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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 4, Number 50

                Thursday, 5 February 1998

Today's Topics:

           Thanks for Chalkhills' Children '97
                 Reverse the order, man.
                    Separation Anxiety
                         Arf Arf
                       Money to XTC
                    wish I'd said that
                Fan $upport-- count me in
         Hmm... Dangolinnesallarounditellyouwhut
                      Celine to XTC
                        verboten!
      The odd boy laid down by the football field...
                     more blasphemy?
                     Demos n' Nonsuch
                Some good ideas indeed...
                CC'97 - my two cents worth
                       "Sacred" Pop
                   Raising $$$ for XTC
          Don't tell me what NOT to post, okay?
                      Help the band?
        Re: Top 20 British Guitarists, Plus a Few
                Money for Somesuch! - Yes
                       celine dion

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Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980204160548.00941100@smtpgw.ametsoc.org>
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 16:05:48 -0500
From: David Gershman <dgershmn@ametsoc.org>
Subject: Thanks for Chalkhills' Children '97

Dear Chalk(hills)-Full-o'-Nuts,

I just wanted to give a hearty (and slightly belated) thanks and
congratulations to Richard Pedretti-Allen for a fantastic job on the "CC
'97" project! (And I'm very sorry to hear about events concerning your
father.) The contributors' CDs are particularly astonishing...it's no small
thing for me to hear my contribution played through my CD player! I only
wish now that my 4-track had been behaving better when I was recording it,
so as to better appreciate the song's digitization! (See the CC'97
contributors' recording summaries that I believe will be appearing in a
couple of weeks here for a further detailing of my 4-track woes, if you're
wondering.) In any case, I'm proud to be a part of the compilation.

 If I may echo what has been said on the list several times already, the
quality of the performances throughout the CD are very impressive. My
favorites? I'd have to say they would be all the ones that have been
mentioned here by others. I'd do my own track-by-track review of the CD, as
I did with "CC '96" (which I did not appear on), but I feel a bit of a
conflict of interest since I'm on it this time. (Speaking of which, thanks
to Mark for the positive comments on my cover of "One of the Millions" -- I
was happy just to get any feedback, so the fact that it was positive made
my day!) Suffice it to say that there's really not a bad track in the
bunch! (Thinking about it, now, though, I reserve the right to come back
with a few, more specific remarks...)

Anyway, thanks again Richard (and Peter Fitzpatrick, for the fine mastering
job)! And please keep us posted on any remarks Andy, Colin, or Dave may
send back your way...I'm sure I speak for everyone involved when I say: I'm
all ears! :)

Dave Gershman

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From: Rhoblidnen@aol.com
Message-ID: <fc6232e0.34d8e1c9@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:46:46 EST
Subject: Reverse the order, man.

> Andy thought it was a shame that
> everyone had heard most of the demos because he thinks a good part of the
> surprise of a totally new batch of songs is now lost. In addition he's
> concerned that those of us who have been listening to the demos for quite a
> while may not like the studio versions if they veer even a little bit from
> the demo versions which they surely will in several instances.

I have a suggestion for those of us who don't currently own the demos: wait
until the album comes out and then get the tape.  That way, you can love the
produced versions of the songs and hate the demos.  Also, Andy is going to do
himself in (again) if he worries about pleasing the fans.  Making music should
just be about presenting your art to the world as it is.  Never should you
consider changing this in any way just to suit those who you think will like
it.  That's the problem with commercial music: it doesn't stay personal, when
that's exactly what it should be.  This is Andy's, Colin's and Dave's take on
life.  If we don't like it, then it's our tough shit.

On a different note, I apologise to those members of the list for my fatuous
comment about the youngest member of the list, particularly Michael Liquori,
and find it very comforting that not everyone under 18 only likes what they
see on MTV/BET.
Marvellous.

Robin Holden

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Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=BTG._Inc.%l=EXCH_HQ-980204222928Z-81772@exchserver.btg.com>
From: "Sherwood, Harrison" <hsherwood@btg.com>
Subject: Separation Anxiety
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:29:28 -0500

>From: "MARK G. CUEVAS" <MGCUEVAS@phjw.com>
>Subject: CC '97: The Comment on the Review
>
>What you're actually hearing is Jeff's amazing *guitar* part.
>This is not midi.  Jeff played this throughout.  It's so stinkin' clean!

The grapevine has it that Jeff lost 47 pounds tracking this guitar part,
and his hair is now snowy white. He sits in his bare room wearing only a
pair of ancient red drainpipe corduroys that are three sizes too small,
rocking autistically and reciting distractedly to himself, "Three times
seven is sixty-eight/four times twelve is a carrot/five times eight is
ninety-two/And I am Sydney Barrett." Sad, really.

