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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 4, Number 44

                Wednesday, 21 January 1998

Today's Topics:

                        ISO "Jas"
                       Cynical Daze
                   Brian Stevens--help
              found this for sale on usenet
                       .cte ,kebzay
                Hmmm, I smell......Duckie.
                     FINALLY! (CC97)
                 Smell my many smells...
                     A Wounded Horse
                Twin Cities get together?
              memorabilia . . . what if. ..
                     Reference point
             Chalkhills' Children 97 Shipment
        Gimlet-Eyed Difford Kicks Orphans, Puppies
                    scents and smells
                     Live CD auction
                  Testing... testing...
                  Chalkhills Children 97
                        Cool Pics


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Message-Id: <v01540b08b0ddaac2bbe6@[]>
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 16:47:23 -0600
From: (James Dignan)
Subject: ISO "Jas"

Jas sent me an email message yesterday - "Best all NZ music of '97" - but
my disk ate it before I had a chance to read it - if you're out there Jas -
can you send it again please?


 James Dignan___________________________________               You talk to me
 Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University               As if from a distance
 ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street               And I reply. . . . . . . . . .
 Dunedin, New Zealand               with impressions chosen from another time
 steam megaphone (03) 455-7807               (Brian Eno - "By this River")


Message-Id: <>
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:34:42 +0000
From: Simon Sleightholm <>
Subject: Cynical Daze

From: "Matt Keeley" <>

>I don't know.. it might just be me, but when did "cynical" become a

That was something I was trying to express.  Cynicism, for me at least, is a
vital tool to survival in the modern world, and maybe it always has been.
Taking everything at face value is a dangerous practice; I suppose "cynical"
can be a criticism - as anything can - if it's an attribute one feels
particularly averse to; the same way that the epithet "liberal" can be an
much an insult as it can a thing of pride depending on the stance of the

I didn't retract the word "cynical" because I wanted to disown the notion of
cynicism as a useful process, but because I felt it was not fully applicable
to the song in question, and I'd made an error in applying it.  The song
isn't so much cynical as sarcastic, I feel.

And Hail Mitch! for the news update.  The master tapes and all add yet
another intrigue to the career of XTC, which seems to resemble more and more
some Jacobean court scandal.  How much ill fortune and trial can one band be
expected to bear?  It makes we want to spit, it really does.

From: Peter Fitzpatrick <>

>>What smell comes to mind during an XTC song ?
>>"Summer's Cauldron"......

In 1986 I was totally, completely, utterly and unrequitedly in love with a
girl called Lesley Summers. Thus "Summer's Cauldron" conjured all _kinds_ of
squalid imagery in my puerile mind.

I was listening to Skylarking recently and, possibly as a result of oxygen
deprivation, I was suddenly struck by the melodic similarity between "The
Man Who Sailed Around His Soul" and the theme song from the woefully-dubbed
70s Euro-swashbuckler "The Flashing Blade", erstwhile stalwart of the UK
summer holiday TV schedules.  This link has stuck now, and I can't listen to
the track without recalling the preponderance of plastic sword/best mate's
eye incidents that characterised those days (not quite as dangerous an
influence as Ernie Devlin, but it did start a worrying trend for capes made
out of curtains in our area).

"You've got to fight for what you want, for all that you believe..."

Oh, and major congrats to Cheryl for her Masters Degree.  Well done, my

And best of 98 for you all.


-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-  (
An XTC resource - "Saving it all up for you..."


Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:45:29 -0500 (EST)
From: Kevin Keeler <>
Subject: Brian Stevens--help
Message-ID: <>

Hello, everyone.  Slightly off topic post, but I figured this to be the
best place to get the information that I am looking for.
	I d/l'd the Brian Stevens mp2 selections a few months ago and
finally decided to buy the album.  After casually checking around
everywhere I knew of that sold CD's, I realized I would have to order it.
So I put i nmy request at borders, and (after a break-neck 5 weeks) they
finally told me that they couldnt find anywhere that had it. So I tried
CDnow and cduniverse and cdeurope and cdeverything and siren recrds, etc.
None of them evenhad Brian stevens in the database.  They weren't sold out
or no stoick...they had no record of they Guy.  SO now I'm at a lose.
	But the whole ordeal has made me ven more dedicated to get
"prettier than You".  so I am enlisting the help of anyone
 who will offer.  Tell me where to go or who p call or even get it
yourself and make me send you shipping mney and cost and a  tip oir
whatever! I want it!
so long....


Message-ID: <711E5B56586DCF11BAF100805F38C439033820A6@DUB-03-MSG>
From: Peter Fitzpatrick <>
Subject: found this for sale on usenet
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:06:02 -0800

for some strange reason it was in the NG.


