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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 4, Number 106

                  Wednesday, 8 July 1998

Today's Topics:

            O K. Zimmer, Go Ahead, Make My Day
                     Hall or Nothing!
                        XTC DEMOS
               Your dictionary and F-C-U-K
                        FANO RULES
           re: their creative process? geeze...
                        re : Colin
               Re: The Lion Sleeps Tonight
       It's not my fault, the music made me do it!
                         Theology
    Boring But Brief: Sleeping Lions, Vanishing Girls
                   Re: Your Dictionary
                Avengers Soundtrack Track
                       Re: 4 CD box
                         F-C-C-K
                        Fresh air
               Airplay for Your Dictionary
                      Debie Edmonds
                       Mother Mary
                    Re: Today's Topics
                  Oozing Like Napalm...
             Re: Barking and other Pet Sounds

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From: DBMEIER0@wcc.com
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 02:04:43 -0600
Message-Id: <000BEBEA.1586@wcc.com>
Subject: O K. Zimmer, Go Ahead, Make My Day

     K. Zimmer has challenged my small, insignificant country to a Monster
     Nuke Rally!  Well, I can assure you that we here in California are
     bristling with many large, pointy missile thingys (I have it on very
     good authority that the Matterhorn at Disneyland is merely camouflage
     for a missile silo).

     You see Ms. K., I am not the snotty little, ugly American-hating
     foreigner you had hoped for.  I thought that was apparent in my
     original post.  I was merely attempting to laugh at the American
     collective -- it's healthy to set oneself up for a yuk now and then.
     I believe the English (or is that British, or Great British) call this
     'taking the piss' (something that they are far more adept at than us
     colonists, with the possible exception of Mr. Sherwood).  Besides,
     none of the at-least-above-average-iq-if-not-utter-genious types who
     peruse this list would ever believe that monster trucks hold the
     position of national pastime -- it is widely known that the real
     passion of we Yanks is beer-bonging and puking in a stranger's
     perennial bed!

     There, now that I've put that straight, I would like to publicly thank
     the Zimulator for instigating a truly enjoyable thread, and for
     singling my comment out from a sea of responses.

     And now for my most recent Coolest Closet Diggity Bit (Something very
     spwat happening within an otherwise barely perfect song):

     Andy reversing the words sickle and symbol on Reign of Blows.

     Dan - The Ugly Californian - Meier

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Message-Id: <s5a1edac.059@BTA.ORG.UK>
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 09:42:31 +0100
From: DAVID FATSCHER <dfatscher@BTA.ORG.UK>
Subject: Hall or Nothing!

Hats off to Mark Fisher for reminding us all how many 'children' Andy has
spawned since 1992...

...for my money (about #9.99, since you ask), the songs on Terry Hall's
'Home' ('I Drew a Lemon' and 'The Moon on Your Dress') are two of AP's best
tunes and during my personal info-blackout (between 'Nonsuch' and
discovering 'Chalkhills' in late 1995), they alone re-assured me that his
writing was still in fine fettle.

However, I've always been intrigued by these (and other) Partridge
joint-compositions.

'Lemon' and 'Dress' are very out of step with the darker hues on much of
'Home' (like Andy, Terry Hall was in the throes of domestic upheaval) and
this would suggest that the Terry Hall of 1993/94 had little input into such
upbeat songs.

Moreover, though Hall is a fine lyricist, both are so chock-full of
Partridge's own brand of whimsy, I'd  even wager that they were 100% Andy
('Dress' also has a strong use of metaphor, even echoing 'Mayor of
Simpleton' in its "You've been star-struck, it's plain to see/Never took a
lesson in astronomy"). So, short of hiking through the backwoods of
Chalkhills to seek an answer, does anyone out there know the origin of this
partnership and how (creatively) they set about it (that is, are we talking
Lennon/McCartney or Jagger/Richards)?

Finally, Colin Seditas shares my love for Vanishing Girl's opening arpeggio
but can't get Tight Fit's version of 'The Lion Sleeps Tonight (A-Wim A-Way)'
out of his head. Colin, mate: Try telling yourself instead that REM's 'The
Sidewinder Sleeps Tonight' leans all-too-heavily on the Dukes and grin like
a loon next time you're told what a 'poet' Michael Stipe is.