>I emailed the wrong Steve Clarke recently

Yes, you emailed the Steve Clarke who submitted a jaw-harp and
toilet-plunger version of the second act of "Narciso" to the Domenico
Scarlatti Tribute Tape ("Soli Deo Gloria '97!"), at the climax of which
he defenestrated a Boston terrier, thereby scandalizing all Naples. Easy
mistake to make.

The _real_ Steve Clarke is hereby put on notice that his
dead-solid-perfect take of "Toys" still--weeks later--enjoys
heavy-rotation status in my fevered brain, and I love his vocal delivery
and I wish I could do that accent. And he's got friends who play real
horns!

Seventeen? Screw that noise! I'm only twelve, but you won't catch me
strutting around some Internet mailing list with my chest all puffed up
like that Benito Whatsisname from that World War...was it Four? Five? No
sir, soon as I grow me some pubic hair and a pair of sideburns I'm off
to the drugstore to whistle at girls! And I won't be back for dinner!
Stick that in yer chillum and smoke it, Mom!

Am I the only prepubescent musicologist on this list who feels that
demos are interesting only _after_ you've absorbed the official songs?
Would John Lennon's famous series of false starts and blind alleys be
even remotely compelling if you didn't know he was working toward
"Strawberry Fields"? Or consider Lennon's often-bootlegged, extremely
tentative jottings for the song that would eventually become "She Said
She Said": By themselves they're virtually worthless crap, but watching
the song take form and texture--and most importantly, *knowing where
he's going to end up*, is a humbling, damned nearly numinous experience,
not unlike looking over Botticelli's shoulder as he's doing sketches for
"Allegory of Spring."

>From: "J. Brown" <ringostr@u.washington.edu>
>Subject: Six degrees of XTC

>Elvis Costello wrote 11 songs with Paul McCartney who was and Harrison
>Sherwood covered the Lennon/McCartney son Hello Little Girl on the Butcher
>Covers tribute tape and our harrison also has covered Reel by Real and
>Living in a Haunted heart on CC97 and CC98.

I see the Duck's been hard at work.... So, um, "J." if that _is_ your
real initial--which I doubt--did _saki_ put you up to this? Huh? Bob
Stahley? Bruce Dumes?

See, some people have written to me implying that "Real By Reel" is some
sort of comedy song, that I can't possibly be _that_ paranoid.... But
folks, here's Exhibit A, huh?

Well.... Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean people aren't
sometimes just being nice when they take note of the stuff you do. Thank
you, "J."

The Third Verse, Which I Was Coerced Into Suppressing By Black-Clad
Representatives of UUNet and InterNIC:

In this jacked-in time-ah!
Your footprints are ev-er-y-where
You can't talk online-ah!
The DejaNews follows you there
You can't post to alt.sex or to old r.m.b.,
a.f.u., rec.arts.books., or mac.advocacy
They can archive it all till you don't know what's real....

So all you teenaged Chalkmunchers, here's today's lesson: If you stay in
school, listen to your teachers and parents, keep the reefer intake down
below a pound a week, and work real hard at your smart-assed repartee,
one day you too can grow up to be...a Degree of Separation.

Harrison "OK, _two_ pounds a week" Sherwood
>

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Message-Id: <199802042301.AAA28344@mail.knoware.nl>
From: "Mark Strijbos" <mmello@knoware.nl>
Organization: The Little Lighthouse
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 00:12:09 +0000
Subject: Arf Arf

Dear Chalkers,

Some threads just never die...
Usually those are the nastier ones but this Six Degrees game is fun!
Last issue a couple of terrific links were laid bare:

> > I'd be interested to see anyone tie Whitney Houston,
Yes, me too! And please gag her as well ;)

> Stevie Wonder appears on Houston's "We Didn't Know" on the album
> "I'm Your Baby Tonight" (thanks to my wife for owning that gem!)
> Wonder also appears on the Eurythmics's song "There Must Be An
> Angel".  Dave Stewart of Eurythmics produced Tom Petty's album
> "Southern Accents".  Petty was in a band called the Travelling
> Wilburys, along with George Harrison.  Harrison produced and played
> on parts of Badfinger's album "Straight Up"; other tracks on the
> album were produced by Todd Rundgren, who also produced XTC.

> *Tracey Ullman*
> (not too hard) Paul McCartney worked with her on
> one song (did some singing, as I recall). Paul also wrote the
> Badfinger hit, "Come and Get It." Aimme Mann did a cover of
> Badfinger's "Baby Blue" on a recent tribute album. Former Cavedog,
> Brian Stevens, has played with Aimee's touring band. Finally, Dave
> Gregory played on Brian's solo disc, "Prettier Than You."