Dear serious XTC collector!!
Available Now
XTC English Settlement rare Jpn original LP
W/Obi&2inner EX/M
Mamma rare Jpn original LP
W/Obi&inner M/M
Price = Please ask me!! UKpound, US$ OK!!
Wants Lists welcome!!
Toshikazu Okada 2-15-13, Kudo, Oji-cho, Nara-Ken,zip636, Japan
E-mail <>

There, that's it. (as far as I know an "obi" is the Japanese paper strip
that adorns their releases . . )



Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 19:15:32 -0500 (EST)
Message-Id: <v03007802b0dec340cb44@[]>
From: Mitch Friedman <>
Subject: DGCD?

To respond to Phil Hetherington's request/suggestion of Dave pressing up
more of his CDs and making them available through Chalkhills, I would
seriously doubt that this is going to happen any time soon. Dave originally
sent me a tape of his covers earlier this year and after listening to them
and suggesting to him that the people of Chalkhills would eat the stuff up,
he replied that he was very nervous about making any of his covers available
for legal reasons, i.e. he did not get permission from any of the original
artists to do the covers in the first place and the last thing he wants to
happen is for someone to find out that money is being exchanged and someone
in XTC is involved in something that may be illegal. He's also a bit shy
about sharing his very personal home recordings which feature his singing
voice (though I sure think he sings pretty well but he doesn't). All of this
now said, I was extremely surprised that he then went and pressed up 30
copies and actually sent them to some people so shortly after he nixed the
whole idea of going public with his hobby.  Even Andy hadn't heard more than
4 or 5 of Dave's recordings. So I guess there is some hope for this stuff to
become available one day but don't count on it.


Message-ID: <>
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:58:21 -0500
From: Ira Lieman <>
Organization: Ogilvy & Mather
Subject: .cte ,kebzay

Hey Chalkhawumba. (Is that how we spell it?)

Julie and I hosted Ben Gott this weekend and attempted to show him a
good time in NYC...the Yazbek show was great (and Ben's roadie
impression was fantastic!). The Chinese food was OK -- I mean, mine was
OK, but I stayed away from anything with the word STOMACH or INTESTINE
on the menu. It was great to see Yazbek, Chris Van Valen and Jackie and
Tim Kendrick again, and it was great to FINALLY meet Mitch
was like the Chalkhills get-together we were talking about, but never
had in 1997. :)

Unfortunately, I didn't take pictures. :( Oh well. There's another
Yazbek show in a couple of weeks. We'll try to make it there too.



From: LadyCPlum <>
Message-ID: <>
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:07:09 EST
Subject: Hmmm, I smell......Duckie.
Organization: AOL (

But I'll get to that in a minute. In the meantime, drumroll please....


Matt Keeley-Why didn't you get a copy of Remoulds? Don't worry, you'll get
one. Just change your gender and obsess after Dave Gregory , and BAM! It's
bound to show up on your doorstep!!!

Phil-As far as I know, there will be no bootlegs of Remoulds floating around.
Although I've gotten several requests for copies of the cd, out of respect for
Dave and his work, I can't copy anything. I'm not sure how anyone else who has
the cd feels about that, but I won't do it. As far as more copies being
pressed, well that's all up to Dave.

Ben-:P  :)

Peter-Smells? Interesting idea. (See how antsy we're getting, people???)
Lessee...what smells come to mind when I hear XTC ongs.
Well, Love on a Farmboy's Wages always brought to mind hay, chicken feed and
cow crap.

The illustrious Mitch-Like I said, Gregsy should know better than to drink
so much.  But I'm not his mother, he wants to screw his blood sugar up, he
can go right ahead.

And tis all for now!
XTC song of the day-Rook
non XTC song-The Mummer's Dance-Loreena McKennitt
semi-sort of XTC song-And How Am I To Know?-Dave Gregory
PS-Anybody know who the original artist who did that song is? It's an
incredible song.


Message-Id: <72EDB966944AD1118DC90080D82074881C15E5@ex-campus2>
From: "Pedretti-Allen, Richard" <>
Subject: FINALLY! (CC97)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:51:13 -0800

I have been awaiting the Chalkhills Children 97 CDs for the contributors
before sending out the tapes.  The good news is that I just received the
CDs a few minutes ago (10:45 am, 12jan98).  I will be packaging up the
stuff tonight and will ship by Wednesday.

By the way, I have plenty of the CC96 tapes.

Cheers, Richard

p.s. Peter has outdone himself with these CDs!  The things are


Message-ID: <>
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:19:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Cheryl <>
Subject: Smell my many smells...