By the way, according to my Guinness Book of Hit Singles (it was a gift,
honest), 'Lion' entered the UK charts the same week as 'Senses'. Now which
do you think sailed effortlessly to No.1(maybe Andy should have worn
leopard-skin 'pants' and legwarmers on TOTP)?

David Fatscher

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Message-ID: <19980707151628.16161.qmail@hotmail.com>
From: "Jason Phelan" <phelander@hotmail.com>
Subject: XTC DEMOS
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 08:16:27 PDT

MERRY CHRISTMAS IN JULY!

Hey, I recently found a rack mount two-track reel-to-reel at a garage
sale for 30 bucks. I was then informed from a friend, that the
particular model was a very-very-very prime piece of equipment I had
just got for a steal. Well, not only was I happy about that, but
the thing  (as I call it), is just so damn fun.

SO.........

I am in such a good mood, and lately, so many folks have asked for the
new album demos, and seeing as I got them for asking anyway, I would
like to make copies for whoever wants them.

Please do the following.
I will make copies for whoever will go through this process:

1. Get a blank High Bias Cassette.
2. Put it in a cassette envelope DO NOT SEAL
3. Weigh the envelope in the casette and attach proper postage and
your home address.(STILL DO NOT SEAL)
4. Stick the cassette envelope with the blank cassette, postage and
address in a bigger envelope. Send it here:

                  Mr. Jason Phelan, Nice Guy
                  1624 16th Ave South Apt. 2
                  Nashville, TN 37212

I will no doubt be attacked with envelopes, AND I PROMISE AS GOD AS MY
WITNESS, I WILL MAKE DEMOS FOR ANYONE WHO FOLLOWS THESE DIRECTIONS, if
you don't follow the rules, I will throw your letter away and keep your
blank casette. I don't have enough money for all the postage. If it was
one person, sure, but you know....

As an added Bonus, anyone who asks, I will also fill up the tape with
selections from my band's cd. Alas, we no longer play live, but this
album is good. I am sorry I never got a chance to promote it on
Chalkhills cuz we broke up right after we finished it.

They will be clear copies and you don't have to get raped by the guys
who want to charge you to burn CDs.

SEND AWAY NOW,
Love Jason.

P.S. Very recognizable names and people from countries outside the
U.S. will get their's first.

COME VISIT www.angelfire.com/tn/socksnum1 and leave a guestbook signing.

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Message-Id: <TFSMJOIE@ubk.net>>
From: Jonathan Monnickendam <monnickj@ubk.net>
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:40:33 +0000
Subject: Your dictionary and F-C-U-K

Thanks to all of you for clearing this one up. I thought it was an
advertising jingle for the clothing company French Connection  U K gone
wrong. Perhaps the money raised from  this jingle would pay for the
oustainding work for Firework. As for Firework i thought it could be
retitled Old Banger seeing as most of the material will have aged by the
time it is released.

Moving on ... Mark Rushton, good choice of listening; modern music if not
drastic plastic . I wonder if anyone has ever got the two, Brian Wilson and
Captain Beefheart, in the same room.

 Has anybody heard the new Wilson cd ?

jon

* ---------------------------------------------------------------
The views expressed are of the individual, and do not
necessarily reflect the views of The United Bank of Kuwait PLC.
* ---------------------------------------------------------------

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Message-Id: <v02140b04b1c7fc4d78c0@[208.251.162.32]>
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:27:40 -0500
From: gloop@ntr.net (Yazbek)
Subject: FANO RULES

I've played Partridge's Fano-built guitar, a Fano "Satellite" model and my
own electric mandocello built especially for me by Dennis himself. My
conclusion-- this guy is a real artist. A few days ago, Dave Gregory was
extolling Fano's workmanship and the flexibility of his Satellite and I
must concur. Visit his website.
Yazbek

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Message-ID: <B9B4268C8F87D11195DC0000F840FABE0203C3D1@DUB-MSG-02>
From: Peter Fitzpatrick <peterfit@MICROSOFT.com>
Subject: re: their creative process? geeze...
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:25:11 +0100

In the last digest Randy wrote ....

From: Randy Hiatt <rhiatt@gte.net>
Subject: their creative process? geeze...

<<SNIP>>

Are vocal harmonies created with a "Vocalist" type device (vocal
harmonies are synthasized from the origional voice and can follow midi
note input via a keyboard)?
<<SNIP>>

<<SNIP>>
Do they us a computer (midi) much in their composition process?

Are their own home studios pretty good (digital audio/midi)?