But it can be done by a much shorter, albeit less scenic, route!
Both Macca and Harrison played in band called the Beatles and several
of their albums were engineered by Gus Dudgeon who went on to
produce XTC's excellent Nonsuch album.
And of course this also includes Costello through his connection with
Paul McCartney
BTW: Both Todd and Gus come in very handy with this game; they've
both worked with almost everybody who is anybody.

But I'd like to know if it's possible to link XTC with Brian Wilson
or Ray Davies. Any takers?

yours in xtc,
Mark Strijbos at The Little Lighthouse
 the XTC website @ http://come.to/xtc
and http://www.knoware.nl/users/mmello

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Message-Id: <34D916F5.9D87AE2@iname.com>
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 20:34:14 -0500
From: Ben Gott <loquacious@iname.com>
Organization: Loquacious Music - http://www.wp.com/58596
Subject: Money to XTC

Chalkhills,

I would definitely be willing to send money to Mitch, and to contribute
to the Boys' next album. Someone had brought it up before, and it would
be cool if it actually happened.

Sounds like a plan, Mitch. Let me (at least) know where to go next.

-Ben

XTC SONG OF THE DAY: "Day In Day Out"
RANDOM XTC THOUGHT: Couldn't Morrissey spare some hair for Andy?

       VOTE "NO" - MAINE WON'T DISCRIMINATE!
* ----------------------------------------------- *
B e n   G o t t        ::           Bowdoin College
(207) 721-5142         ::       Brunswick, ME 04011
  And I've cancelled your subscription to my life.
* ----------------------------------------------- *

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Subject: wish I'd said that
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 01:43:41 +0000 (GMT)
Message-Id: <E0y0GLt-0006QY-00@sunx1>
From: Mandy Taylor <mandyt@central.susx.ac.uk>

Michael, re: driving me loco - you said just what I wanted to say,
 only much better.
Mitch, I think you said just the right things to Andy on the phone,
 glad he had you to talk all that sense to him. Though I always did
 feel guilty about hearing the demos.
 I for one would pay to hear more songs recorded. (When I think of
 the money I've spent with anything with XTC written on it..) Count
 me in!
And does anyone know why the end of all my postings get cut off? My
feelings are getting hurt.

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Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980204221057.0082bb10@pppl.gov>
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 22:10:57 -0500
From: Tobin <tmunsat@pppl.gov>
Subject: Fan $upport-- count me in

Mitch Friedman wrote:
>Howdy Ho!!!!!!!
then wrote:
>what does everyone think of the idea of me collecting however
>much ... and then when it reaches a nice tidy sum, sending it as a gift
>to XTC to help them pay for whatever they need it for?

Count me in!  There's not much I'd rather put my money towards than
supporting these artists.  XTC's freedom from the evil overlabel provides
us with the perfect opportunity to show our support.  Just make sure that
video-tree scammer weasel guy isn't in charge of the cash.

-Tobin

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Message-Id: <199802050304.TAA06318@mail.eskimo.com>
From: "Matt Keeley" <mrme@eskimo.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:04:20 +0000
Subject: Hmm... Dangolinnesallarounditellyouwhut

Hmm... anyway...
> Please!  Enough with the Six Degrees of Separation.  This topic
> is hereby declared dead.  Thank you.
While I'm glad to see it go, I'm surprised no one did any going
through the movie _JFK_..8)  (Don't try, dammit!)

> From: Andrew Lippitt <andylipp@snet.net>
> > Bonzo albums are hard to come across these days, so I'm not even going
> > to try.
> If you mean vinyl, Amanda, maybe you're right.  Plenty of CD's
> available, though.  One-Way has reissued most of 'em, and they are
> available at Tunes.com and CD Now, and probably at yer fa-vor-ite music
> type shoppe.
Actually, recently I found a ton of them at my local used record
shoppe, where I'm happy to say that I found the TMBG Guitar Single!
Didn't buy any Bonzos though... probably should have...

> Now if they only carried a certain CD of cover tunes...
Try under various artists... that's where most/all are found... 8)

> From: keone@ix.netcom.com
> SOLUTION:  Stop listening  -- NOW!
> You've had a taste of what the songs are, now put the tape away and hum
> them from memory for the next six or so months.  When "Firework"
> arrives, the tunes will seem like old friends dressed up in new
> clothes.  And you won't be disappointed...
Been there, done that... Only listened to the demos once... haven't
gotten around to listening to them again... And I wasn't even really
listening very well, since that was the time of the evil headache,
so....  The half I paid more attention to I liked more though... BTW,
too bad "Nicely Nicely Jane" isn't on anything... that song is hella
cool...

