anything XTC to go on about, some of us find what we can
in order to fill these pages with communication and insight that we are
all here for. I don't think it's fair for you to belittle these 'geeks'
because they found something to talk about.

Hell, I hope I'm not asking the question after next spring: "Where AM
that noisy guitar?"

Eating future and shitting past...


Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:00:32 +0100
Subject: Oasis has turned out to be just more desert for me
Message-ID: <>
From: (Patrick M Adamek)

Any Oasis fans out there?

>From the time they came out, they have been compared to the Beatles,
even (unbelievably) getting something close to a recommendation from Paul
McC (on VH1's special with John Fugglesang -sp?-).  I am a long time
Beatles fan and when a group is so strongly compared to the Beatles, of
course it grabs my attention.  I have picked up some english rock rags
and newspapers and all I see is that they absolutely LOVE them.  They're
consistenty on the charts long after the state's lists, and are thought
of by some to be the torch bearers for the Beatles.  My problem with

It has already been done (maybe not in the popular music media, but
still...nonetheless) by XTC.

Andy (at least) is a confessed Beatles fanatic, and anyone with ears can
understand the scope of their influence on XTC.

This, IMO, just furthers the feeling that XTC have never gotten the
credit they so richly deserve.  Are they not cute enough?  Do they not
have a good enough image?  Did they come out too SOON after the Beatles
broke up?

Anyone need evidence?...take the material included on "Chips from the
Chocolate Fireball" (a masterpiece of its own standing).  I have often
regarded this as the best effort by anyone to capture the magic of Sgt.
Pepper's and explore its possibilities.  XTC are able to give a nod to
their mentors and have the balls to improve on themes and recording
techniques in the process.  This is the work of people who genuinely care
about their craft and respect from where it was that they came.

Hence, they carry the torch of the Beatles.

I don't dislike Oasis (I think some of their stuff is alright), but I
certainly wasn't blown away like I was when I finally understood what XTC
was doing.  I just can't see putting on" What's the Story (morning
glory)?" ten times in a row (like I did when Oranges and Lemons came

Oasis seem whiny and fragmented.

One last point:  IMO, XTC's % of weak songs (songs you need only listen
to 2-3 times to hear ALL of it) is MUCH lower than that of Oasis.

I'd like to know if anyone else has shared in this frustration, or maybe
do I need to listen more closely to Oasis?!



Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:56:07 +0900 (JST)
Message-Id: <>
From: mikewix <>
Subject: Osaka Meeting Notes/Red Hot Chalkhills

Greetings Fellow Chalkies!

 Here in sunny Osaka, our second Osaka meeting was held last Thursday, with
myself and five others in attendance, those being Kenichi Takemura, Yukihisa
Yoshihara, Naoyuki Isogai, Megumi Fukuda, and Miwa Tateoka.  We held the get
together at a local skewered chicken place (not only did they serve fried
chicken, but many other kinds of chicken and an assortment of Japanese and
Western food; quite a delicious Testimonial Dinner-Type Feast!)
  Naoyuki brought his ukelele (!), Kenichi brought his small woodwind
instrument, and the rest of us sang along to the warm, pleasant tunes of
Peter Pumpkinhead (a wonderful performance!), The Mayor Of Simpleton, Then
She Appeared, Wrapped In Grey, Senses Working Overtime, and a couple of
Dukes songs thrown in for flavor.  We talked about Many Things XTC, as well
as some Japanese new wave/modern alternative (whatever!) bands...Naoyuki
even played a King Crimson (!!) song,  and a  YMO (Yellow Magic
Orchestra-Ryuichi Sakamoto) picture/tour (?) book was passed around for all
to see.  Naoyuki gave us some compilation tapes (I received  "The Adventure
Club Sessions", with XTC's Blue Beret as one of the performances) and in
return I gave him a copy of The Little Express. We all received a button,
which at first I thought was a relic from '79, black with "XTC Go2" in white
lettering, but it actually said "o2" as in Osaka 2nd meeting.
  We were there for four short hours, then we had to leave because 1) the
last trains were soon to depart and 2) the restaurant staff - finally -
kicked us out!
A fun time had by all...(Thanks Naoyuki "Pete Sampras" for coming to Osaka!)
  Considering all the verbal/written sparring I've been "page-down-ing"  in
the past few digests, frantically searching for , you know, XTC-related
stuff, last weeks' meeting was really cool, very fun, and something I wish
we 1000 or so here on the list could do in the future (BTW, any news/info on
the next XTC Friends Convention? Where and when  will it be held? Next year
in the spring?)
   Every time I read the pointless put-downs and rude behavior that,
strangely enough, never used to be part of this mailing list, two
conflicting feelings pervade--on one hand,  freedom of speech and all that
(as long as it relates to XTC or this list--whoops! am I being  redundant?);
on the other hand, common sense courtesy (not over-politeness, but, you
know, respect) should also be followed.   Hey!   Think before you write;
look it over before you send it out...
  Personally, I'd much rather read about: Haydn Bendall and what he
might/can do as "producer",  what Colin sang (or didn't sing) in Heatwave,
and new members of the Go2 Society, etc etc.   Heck, at least we all agree
on one thing:
  XTC  is  _STILL_ the BEST FRICKIN' BAND (still!) AROUND, and WE LOVE 'EM!