<<SNIP>>

>From my understanding of Colin's studio....according to Andy there isn't
one. Though he must have some sort of portastudio at his disposal.

Andy doesn't have a Digitech Vocalist - I have one and told him about it.
But I've actually hardly used it - I find the natural harmonies soooo much
better. Yes - his backing vocals / harmonies are fucking great aren't they ?

I suspect that he picks out the harmony notes on a keyboard and simply sings
them. They're certainly unaided by technology.

The most technical thing you'll find in his studio is an ADAT (digital
multitrack) and an old Atari computer for basic sequencing... (although I
hear that he's got one of those new Roland drum kits...)

Go take a look at my website, I have photos of Andy's homestudio (albeit
over a year old now)
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/beatle

Your Favourite Microserf,
Peter...

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Message-ID: <B9B4268C8F87D11195DC0000F840FABE0203C3D2@DUB-MSG-02>
From: Peter Fitzpatrick <peterfit@MICROSOFT.com>
Subject: re : Colin
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:31:34 +0100

In the last digest Mitch spoke !

Colin is an enigma for sure. It took a couple of hours for him to get used
to me (ok, ok, I tend to freak people out I guess)
Once he realised that I wasn't going to be a pain in the arse he chatted
about everything from the Irish TV station that screwed up the backing tape
for one of the Homo Safari series to the camcorder I was using, to curries,
to kids, to songwriting and so on.
He has a wicked sense of humour (example : in the Abbey Road canteen he's
top of the queue for food and says to Andy : "Hey look, 'Urn enough for
us!'....pointing to the tea urn ....it's an English thing ...)
He took particular delight in referring to the horns by accompanying the
word with flatulent noises...very Reeves & Mortimer...

I actually found him less intense than Andy (who I must admit has no doubt
been under incredible pressure this past year...)
A very relaxed guy who you feel you could go have a pint with and talk about
nothing at all but not feel like it mattered.

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Message-ID: <35A24D7A.5D10@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 09:31:54 -0700
From: Rich/MetalMan <cbunnell@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: The Lion Sleeps Tonight

Regarding "The Lion Sleeps Tonight" coming from the 60's and
possibly pre-dating it, once at summer camp during one of the cabin
presentations, they put on dances to music of each decade and
"The Lion Sleeps Tonight" was played under the 50's. So I guess it
pre-dates the 60's.
   Also, the TMBG version of it is from the '90s, and I wouldn't really
call it a "cover," it has the title "The Guitar" and for the most part,
besides the twist on the chorus ("In the spaceship, the silver
spaceship, the lion takes control") the song is wildly different.

* ----------------------------------------------
Rich Bunnell or "Metal Man," whichever sounds more insane
http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/4527/
* ----------------------------------------------

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From: MPadg@aol.com
Message-ID: <a7e89eb5.35a250de@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 12:46:21 EDT
Subject: It's not my fault, the music made me do it!

<Are there any genuine instances of "offensive" songs causing anti-social
<behaviour?

Some of us seem to get pretty riled up by Andrew Lloyd Webber. And there was
that time that if I heard Whitney Houston sing "I-E-I-E-I will always love
you" just one more time....., or the time my brother played Steve Miller's
"Fly Like an Eagle" 47 consecutive times just before his unfortunate
"accident"......

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From: MPadg@aol.com
Message-ID: <465b9218.35a2517a@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 12:48:57 EDT
Subject: Theology

If there were a god, I would have heard Mermaid Smiled on the way to work this
morning instead of Dear God. But then again, maybe the existance of Mermaid
Smiled proves the existance of God.

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Message-ID: <35A258E9.711E2C11@cruzio.com>
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 10:20:41 -0700
From: Andy Kreyche <akreyche@cruzio.com>
Subject: Boring But Brief: Sleeping Lions, Vanishing Girls

I have also long noticed the similarities Colin (Seditas) originally
mentioned.

I did a search on "The Lion Sleeps Tonight" at the International Lyric
Server: http://www.lyrics.ch/search.html. It came up with two versions--
one by the Kingston Trio (which is partially in Swahili), and the
version by The Tokens (A-Wimoweh) mentioned by a couple of folks in the
last digest.

I remember a National Public Radio report a few years back which
mentioned that black South Africans appropriated the song during
apartheid. While the ANC and outright protests against the government
were outlawed, the song was used as an allegory to signify their
potential power. It's kind of ironic that the song became such a catchy,
bubble headed pop sensation here in the states . . . or maybe it's a
tribute, considering the change that ultimately occurred.