Ok, my two cents on the whole
Non-nonsuch-firework-andy-listening-to-us thing... I dunno.. I vote
that he should do what he wants to do, but if it were me (and if this
post is printed out and given to him, I wouldn't mind if this is
marked out in black marker... not that I have delusions of grandeur
thinking Andy will read my tripe...8):
While I like the orchestral thing OK, I'd prefer a sparcer sounding
album, ala White Music through English Settlement... Y'know, not a
lot of stuff in there, mainly just Andy, Colin, Dave and Not-Terry
playing their songs and being all XTC about it... I wasn't a big fan
of Nonsuch, but it was OK... but anyway, it's XTC's record, not
mine... well, it will be mine, since I buy just about anything with
the "XTC" name printed on it that's on a musical medium, but you get
the idea...

Ah well, that's this <marker> over,

Matt
Living Through | (ICQ UIN: 1455267, Name: MrMe)
Another        | http://www.eskimo.com/~mrme
Cuba -- XTC    | I used to be temporarily insane!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Now I'm just stupid! -- Brak
Yeah.

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From: Jdmack01@aol.com
Message-ID: <aab29846.34d93a9c@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 23:05:46 EST
Subject: Celine to XTC

On Celine's last album, some of the orchestrations were by Andrew Jackman.
Andrew Jackman also provided them orchestrations on Chris Squire's "Fish Out
Of Water ( Yes bassist solo album).  The drummer on "Fish Out Of Water" was
Bill Bruford, of King Crimson fame, etc., ectc.

Actually, the first link knocked me for a loop when I first read the credits.
I'm a huge Yes fan, and not only did Andrew Jackman do the orchestrations for
Chris's album, but he played in a pre-Yes band called "The Syn" with Chris
Squire and Peter Banks (Yes's first guitarist).  How did he end up getting the
Celine Dion gig???

J.D. Mack
http://members.aol.com/jdmack01
MIDI, music, and more

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Message-ID: <34D9393F.167B0A02@MCI.com>
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 20:59:59 -0700
From: Jeffrey Langr <Jeffrey.Langr@MCI.com>
Subject: verboten!

CRIPES, this digest is getting tough.  To be PC (postingly
correct), none of:

a) criticizing XTC, especially Nonesuch
b) doing the 6 degrees of separation bit
c) listening to demos.

So I'll just resort to a different tired Chalkhills formula for
my post; namely, the "what influenced what Dukes songs" bit.
My quick question then: I recently heard an early Traffic song
that features a little girl's voice talking about an
albatross.  Very much like the Psonic Psunspot stuff.  Anyone
able to name the tune?  I can't recall anyone on this list
specifically mentioning Traffic as a Dukes influence.

*J*

PS - After 5 years+ of no new XTC product, people are surprised
     that topics get beaten to death?  Suggestion: compare the
     relative stability of this list to others -- subscribe to
     the Radiohead list: awesome music, awesomely stupid and
     painful posts.

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Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980205075639.006a277c@pop.mindspring.com>
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 01:56:39 -0600
From: "Jason 'Buffy' NeSmith" <jnesmith@mindspring.com>
Subject: The odd boy laid down by the football field...

The talk on the hill turns to things Bonzo in nature, and Buffy has an
outburst...

>Ms. Plum seemed to think:
>> Bonzo albums are hard to come across these days, so I'm not even going
>> to try.

Andrew Lippitt replied:
>
>If you mean vinyl, Amanda, maybe you're right.  Plenty of CD's
>available, though.  One-Way has reissued most of 'em, and they are
>available at Tunes.com and CD Now, and probably at yer fa-vor-ite music
>type shoppe.
>
>Now if they only carried a certain CD of cover tunes...

Okay, I give up trying to not promote my new tape.  If this is any hint at
what it's like, the only cover song on it is of the Bonzo Dog Band's 'Sport
(the Odd Boy).'   I recorded it in the hopes of being the one unknown lucky
bastard to get on the yet-to-materialize Bonzo Dog Band tribute album.  If
this had happened, I might have shared diskspace with none other than George
Harrison, Negativland and XTC.  I'm not kidding.  My cover did actually get
as far as Gus Dudgeon & Larry 'Legs' Smith's ears, so I consider it a
success as it stands.

If anyone wants more information on obtaining the whole cassette album for
$8 ppd (Casper Fandango & his Tiny Sick Tears "How's Your Hand?"), e-mail me
privately.  I didn't contribute to the CC97 tape, but I might next time.  I
have yet to find the right masterpiece to butcher.  I did, however,
contribute to the long-forgotten Chalkhills Originals' tape, which seems to
have suffered the same watery fate as Atlantis.

I hope and pray that the orchestral stuff makes it on the new album.  Pop
music is constantly in need of innovative composing and arranging.  Van Dyke
Parks' 'Song Cycle', anyone?  If anyone can have fun with a bunch of oboes I
bet it's XTC.