Estatically yours,


"...and I believe the printed word is more than sacred,
        Beyond the gauge of good or bad.
   The human right to let your soul fly free and naked,
        Above the violence of the fearful and sad..."

(lyrics soon followed by that Guitar-Dueling, hell, fade out! :-)


Message-Id: <v02140b00b06b1a5e8e8b@[]>
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:16:07 -0400
From: (David Yazbek)
Subject: Say Hi to Yazbek

We, my band and I, played New York, New Haven and Providence last week,
opening for the Samples.  In both New Haven and Prov., I spotted at least
one guy wearing a Chalkhills t-shirt.  What I want to know is-- why no
post-show "hello"? Make yourself known damnit!
We're playing Arlene Grocery in NYC on Oct. 20th at 9 p.m. Say Hi you
Chalkhill bastards!!! Don't be shy!


Message-Id: <>
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 23:15:24 -0400
From: David Pardue <>
Subject: if macca can, andy can

Having read about Paul McCartney's successes recently in the world of
classical music, I think Andy P. should give it a whirl.  After all, Andy
P., just like Macca, is a self-taught musical naif who has always wanted to
branch out into things other than the 3-minute Pop egg.  The Dub
Experiments, work with Harold Budd, etc...  I think Andy would be a natural
at classical or "serious" composing just as he is at songwriting.

In Macca's case, they just pointed him in the direction of the right music
composition software, aided and abetted him here and there, and voila!  I've
heard some of "Standing Stone" and its not bad at all, and is certainly the
most creative thing he's done in a while.

I think we should send Andy a copy of Cakewalk, an old 486/66, a pint or
two, and let him have a go at it.  And even if he doesn't write a "Swindon
Oratorio" maybe he'll overcome his computer illiteracy and drop in on the
chat @ Buzzcity.


Date: 16 OCT 97 14:39:30 AST
Subject: Haydn Bendall
Message-ID: <>

I think somebody mentioned this in 'Hills recently:
If you consult the liner notes to "GO2", there you will find Haydn Bendall
credited as an engineer. What goes around comes around.....


Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 23:53:41 -0500 (CDT)
Message-Id: <>
From: (Jim S)
Subject: Demos to be on new album?

Keith, talking about the producer for the new XTC album, wrote:

>He should do a very fine job, especially on the more sparse, upbeat
>songs such as You and the Clouds or I'd Like That.  I'm very interested
>in the treatment that Easter Theatre or the chorus in Wonder Annual
>will receive...

Are we sure all of the demo songs we have are going to be recorderd for the
album?  I like all four songs you mentioned above.  Let's see, the demos of
Andy's number 15, right? That would leave 5 for Colin.  Sounds about
right. Surprisingly, a previous Chalkhills message said they would only be
*recording* 20 songs. I know that Andy wants to make a CD of about 20 songs
as well. It would be very unusual for every song recorded to make the
album. There are almost always leftovers.

I would be disappointed if any of the demos other than Prince of Orange or
Bumper Cars didn't make the final cut...

  Jim S.     <>

Serious fan of:
*St. Louis Rams        *Michigan Wolverines          *"JAWS"
   *St. Louis Cardinals          *XTC           *MST3K

Movie buffs: Check out Jake Gove's excellent "JAWS" homepage.
Video, sound, reviews, trivia and more from the 1975 classic!


Message-Id: <>
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 01:07:23 -0500
From: Ben Gott <>
Organization: Loquacious Music
Subject: Dave's Subject Lines Are Kewl

"Dude! Don't say 'pigfucker' in front of Jesus!"

OK. Now that "South Park" is out of my system...

I will do some checking into Phish's version of "Melt the Guns." My old
math teacher had over 350 tapes of concerts...He should know, right?

If Haydn produced a Pat Metheny album, he's alright with me. Yes, yes,
we've already had this discussion -- "As Falls Wichita, So Falls Wichita
Falls" is a masterpiece. (My brother is going to see the Group in
Houston in November...He's hoping to get backstage...)

Hmmmm. Looks like certain Chalkhillians are being angry again. That's
not good! Where is the calming influence of Josh Hall-Bachner? Josh --
show yourself! We've got to prove to Chalkhills that all teenagers
aren't idiots! books on a regular basis! And I haven't
watched a TV show since August 31st!