Who knows . . . maybe years from now, "Melt The Guns" could represent a
similar success story.

Back to being the flyonthewall,

-Andy

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Message-Id: <199807071746.NAA24150@gw33t.fmr.com>
From: "Sawyer, Keith" <Keith.Sawyer@fmr.com>
Subject: Re: Your Dictionary
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:46:09 -0400

Derek Miner <minerwerks@usa.net> responded:

>But as far as legality is concerned, spelling out
>the word "fuck" is absolutely *not* obscenity.
>Obscenity is a very difficult thing to prove, and
>consequently the FCC created the concept of "indecency"
>to cover this kind of thing. Now, ALL radio stations
>have the legally protected right to broadcast "indecent"
>material overnight. So if someone had a song that
>actually *said* "fuck" - ten times even - they could
>play it between 10pm and 6am and never worry about
>being fined or losing their license.

I was told several years ago that safe harbor regulations you refer to (I
always thought they were midnight to 6am) are no longer in effect ... can
any radio-affiliated Chalkhill member confirm or rebut this?

In any case, you're right - I misspoke when I used the word 'obscene' in the
context of the F-U-C-K debate.  Unless one lives in Tennessee, it's tough to
find a court that will define even hardcore pornography as being obscene.
Obscenity's three prong test (to paraphrase, the third is 'lacking artistic
or scientific merit') is difficult to prove.

Which changes the question to "Is F-U-C-K indecent?"

I'll stick with the opinion that commercial stations will err on the side
conservatism, 'Jeremy' notwithstanding.  Unfortunately, XTC doesn't pull as
much weight as Pearl Jam in the ratings of 'modern rock' (ahem) radio.  If
they did ...

Karl F Witter <WitterKF@aetna.com> throws in:
>In one of those "requires independent confirmation
>(unless you're Matt Drudge*)" episodes of life,
>Garrison Keillor actually said "shit" on air. This
>was during the "news from Lake Wobegon" segment,
>July 4th, on "A Prarie Home Companion" radio show.
>My wife will swear witness to this; in fact, if she
>didn't, I don't know if I'd have trusted my ears.

...and Madonna said 'shit' during the international broadcast of Live-Aid.
One of the difficulties of live broadcast, or at least live broadcast
without a seven second delay.

Notice she didn't exactly get hauled into court, either ...

keith

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Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980707134756.006ce99c@claven>
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 13:47:56 -0400
From: Janis Van Court <janis_vancourt@partech.com>
Subject: Avengers Soundtrack Track

Can someone give me information about the song Andy co-wrote for the
Avengers movie?  What's it called and who performs it?

It was supposed to be released today, no?

Thanks,
Janis
........................................................
"Bird and bear and hare and fish, give your love her fondest wish."

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Message-ID: <35A26FA6.4C98CF9E@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 14:57:42 -0400
From: "Darryl R. Stewart" <DarrylStewart@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: 4 CD box

Dear Chalkhills,
    Any body "in the know" that can find out if the 4-CD box will
contain any performances from the acoustic radio tour of '89?  I'm one
of the many that still hasn't heard any!  Woe is me!!!
                                                                    -99

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Message-Id: <199807072310.TAA20965@mail.bna.bellsouth.net>
From: "RoadKill" <csberry@mail.bna.bellsouth.net>
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:15:02 +0000
Subject: F-C-C-K