>From: Mitch Friedman <mitchf@mindspring.com>

>On a different subject altogether, I know this idea has been brought up
>several times in the past but has never been acted on however this time I
>think maybe it should be.  Since XTC is now in the position of having to
>shell out their own money to make and distribute their music and since that
>money seems to be hard to come by and since there is no evil demonic record
>company in the way of them receiving a cash gift and doing with it what they
>like . . . what does everyone think of the idea of me collecting however
>much money anyone thinks is appropriate to send (along with a list of who
>contributed) and then when it reaches a nice tidy sum, sending it as a gift
>to XTC to help them pay for whatever they need it for? It would be
>my/their/and ultimately your pleasure.

Send along more details.  I would love to be part of the group of people
that helped put the next XTC record out!

And BTW, Jason Garcia, I'm still listening to 'Resort'

now playing: The High Llamas 'Hawaai'
Lookit Meee! rekkids...
http://www.mindspring.com/~jnesmith

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From: ERA1970@aol.com
Message-ID: <35991a5.34d96fae@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 02:52:12 EST
Subject: more blasphemy?

i have an issue i would like to raise which i fear i will get a lot of flak
for,but here goes: some months ago i had asked if anyone knew where i could
get a copy of the demos that everyone was talking about/discussing/reviewing,
etc. I was given an e-mail address to write to. When i did,i was promptly told
that the cd would cost me $16.00 plus s&h!  Am I the only one who thinks that
is a bit exhorbitant to charge for work that is not your own? I know for a
fact that the actual cost of materials is only 1-2 dollars! Is Andy Partridge
seeing any of this money?  Many thanks go out to Bob from Cleveland who was
nice enough to send me a free tape of the demos,and also to Amanda,who sent
Bob his tape. I don't mind paying a little,but I just think this was a little
outrageous? Does anyone agree with me,or am I just being petty and cheap?

"Music is the best"
--F.Zappa

T.T.F.N.
Chris W.

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From: sean_robison@freya.CP.Disney.com
Message-Id: <9802048866.AA886619048@cpsmtp.cp.disney.com>
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 98 18:03:33 -0800
Subject: Demos n' Nonsuch

     From Mitch --

          Andy thought it was a shame that everyone had heard most of the
          demos because he thinks a good part of the surprise of a totally
          new batch of songs is now lost.

     On a selfish note, I'm happy I never succumbed to the little voice
     buried deep in my cerebellum pestering me to ask for the demos. Maybe
     once the album is out, I'll think of something I can trade for the
     unreleased demos.

          In addition he's concerned that those of us who have been
          listening to the demos for quite a while may not like the studio
          versions if they veer even a little bit from the demo versions
          which they surely will in several instances. I assured him that
          hardly anyone has heard more than half of the songs that will be
          on the album and had the demos not become available the interest
          in the band may have waned a bit more than would have been
          healthy at this point and either way all the real fans will buy
          the album no matter what.

     Exactly! I doubt we would have been the beneficiaries of such a
     wonderful catalog of songs had Andy et al actually followed through
     with record company execs' ideas and suggestions. While it might come
     off as arrogant, Andy shouldn't really worry about what we think. By
     this point, most of us trust his musical instincts. Besides, if he DID
     veer from the demos, that would give the people who have heard the
     demos a chance to be pleasantly surprised by the new disc.

          Andy also noted that he thought some of the orchestral things
          might really piss people off and he based this on some of the
          Chalkhills printouts he has been reading from the past few years
          in which Nonsuch was not as well liked as he thought. I mentioned
          that XTC has never made a bad album and I'm sure there have
          always been people who have had a hard time adjusting to the new
          directions the band has taken with each new release and this one
          should be no different but maybe the fact that people have heard
          some of the demos beforehand will make this album a little easier
          to accept and get used to.

     From this fan's perspective, Nonsuch was a great album. Dispite a weak
     lyric here and there, Nonsuch was the most polished, mature sounding
     album they've ever released. Plus, any band that doesn't challenge
     themselves and their sound over time are bound to become stale,
     leaving only the die-hardest of die-hard fans wanting the next cd.
     There's something wonderful being able to discover new sounds and
     elements and hooks over several listens instead of having the same old
     thing thrust in one's face from the start.

     Sean

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Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980205100024.00935210@smtpgw.ametsoc.org>
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 10:00:24 -0500
From: David Gershman <dgershmn@ametsoc.org>
Subject: Some good ideas indeed...

Just a few short comments...

Mitch suggested:
>On a different subject altogether, I know this idea has been brought up
>several times in the past but has never been acted on however this time I
>think maybe it should be.  Since XTC is now in the position of having to
>shell out their own money to make and distribute their music and since that
>money seems to be hard to come by and since there is no evil demonic record
>company in the way of them receiving a cash gift and doing with it what they
>like . . . what does everyone think of the idea of me collecting however
>much money anyone thinks is appropriate to send (along with a list of who
>contributed) and then when it reaches a nice tidy sum, sending it as a gift
>to XTC to help them pay for whatever they need it for? It would be
>my/their/and ultimately your pleasure.