Happy New Year Everyone!

>What smell comes to mind during an XTC song ?

>think of
>"Summer Cauldron"......
>"Life Begins at the Hop".....
>"Big Day"...

"Summer Cauldron" - Whenever I hear this song it takes
me to a morning when I was driving to work.  It was
spring/summer and it was slightly chilly still, but it
smelled of dew and fresh air.  I can almost smell
the air and feel the wind on me as if I were
on my way to work again.  *sigh*  One of my few
good memories of New Mexico.

"Black Sea" - It's a shame, but whenever
I listen to this CD, it's like I'm sick allllllll over
again.  I remember I had to leave work because
I was just so ill and as I was passing the local
CD shop I couldn't resist stopping to buy this CD.
I took it home and listened to it while in a state
of delirium and now associate this album with
being sick....

"Life Begins at the Hop" - This doesn't have a
particular 'smell' to it but if I were to conjure
up a smell it would probably be of sweat.
Dancing like a manic with my friends was
a typical hobby of mine as a teen.  Yea...
*lots* of sweat.

>So Chris Difford is withholding the master tapes
>that were done at his studio until he gets
>his money and in the meantime XTC will just
> have to hope he will return them before they
>finish recording whatever new stuff they are
> working on at Chipping Norton.
Ah! That Bastard!  Can't XTC ever get a break?!

Counting the hours, days and months til the new album


Message-Id: <>
From: "Mark Strijbos" <>
Organization: The Little Lighthouse
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:32:42 +0000
Subject: A Wounded Horse

Dear Chalkers,

Regarding the Amanda's Xmas present Simon said:

> B) Why didn't I get one?
> Is it because I said I'm partial to the early XTC?  I mean, the late
> XTC is great too...

The _late_ XTC ???  AFAIK they're just pining for the fjords...

> Anyway, Dave was a good replacement for Barry...
> Where's my CD?!  8)

Well, I didn't get one either!
So now I'm considering a sex change ;)

BTW: Dave wasn't merely "a good replacement" of course
His arrival had a big impact on their sound and style - much bigger
than Terry leaving them in '83.

As Bill said in the last issue:
> what I should have said was that on the first few albums XTC were
> too spastic, jerky, etc. to hold my interest over an entire album.

This is exactly how I reacted to my first exposure to XTC way back in
1978 and IMHO much of this  jerkiness came from Barry's
"clapped-out organ" (Arf arf!)

Whip out your copies of Drums And Wires and listen to those
finely interwoven, delicate guitar licks again and again; preferably
through headphones.
Or listen to the Battery Brides live Bside and compare
it to the album version. XTC as we know & love it did not start
properly until Dave joined and I really feel he should be considered
a founding member.

>  your AP autographed copy of Nonsvch is sitting
> at Amoeba records on Haight St., for something like $5.99

Could somebody please get it for this 'rabid collector' (hi, Dewitt)

yours in ecstasy,

Mark Strijbos at The Little Lighthouse
 the XTC website @


Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:57 -0700 (MST)
From: Dewitt Henderson <>
Subject: OK
Message-Id: <19980113195416.ODX28757@[]>

'ello -

To whomever defended Radiohead's 'OK Computer' at my expense,
right on... I was merely saying that I couldn't get into it,
not that it was a bad album inherently.

Thank you, Mitch Friedman, for continued updates.  After all
this time, it's amazing to read of actual *recording* taking


Message-Id: <>
From: "Greg Singer" <>
Subject: Twin Cities get together?
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:05:16 -0600

Fellow XTC-ites,

Sorry that St. Louis doesn't have enough
active fans for an XTC party, but what
about us folks in the colder nether-regions?

Email me privately to express your interest.
I don't know of enough fellow fans. How
about a listening party.

Greg Singer
A long time fan.

Life's too short to drink cheap beer.


Message-ID: <711E5B56586DCF11BAF100805F38C43903CA861A@DUB-03-MSG>
From: Peter Fitzpatrick <>
Subject: memorabilia . . . what if. ..
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:29:33 -0800

Here's one to think about

what if XTC had been world conquering throughout the '80s ? (in much the
same way as the beatles in '64)

what memorbilia do you think would be surfacing in "rawk and roll

"XTC wallpaper" anyone ? "XTC lunchbox" ?.......or a complete set of "Andy,
Colin, Dave, Terry & Barry dolls" (worth more in their unopened boxes of
course !)



Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 01:55:51 -0800
Message-Id: <v01510100b0e245f58be8@[]>
From: (Mark Fisher)
Subject: Reference point

Fans in Scotland may be intrigued to know that composer John Irvine has
buried a couple of XTC references in the score to the forthcoming theatre
production of Quiet Night In by KtC Theatre Company, playing at the Tron
Theatre, Glasgow, January 21-24, and the Traverse Theatre, Edinburgh,
January 29-February 1.

I don't know what the musical allusions are, but Irvine has done this a
couple of times before (knowing that I'll be the only one in the audience
who's likely to spot it). One show he did for the Traverse featured a
section heavily influenced by one of the tracks on Go+, for example.


Message-Id: <72EDB966944AD1118DC90080D82074881C1604@ex-campus2>
Subject: Chalkhills' Children 97 Shipment
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:21:04 -0800

Tapes and CDs were mailed today!
Tapes and CDs were mailed today!
Tapes and CDs were mailed today!
Tapes and CDs were mailed today!

The US purchasers should get theirs by Saturday, foreign purchasers
within two weeks (sorry, that's the best the post office can do

I'll likely be off to attend my father's funeral next week, so if there
is any reason that you'd like to contact me, email me but don't expect a
response until the week of January 26.  (To the person who publicly
posted their derision about shipment delays... I'll mail yours when I
get back.

...just kidding, but learn some tact.)

There are still plenty of CC96 left (maybe 40?) and LOTS of CC97 left.
Remember, if you order both, it lowers the cost per tape so low that
even students can afford them.

To Contributors:  You are receiving a CD in place of one tape.  If you
only ordered one tape, in addition to the CD you were sent a cassette
J-card so that you can make some cassette copies with proper labelling.
Thanks for all the well-wishes!  I hope you enjoy the music.



Message-ID: <>
From: "Sherwood, Harrison" <>
Subject: Gimlet-Eyed Difford Kicks Orphans, Puppies
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:42:33 -0500

>From: Mitch Friedman <>
>... the bit of ugliness involving Chris Difford. Seems that
>he's demanding a whole lot of money for the studio that wasn't ready whether
>or not XTC actually used it or the engineer he provided, not to mention the
>$4000 barn he rented them to live in for what only turned out to be a week
>or so instead of the months that were planned. So Chris Difford is
>witholding the master tapes that were done at his studio until he gets his
>money ....

Jeeze Crize, isn't this just about fucking _disillusioning_? Chris
Difford: Exploiting Swine and Blood-sucking Landlord.... This, from the
co-author of "She Doesn't Have to Shave," "Separate Beds," "Is That
Love," and countless other rueful hymns to equality and the democratic
spirit. Hunh. Next we'll hear Elvis Costello regularly beats the living
kapok out of his wife and David Byrne keeps little iron minstrel-show
jockeys on his lawn 'cos he thinks they're so cute-n-funny.

>From: Peter Fitzpatrick <>

>What smell comes to mind during an XTC song ?

Peter's invitation to a Proustian procession through the smoke rings of
my mind has conjured in me a reverie so powerfully nostalgic that I'm
afraid I can only arouse myself from Mnemosyne's laudanum-scented arms
long enough to mutter, "Too Many Cooks in the Kitchen... cinnabar...
rust... mucilage... dried plasticine... fresh...human...blood...."

Harrison "Hey, who put the Spanish Fly in my madeleine?" Sherwood


Message-Id: <>
From: Kate L Burda/ALDRICH <Kate_L_Burda/>
Date: 15 Jan 98 11:22:54
Subject: get-together

Any Milwaukee/Madison/Chicago-area 'hillians interested in getting together
some Saturday for good times, good food and good music (XTC, of course!).
If interested, e-mail me (Kate Burda) at, or Jennifer Geese
( with possible dates.



Message-Id: <>
From: steve mcallister <>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 98 15:40:00 -0600
Subject: scents and smells

oh how long I've waited for the mention of the song/smell relation.
 The things this nose has witnessed would astound.  Here are the
songs that give me the most prominent and recurring olfactory

Wake Up - stale breath of cigarette and beer.  probably my own
All of a Sudden - dust
Shake Your Donkey Up - cleaning stables on a hot summer day in Missouri
Pink Thing - soiled daiper, talc, and, oddly, lubricant  (bleach?)
Generals & Majors - cordite.  freshly sheared copper
Merely a Man - incense and font-water
Runaway - the steam from a street after a light night's rain
Paper & Iron - my cube where I type this
Big Day - desperation
Crocodile - hippo shit, dead hartebeast (you had to be there)
It's Nearly Africa - far-off scent of burnt grass (again, you had
to be there)
Making Plans For Nigel - the odd combination of chewing gum in a hat shop
Church of Women - some unreal, perfect, half worn-off perfume
aahhh yes!

thanks for the perusal


From: LadyCPlum <>
Message-ID: <>
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:11:56 EST
Subject: Sweet!!!!
Organization: AOL (

Another in a line of unexpected but very cool presents hit my doorstep, this
time coming from Jerry Kaelin. And what might the little goody be this
A gorgeous Nonsuch t-shirt. Red with their name in blue and the castle on
the front and the chap book drawings on the back. I was really surprised.
So since I lost your email address, I'll say "THANK YOU JERRY!!!!!!! YOU'RE
A SWEETHEART!!!!!!!!!!!"