XTCXTCXTCXTCXTCXTCXTCXTCXTCXTCXTCXTCXTCXTC

To My Dearest Chalkhillians,

	Apologies to those outside of the U.S. of A. for a moment here.
In regards to the recent questions about dirty words over the
airwaves, I would like to clarify some things.  I'm a proud member of
"the media" (namely radio).  There are the famous 7 Dirty Words That
Cannot Be Said on TV (piss, shit, cunt, fuck, motherfucker,
cocksucker, and tits) which covers the word in question.  The trick
is this...it is a matter of enforcement.  Listen to a classic rock
station.  When you hear Pink Floyd's "Money," you will, more than
likely, hear the word "bullshit."  The FCC is dependent on people in
the community to inform them of violations.  Unless you are being
monitored by a bible thumping group, no one regularly tapes the radio
signal to file a complaint and have a copy of the offending
broadcast.
	A station usually hears from a complaintant first.  Management will
try to soothe the listener, etc.  If  the person has the resources
and the determination, they file a complaint w/ the FCC.  The feds
check in with the station to get the context of the situation then
will issue a fine if they deem it is necessary.  Fines will vary
depending on the time of day, amount of people listening, intent,
and other factors.  Most of the time that words such as "fuck" get on
the air, it is an accident.  Whether  "f-u-c-k" is offensive
enough to deserve a fine depends primarily on the community that the
station is based.  I remember a few years ago, I was in a small town
in Alabama and (apparently in a conservative area) the DJ had to
refer to the Butthole Surfers as the "B Surfers."
	For the most part, radio stations only play the singles that are
designated by the record company.  Very few stations actually "break
songs" on their own.  Thus, for a song w/ questionable lyrics to get
airplay, it is because the record company has supplied the stations
w/ an edited version.

Long live Colin and Andy!!!

Cory

XTCXTCXTCXTCXTCXTCXTCXTCXTCXTCXTCXTCXTCXTC

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Date: 8 Jul 98 09:58:34 AST
From: PCulnane@dca.gov.au
Subject: Fresh air
Message-ID: <0000wwumqqys.0000uoooywwk@dca.gov.au>

How refreshing it is to read postings like those of Debie Edmonds (no, it
wasn't boring at all - just made me green with envy!) and Edward Percival,
not to mention (but I will) those of fellow Aussies Iain Murray and Mark
Archer-May - contributors who in my view have something worthwhile to say.
Makes a pleasant change in these pages from the rubbish about politics and
the postings of those who love to hear the sound of their own typing (not
mentioning any names, but intitials HS and DL spring to mind).

So thanks and welcome to those folks mentioned above and keep up the
entertaining chat.  And thanks again to Simon Sleightholm for his updates -
I for one am champing at the bit to get a hold of the "Song Stories" book.

Coming up to the 9th anniversary of my meeting with the XtC boys.  Seems
like only yesterday that Terry urged me to "suck more piss"....

Thanks for reading   ~p@ul

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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 11:22 +0930
From: "VanAbbe, Dominic" <dominic.vanabbe@faulding.com.au>
Subject: Airplay for Your Dictionary
Message-id: <01IZ5LT75KBM00RMEI@faulding.com.au>

Hi all,

     Here in Australia we have a so-called alternative station called
Triple-J, whose calling card is that it seems impervious to the censors.
  Unfortunately it is programmed not by a panel, but by one individual who
seems to revel in "controversial" songs.  Mention drugs, your knob or swear
a lot and your song is guaranteed *massive* (and generally undeserved)
exposure.  Hence, over the last few years we've had to endure such
"classics" (not!!!) as "Short-Dick Man", "Fuck tha police", "I want to be a
hippy and I want to get stoned" and countless other novelty songs repeated
ad nauseum.

     On that basis, were Partridge to accentuate the "F-U-C-K" and "S-H-I-T"
lines a bit more, Arnold Frollows and Triple-J would be sure to pounce on it
and send it to the upper ecelons of the Oz. charts.   On the other hand,
maybe XtC need a song called "Big-Titted, Weed-Smoking, Lesbian Mama"??.....

     The one redeeming feature of Triple J is a DJ by the name of Richard
Kingsmill (who, in a fair world, would be their programmer), who has
superbly wide-reaching music tastes which are reflected in his shows.  He
has a 3-hour feature show each Thursday night, which featured, a few months
ago, none other than XtC....

Cheers,
Dom

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Message-ID: <8191BF798BAFD111817B0001FA0E3A574EDA2F@ZSCED004>
From: "ARCHER-MAY,Mark" <Mark.ARCHER-MAY@deetya.gov.au>
Subject: Debie Edmonds
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:52:11 +1000

Debie's (#4-105) little piece of boredom (or at least she thought we
might be bored) was the most delightful and enjoyable piece of one
upmanship (if it wasn't meant as one upmanship it should have been) I
have ever read and I found myself chuckling quite happily as I read it.
Thank you for sharing that with me.

Mark

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Message-Id: <l03110700b1c8a0998451@[146.6.72.37]>
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 23:10:52 -0500
From: Jason Garcia <h.h.name@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Mother Mary

An effusive thought:

>In reply to posting:
>
>> Yes! Gotta be Paul's best song ever, along with "Helter Skelter" and a
>>very few others. "Let It Be" almost makes it, but the "mother Mary"
>>reference seems like a copout; why don't you use your mother's real name,
>>Paul, unless you want us to think you're Catholic?
>
>Not exactly sure what you're on about here Chris.  Paul's mother's name is
>Mary.