Excellent suggestion and, coming from you, who can truly offer us a clear
path from our wallets to the band's, a very realistic one as well. Count me
in! Just let us know where to send it...

keone@ix.netcom.com suggested:
>So hearing Andy's demos will spoil the effect of the new album?  Sure,
>but ONLY if you imprint every note into your memory by listening to them
>over and over and over...
>
>SOLUTION:  Stop listening  -- NOW!
>
>You've had a taste of what the songs are, now put the tape away and hum
>them from memory for the next six or so months.  When "Firework"
>arrives, the tunes will seem like old friends dressed up in new
>clothes.  And you won't be disappointed...
>
>Come on, use some will power!

Now why didn't someone think of this earlier? I should point out that I
have *not* been among those worried that, due to hearing the demos, the new
songs wouldn't thrill me the way they should (I know they will, more than I
can even imagine), but from this point on, I'm going to make it a point NOT
to listen to the demos until after the song comes out. Not only will this
achieve the "old friends" thing mentioned above, but it will also make me
feel like I'm doing something to help speed the album's release, sort of a
Gandhi-like fasting, if you will (or even if you won't). I can just hear
Andy now: "My god, boys, we simply MUST get this thing in the racks by
August! Dave Gershman hasn't heard our bootlegged demos in nigh over 6
months! Let's MOVE IT!"

And finally, Mandy Taylor mused:
>It's one thing I've learnt, and it seems to be v.common with other
>fans judging by the constant remarks about it, is the uncanny way XTC
>grow on you, or else sneak up behind and bloody grab you by the
>throat. (Church Of Women -not a particular favourite- happened to
>enter my head, so I went to listen to it, and whadda you know but I
>could hardly breathe as I was listening to it, it was that honest and
>sweet..that sort of thing, you know?). So anyway, what I wanted to
>and should have just said in the first place, is that after all this
>experience of listening to XTC, is that I just have faith in them.

Beautifully put, Mandy...I couldn't agree with you more. Thank you.

Till we meet again on yonder 'Hills,

Dave Gershman

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Message-Id: <199802051510.PAA26693@pip.maires.co.uk>
From: "Stephen Clarke" <S.Clarke@nopres.co.uk>
Organization: NOP Research
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:09:09 +0000
Subject: CC'97 - my two cents worth

Firstly a big thanks and slap on the back to Richard P-A and Peter
Fitz on doing a fine job on the tape and CD .

to anyone who's been trying to contact me - I can be reached at
s.clarke@nopres.co.uk (yes i'm the english steve clarke).

yes I *do* sound a bit like thomas dolby as a result of an obsession
with david bowie in my vocally impressionable youth. (I'm over it now
though).

for those of you that haven't yet got your copy of CC'97 - here's my
capsule review.

REAL BY REAL - Harrison Sherwood
harrison turns in a manic slice of electro-thrash staying true to the
spirit of the original while adding his own slant - I love it.

SUMMER GRASS - Simon Knight
simon and linda have performed drastic surgery stitching together two
skylarking tracks and created a duet with light poppy synth and
campfire guitar.

EASTER THEATRE - Jason Garcia
mr. garcia is a very brave man to attempt this song, it is bastard
difficult - he does a nice job though - the walrus was jason.

DOWN A PEG - Randy Christopher
beatley guitar chops, jangling 12 string, dave gregory style lead
breaks, fine vocal harmonies - this is a real gem (I haven't heard the
song before - good isn't it).

BLUE OVERALL - Eric Adcock
eric's done a grandiose orchestral arrangement of the bluesy big
express track - just him and a soundblaster card (why doesn't my pc
sound this good ?)

DEAR MADAM BARNUM - Ira Leiman
just ira accompanying himself on synth and conjuring up images of the
monty python organist. a good minimalist solo effort.

SEAGULLS SCREAMING KISS HER, KISS HER - Naoyuki Isogai
sung in japanese with ukelele, accordian, recorder and sexy
backing vocals from tomoko - this is my favourite track on the album -
george formby on acid.

TRAFFIC LIGHT ROCK - Marshall Armintor
kind of iggy pop / nick cave vocals and the guitar defies description
- better than the original.

DEAR GOD - Jennifer Geese
jennifer very bravely does the whole song acapella. eat your heart out
sarah mclachan (oh and jen, if you need a backing track next time give
me a call).

TOYS - Steve Clarke
I've heard the bloody track too often now - it was fun, though,
phoning up phil, the trumpeter and playing him mixes of his solo with
distortion, flange reverse gate and all manner of other silly effects.

THE BALLAD OF PETER PUMPKINHEAD - Ed Miller
ed gives this a laid back latin folk treatment with a bitchin' cabasa
part (no really).