Ever since I got that cd from Dave, I jump everytime the phone rings.....
just  in case a very soft British voice might be on the other end. Call me
delusional, but there's nothing wrong with wishful thinking.

Cheers for now,
Lady Cornelius Plum (nobody calls me Amanda anymore. Not even my managers at
XTC song of the day-All Along the Watchtower
non-XTC song-The Heart Does Go On-Celine Dion (Don't puke just yet.....)


From: Xtckinks <>
Message-ID: <>
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:52:25 EST
Subject: Miscellaneous
Organization: AOL (

Greetings C'hillers,
    Where did everybody go!!!!? Where are the Digests?

    These are 2 sites I came across that I'd like to share...........

For the South Park fans:
      << >>
  This page has 10 downloadable episodes. One, Spirit of Christmas, was never
aired due to profanity. It pits Jesus vs Santa Claus in a knock-down drag-out
brawl. From this page, you can link to other "transcripted" episodes and also
read about upcoming ones.

For XTC fans:
      << >>
  This page has a listing of how bands got their names. Would you believe they
have XTC listed as "taken from a brand of condoms"!? What "scumbag" came up
with that!? Jimmy Durante would say, "KINK-a-KINK-a-doo" to that fool!

Hope to XTC from you all, soon!

BTW: Can you imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an
imaginary menagerie?


Message-Id: <>
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 21:57:38 -0500
From: Adam Tyner <ctyner@CLEMSON.EDU>
Subject: Live CD auction

I was perusing Tunnel Records' web page at
and saw that they have 2 XTC bootleg CDs on the auction block.  I'm not a
particularly big fan of this company (they told me one "in-stock" CD would
arrive in 4 weeks AT THE LATEST, and it's been over 2 months), but I
thought some of you completists might be interested anyway.

BTW, the CDs are "USA 1980" and "This Is Live", neither of which have
setlists remarkably different from the official live CD.  ;)




Message-Id: <>
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:18:47 -0500
From: Keith Hanlon <>
Subject: Testing... testing...

January is turning out to be a SLOW month on the Hill... unless I've been
unsubscribed without my knowlege! (John?)

A quick note while things are slow...

For those of you who have never heard the Mommyheads' wonderful debut LP,
"Acorn," now's your chance. I threw together a site, complete with Real Audio:

If you heard some of their newer stuff and weren't impressed, I urge you to
check out the record that turned me on... back when they were 18 year old
XTC fanatics... before they wrote Beatles-esque pop classics like "Jaded"
and Beatles-esque pop failures like "Monkey."


"It's no good to say 'without pickles,' because you're going to get pickles."

			-  Johnny Cash


Message-ID: <>
From: "Miller, Ed" <>
Subject: Chalkhills Children 97
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:49:02 -0700


I received Chalkhills Children 97 yesterday.  Wow.

First of all, a hearty round of applause please for Peter Fitzpatrick
and Richard Pedretti-Allen, our illustrious producers/engineers and
artist Harrison Sherwood.  They have done a FANTASTIC job with every
aspect of the project from the cover to the credits to the crystal clear
mastering.  (Insert applause here)

And, to the contributors... thanks for some really amazing music.

Thank you all for the aural delight that is Chalkhills Children 97.

Ed Miller

PS - I only listened to the tape about 5 or 6 times last night, so I'm
not ready to comment on any of the material except for Peter
Pumpkinhead.  I kind of overdid the bass in the mix, so turn your
subwoofers DOWN!!!! :-)


Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:33:54 -0800 (PST)
Message-Id: <>
From: John Relph <relph>
Subject: Cool Pics

Mark Garland was generous enough to send in scans of a number of
photographs that he had taken at the January 1980 XTC show at Gaston
Hall, Georgetown University, Washington, D.C.  He also sent in a scan
of a set list from the 1981 XTC show at The Bayou in D.C.  These are
very nice photographs, in my opinion, so make sure to check out the
new Art Gallery pages on the Chalkhills website.

Many thanks to Mark!


	-- John


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