It's "English Settlement" season! Does anyone else drive around all Fall
with "ES" blasting in the car, the sunroof open, and beautiful leaves
surrounding the roadway? How loud can *you* sing "Yacht Dance"?

I don't have to prove that I am creative...

-Ben "Can We At Least Agree that We Don't Mind XTC?" Gott
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 06:10:39 -0400
From: Mark Stevenson <>
Subject: Inflammatory Posting
Message-ID: <>

I have been lurking on this list for a year now. Why? Because I love XTC of
course. But more than XTC, I love music - in all it's forms. Music is my
career, my one true love and it *annoys me* (hence this posting) to see
people indulging in petty, divisive and inflammatory bickering about the
merits or de-merits of CTD/ guitar solos and so on. All music is good. Even
Tales From Topographic Oceans and the latest Oasis album are good. Maybe I
don't like them but it doesn't stop them being something that *brings people
pleasure*. In my particular opinion, for my taste if you will, then XTC are
particularly good, they bring *me* a lot of pleasure, not because they are
*anti* any particular genre or ethic of music but because they *embrace* so
much. NonSuch is one of my desert island discs for sure. Hard though some of
you may find this to stomach - David Gilmour is one of my favourite
guitarists - because there is melody and beauty in his notes (for me). The
guitar solo anti-lobby are not listening to the music, they are listening to
an internal prejudice. "Oh no! A guitar solo. EVIL!". The solos on the end
of Books are Burning are quite stunningly beautiful. They are *music*. And
if XTC decided to produce a concept album with all one side made up of a
single song then I'd buy it as would all of you. So, be less exclusive and
be more inclusive. That is what I believe XTC do - you only have to *listen*
to their music to understand that.


Mark Stevenson

"Minds are like parachutes. They work best when they are open"


Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 06:55:34 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <>
Subject: Smelt the Guns Is For Real

Richard Pedretti-Allen wrote:
<< I have a Phish-head that works for me that has informed me that Phish
<< covered "Melt The Guns" in April 1987.
<< I checked the website and couldn't find any info to this effect...

Well, Richard, I checked too, and according to the Phriendly Heling Book,
Phish covered Melt the Guns on April 29, 1987 at a show at Nectar's in
Burlington, Vermont.  The show features some other interesting cover
tunes, including The Cars, Led Zepplin and Duke Ellington, to name a few.

Let me know if you get your hands on that tape.  I'd love to hear a copy of
it.  For those who don't follow Phish, they have an interesting habit of
playing an entire set of someone else's record on Halloween.  Their version
of wearing a costume.  Last years costume was Talking Heads _Remain In
Light_ a very impressive feat!  The year before was Quadrophenia, not too
shabby either!  Maybe I'll suggest English Settlement for this year's
Halloween costume.

Mark Brown


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From: Catherine Sweeney <>
Subject: This is really interesting
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:53:41 +0100

La la la la, dum de dum de dum, la la la la la la la, Zzzzzzzzzzz

This is how interesting I have found a lot of the mails I've spotted on
the mailing list in the last 2 digests.

Boring, isn't it.  If I had a baby,  I'd take this opportunity to tell
you what the contents of her nappy (diaper) looked like.

Oh, hang on, that's what some of you are already doing.

I think I'll switch to the nappy mailing list.  It's interesting there.
They talk about XTC and, occasionally, about other groups.  Funny, that,
because it's off the point - they really ought to be talking about
baby's backsides and poo, but that seems to happen here.

Some of you do talk about interesting things.  Thank god for you.  Can
you do it some more to drown out the other crap and stop me from
unsubscribing, please?


Ps Slag me off for this all you like.  I won't respond anyway.


Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:23:09 -0600 (CST)
Subject: DAT'S IT! I'M IN XTC!!!!!
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Oh rapture, oh joy, oh sheer MADNESS!!!

I'll get to that in a minute.......

Mitch-Amen brother!

RogerFromOz-How many times have I told you to watch your fucking language?
;) Say all you want, I'm in such a good mood today I'm going to be totally
and utterly SARCASTIC! Bwahahahaha!!!!!

Brian-Amen # 2. BTW-I'm rapidly approaching 20. Too young to drink, yet old
enough to join the army, fight, and die. Where's the logic in that???

Matt-:* (That's a kiss in your direction, boo. You can vomit later at
how nauseatingly sweet I'm being right now.)