LIFE IS GOOD IN THE GREENHOUSE - JD SMX.
a kind of avant garde go+ / lure of salvage treatment - like those it
grows on you.

WRAPPED IN GREY - Peter Fitzpatrick
the most professionally produced track on the album - stunning digital
clarity (you must do a song at the next fan convention, peter).

PUNCH AND JUDY - Randy Posynick
shame the great drum part of the original is missing but good vocals,
trombone and power drill  (you'll just have to buy the tape and see).

THE MOLE FROM THE MINISTRY - Christopher Moll
I take it back, the walrus was Chris - very close to the original,
which is no mean feat.

ONE OF THE MILLIONS - Dave Gershman
after a note perfect intro (twiddly bit), slips into a kind of
joy division treatment.

SNOWMAN - Mark Cuevas
wow, another ambitious choice and it's perfect, even down to the
frosty reverse gate vocals (gets a bit ruben blades on the fade out
too).

OVER RUSTY WATER - Richard Pedretti-Allen
richard, you are brain eno in disguise aren't you - go on admit it.

I had a lot more to say but I'm conscious of hogging a whole digest to
myself with this marathon post

I'll send more details about my own recording to ed miller as
requested soon.

thanks for your patience  -  buy the tape

Steve Clarke

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Message-ID: <34D9CC44.5607@yha.attnet.or.jp>
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 23:27:17 +0900
From: Colin <cseditas@yha.attnet.or.jp>
Subject: "Sacred" Pop

AP DEMOS
In response to anger that we should be discussing AP's demos (Chalkhills
4-49, "Driving me loco." Sorry to have caused offence. Here are my
reasons for being interested in what people have to say about the demos.

1. 	"Please can we stop this. Andy gets to read some of this stuff."
"Andy" is a big boy now. I'm sure after 20 odd years in the business, he
has the confidence to make his own choices as regards his new material
without bothering about what any of us should say.

2.
These are DEMOS. It's like an appetizer. If I read the text of a play,
it's not going to spoil an actual performance, is it? I KNOW it's not
XTC and I know it wasn't intended for the general public. But, after
all, we aren't the general public (see below).

3.	"Who are we to judge what is on or not on the new album?"
Well, I don't think anyone is 'judging' because surely no one assumes
that our opinions REALLY matter to the men making the record. I don't
see the band scanning our print outs and thinking, "Oh people are
slagging off 'Nonsuch', lets try this instead. . ."

And, actually we are among the most 'XTC literate' group of people, so
yes, I think we are entitled to talk about ANYTHING that we come across,
even in its undeveloped state. What else is this list for? It seems a
legitimate conversation topic for a starving, XTC hungry crowd. After
hearing AP demos, I can hardly talk about them to my work-mates
(XTwho?).

4.
If you haven't heard the demos, nothing that is said about them by the
likes of me can possibly spoil your enjoyment of hearing the finished
product. Furthermore, if you don't want to read about the demos, don't.
It's simple. If you're not interested, fair enough. Don't listen.

If you "just want to hear new music by XTC, when XTC is ready for us to
hear it" then don't get the demos. Painless and simple.

5.	THIS IS POP!
Why talk about this like it's a "sacred" matter? I would have thought
that taste and opinion is pretty hard to be so absolute (religious)
about.

COLIN S.

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From: suzanne_cerquone@stercomm.com
Message-Id: <9802058866.AA886695740@mail.autocatalog.com>
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 98 11:19:57 -0500
Subject: Raising $$$ for XTC

>>what does everyone think of the idea of me collecting however
much money anyone thinks is appropriate to send (along with a list of who
contributed) and then when it reaches a nice tidy sum, sending it as a gift
to XTC to help them pay for whatever they need it for? It would be
my/their/and ultimately your pleasure.<<

Mitch,
I think this is a great idea, so count me in.  Recently fans of Marillion
and their mailing list "Freaks" (yes, it was me mentioning Marillion and
Dave Gregory before...) raised a whopping $60,000 for Marillion to tour the
States, as they often can't afford it or don't have label backing to do so.
The band was very overwhelmed and made it an extra special tour.  I think we
could do the same for XTC to help speed along their studio album.  Maybe as
a thank you back they could thank us in the liner notes!

On a similar note, I've seen mention that some Chalkhillers have heard the
demos to XTC's forthcoming album.  I would LOVE to get a copy of these
demos, if possible.  Please respond off-list.  Thanks!