For MY sake, won't you put your knuckles down boyz? (and girlz)

Now onto my rapture......
Yesterday I threw open my mailbox, and lo! My back issues of the Little
Express were in!!!!! I had the package ripped open and strewn about the
post office before I could even get past the door. 15 glorious issues
sat before me, along with a personal note from June and Peter asking if
they could put the letter I wrote in the next issue. (Some of you who
subscirbe to LE might want to skip past mentions CTD.....just
a warning.....and how the hell do you subscirbe??????)
Oh the pictures of Dave!!!!!!!!!!!! I never realised how photogenic he was.
I loved each and every one of them. (Except of course, for the one when
he and Aimee Mann were hanging all over each other....sort of made me
feel a bit blecch.)

Ciao for now, oranges & lemons,
Daemon est deus inversus
XTC song of the day-Melt the Guns
non XTC-(You're going to REALLY throw up at my choice of song, but I
just bought the cd, and I'm hooked.....) Da Da Da-Trio


Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:19:20 -0400 (EDT)
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Subject: Ueber, unter, durch und um


I'm writing in response to myself really.  In my last post a coupla weeks
ago, I gave my own little AP demo review and said this:

> I Can't Own Her:  Beautiful and sad.  I like Natalie JJ's assessment.  But
as sad of a song as it is, and as sympathetic as he makes himself out to be
with the soaring violins etc., lyrically I can't feel sorry for him.  It's a
case where the sound of the words is nicer than the meaning.  To me, he's
contradicting himself.  Making us feel sorry for him when his words don't
deserve it.  Sounding sad and sensitive when his words make him out to be a
brute.  But that's what the bridge is trying to counteract I guess.  It's
okay, Andy.  I'm sure someone will be glad to be your chattel.

And even though I qualified myself with the following:

> No, really, I like this song, just until I think about it too much.  Bad

I really feel I must issue a retraction.  I was just talking to be talking
and every time I hear the song I feel sorry for having said what I did.  It's
a beautiful song.  So what about the words.  I believe in his intentions "I
merely want her in my arms forevermore".  I was just being nitpicky.

Now what I don't regret saying is that I think Bumper Cars can safely be left
off the next album.  A couple people have e-mailed me personally to defend
this song and I've listened several times since then, but it's still last
choice as far as I'm concerned (which isn't very far, I'll admit) for the new
album.  But I wouldn't mind seeing it on a "Demos Revisited" tape I guess.

Lyrically it's a sort of rehash of River of Orchids.  And while it has some
of the whimsy of the D&W era, it doesn't have the energy or the
in-your-face-ness to be very compelling.  And so instead of being whimsical
it comes out silly.  I dunno.  Just doesn't float my personal boat.

Now about flame wars.  Every time one comes up I swear to myself that I'm
going to keep quiet, because it's partly everyone putting in their little
opinions that perpetuates these things.  But I'm really sick of all this.  So
I'm going to perpetuate it just a little bit by sharing with you my own
thoughts.  These sorts of things, especially when they involve personal
attacks, are what scare people away from lists.  I'll never forget when I
first got internet access and subscribed to half a dozen music mailing lists
just to see what was out there.  The Genesis list was having some sort of
constitutional crisis and everyone was badmouthing everyone else and it was
just extremely off-putting.  So I promptly unsubscribed.  C-Hills is the only
list I have remained on, and I have the confidence to weather these little
storms because I know it's the best list around, but think what people must
think scanning the web or just getting their first issues & stuff.  I think
personal e-mail flames are best.  And yes, I'm prepared to receive my share.
 Just don't post them to the list.


> James-Raspberry in your direction, babe. :p (jokingly of course, tongue
planted firmly in cheek.)

Now that's a good trick, doing a raspberry whilst your tongue is in your

>From Dave Stafford:

> I'm afraid that this is a direct result of Saturday Night Live.  They did
a skit about "Uberman" sort of a German Superman.  The next day at work,
I told my German-speaking boss that I was going to use some
"Uberglue"(superglue) to glue something that was broken.

>He corrected me, explaining that "uber" wasn't good German in this
context, and that the correct word for superglue is "ultraklebestoff".
 So based on this bizarre exchange, I should have probably said
"Ultrastar".  But it just didn't seem the same...

Don't worry.  Ueberstar was quite correct.  It was actually, did you but
know, a play on Nietzsche's Uebermensch, or superman.  Just because super
didn't translate to ueber in one instance doesn't mean you want to replace
all your uebers with ultras.

And if you're wondering, ueber has the extra e because we can't make the
umlaut with basic ASCII.  It's the little dot-dot you get over so many things
in German and so many heavy metal band names, like Spinal Tap.  Or Kellog's
Mu:eslix, which, if I'm not mistaken, would be pronounced Meeeslix.  But when
you can't (or don't feel like) make an umlaut, you just put an e after the

And now that I've gone hopelessly off-topic, I'll sneak out, with What's the
Buzz as my outtro.

-Melissa "Wondering if Uebercalifragilistikexpialidoschlich is a Word" Reaves


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