--Suzanne

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Message-ID: <211D4A0926D2D011859E0060972D88482B22CA@azmail.rjconsult.com>
From: "Miller, Ed" <emiller@rjconsult.com>
Subject: Don't tell me what NOT to post, okay?
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:28:38 -0700

Michael Kerns wrote:

>PLEASE.. can we stop this? Apparently Andy gets to read some of this stuff.
>Of course he's way above all this pointless discussion. Who the hell are we
>to judge what should be put on/left off the upcoming album? I've heard some
>of the demos. So what? Wait until you buy and hear the finished product,
>then judge! Until then, I don't care to be one of, or hear from, the
>so-called "in-the-know" people. Actually I don't mind reading posts from
>those who have talked with members of XTC, but 'the situation regarding
>what's in/out/undecided?' PLEASE STOP!!!.

No, Michael, we can't stop this.  First of all, this list is not for
Andy.  It's for Andy's biggest and most dedicated fans. Whether or not
he's above the discussion on this list is irrelevant.

I don't feel any of us should judge what's on the next album either, but
who am I (or you) to dictate this to the other 1200 or so members of
this list?

As long as the discussion relates (rather loosely sometimes) to XTC, I
think it's fair game.

You also wrote:

>I just want to hear new music from
>XTC, when XTC feels it is ready for us to hear it. Sorry, but this is sacred
>to me.

This is kind of creepy to me.  And, if you have to apologize in advance,
maybe you already know that this is YOUR problem, not everyone elses.

Ed

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Message-ID: <n1325455080.23474@mac.aaos.org>
Date: 5 Feb 1998 09:03:00 U
From: "Wiencek, Dan" <wiencek@mac.aaos.org>
Subject: Help the band?

Mitch:

I remember the last time passing the hat for the band was discussed, someone
said that a gift like that would be a tax nightmare for the guys.  I don't
see that their current situation is any different, but if it is, I'd happily
contribute a few bucks.  Who's in the know on this?

And if they ever officially release the album demos, I'd want them to call
it ... "Wick."

Dan/IL

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Subject: Re: Top 20 British Guitarists, Plus a Few
From: wwilson@mail07.mitre.org (Wesley H. Wilson)
Message-Id: <980205124730.7023@mail07.mitre.org.0>
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 98 12:47:32 -0500

Glad to see Andy made the list of Top 20 British Guitarists. Steve Hillage
should have made that list! Ever hear "Motivation Radio"?

Guitar fans, keep an eye on the guitarist of The Seahorses. Check out their
LP "Do It Yourself" for some nifty riffs and nice guitar runs reminiscent of
Jimmy Page's style in early, early Led Zep.

Good news for Stephen Duffy fans that the LP "I Love My Friends" will finally
be out. I'm also looking forward to Nick Heyward's new one, "Apple Bed."

Wes

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From: "Trent Turner" <trent.turner@mci.com>
Subject: Money for Somesuch! - Yes
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:42:22 -0700
Message-Id: <19980205184257.YLCV452@tturner.cos.mcit.com>

Our good buddy Mitch said:
Since XTC is now in the position of having to
shell out their own money to make and distribute their music and since that
money seems to be hard to come by and since there is no evil demonic record
company in the way of them receiving a cash gift and doing with it what they
like . . . what does everyone think of the idea of me collecting however
much money anyone thinks is appropriate to send (along with a list of who
contributed) and then when it reaches a nice tidy sum, sending it as a gift
to XTC to help them pay for whatever they need it for? It would be
my/their/and ultimately your pleasure.

I like this idea!  I'll send some.  I also think it's important this is seen
as a gift.

Let me know!

Respectfully,
Trent Turner
ichat: trentturner

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From: "KIMBERLY MARTIN" <KMAR0971@Mercury.GC.PeachNet.EDU>
Organization: Gainesville College, Univ Sys of GA
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 13:57:48 EST5EDT
Subject: celine dion
Message-ID: <1FBAFA0119C@Mercury.GC.PeachNet.EDU>

chalk-mongers!
Tis me, Kimberly, who hasn't posted in quite a long time...
so, no fewer than 6 degrees between xtc and celine dion?  This isn't
exactly according to the rules (no musician/producer/etc links) but I
just couldn't resist:

celine dion is from canada, canada was settled by
the british, the british are from england, and so is...xtc!

small world, eh??

AHHHhhhhahahah...so, anyway, part of my long absence was spent
AMONGST the british...for 10 days in mid-December I was privileged
enough to be flown to england, stay in london, travel the english
contryide, all courtesy of scholarship money from my school.
Unfortunately, I did not get to see the Uffington horse.  I got to
see West-Kennett Long-Barrow, Avery, a DIFFERENT chalk horse (about
30 minutes south of Swindon), and other west-country sites, but I
could not talk my host into driving me to xtc-land!!  Oh well.  Next
time.  I won't bore you with any more details of my visit, except
that I LOVE THE U.K.!!!!!!!  ahh.  Swinging London.  I fell in love!!
well, gotta go run errands, but I'll be back soon...
Kimberly L. Martin

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