Oh, I HAD to post about this one!  That is, ultimately, the utter genius
behind "Let It Be".  Everyone's like, "oh, what a beautiful religious song!"
when it's his actual mother he's talking about.  Damn that Paul McCartney...
Lennon may have been the "genius", but Paul was perhaps MORE of a genius for
being able to take lucky coincidences and making them seem like genius.
What a guy!

Sorry, just had to take the opportunity to gush about my idol...

Jason

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Message-ID: <35A2F116.40363C3A@concentric.net>
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 00:09:58 -0400
From: DonSueP <DonSueP@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Today's Topics

<owner-chalkhills@chalkhills.org> wrote:

> Today's Topics:
>
>                            XTC
>                    Mayors of Simpleton
> Mummer vs The Big Express - Thoughts From A Recent Buyer  <snip>

Nearly my favorite part of each Chalkhills Digest is this list of subject
headings.  It's amazing how much of the entire contents can be inferred from
this alone.  As you read along with the rest of the digest, do you ever find
yourself saying, "I remember, that's right, this is the part where so-and-so
replies with .  .  ."?  I treasure this feeling of expectation.

> From: Peter Melsom <Pete_Melsom@compuserve.com>
>
> I live in Swindon (have done all my life)!
> I regularly see Andy Partridge and Dave Gregory strolling along the High
> Street in Old Town, Swindon!
>
> Debie Edmonds

Hi Debie!  Boy would I love to have a friend like you!

> From: "Edward Percival" <edward@surfshack.demon.co.uk>
>
> Religion: Atheist (This is not a rehearsal!)

Amen to that!

> Subject: Mummer vs The Big Express - Thoughts From A Recent Buyer
>
>  "Funk Pop A Roll" is just annoying

In about four more listens you are going to be dancing all around the place
like a freaking madperson in total awe of the 'pure pop perfection' of this
ass-kicking masterpiece!

> From: "ARCHER-MAY,Mark" <Mark.ARCHER-MAY@deetya.gov.au>
>
> Ballad of Peter
> Pumpkinhead (Old topic but how the hell can anyone think that is about
> JFK apart from the line about sex scandals there's nothing in the song
> to suggest it).

That's exactly what I thought for the longest time!  But I just saw the
video, which is very well done and moving.  The JFK interpretation is
deliberately accented there.  JFK was president and still alive when I was
born. And having been born and raised in Massachusetts I can tell you that
at least around here he was mythologized nearly as much as Jesus was, so at
least for me, the video works.

> From: Cameron Wright <cameron@auravale.co.nz>
>
> help me obtain a copy of the demos?

With every such post comes the voice, "Come to the darkside, Don, get the
demos."  NOOOO!!!!!

> From: Randy Hiatt <rhiatt@gte.net>
>
> p.s.  Circuit City has cheep new CD prices, I've bought 5-6 copies of
> O&L and NonSuch for $4.95 each.  Thats a good way to train your friends,
> buy them their own copies and make them listen to it,... or else!

Excellent idea Randy.  But just to outdo you I picked up the following on
cassette from Strawberries for a grand total of $3.14: The Compact King
Crimson, Bowie's Diamond Dogs AND O&L!

> From: Todd and Jennifer Bernhardt <toddjenn@erols.com>
>
> And my pal Dom said:
> > I still never said I was "hip" or superior though.
>
> I agree. You implied it, though.

C'mon, whether he did or didn't, he's certainly paid for it enough by NOW!
Dom, just realize that your positive contributions of late are much
appreciated.

> From: Robert Wood <wobbit@bigfoot.com>
>
> The line that always gets me is from This World Over...
> "Will you tell them about that far off and mythical land,
> Where a child to the virgin came."
> Always sends shivers down my spine that...

I think the key word in that bit is "mythical" ;-)
The part that gives _me_ shivers follows soon after  . . .
"Will you tell them that the reason why we murdered everything upon the
surface of the world is sowe can stand right up and say we did it in His
name?"

> From: sberkeley@ccm.frontiercorp.com
>
> acquire a copy of Andy's "Hello" recording and/or the "James and the Giant
> Peach" Demos

OK, I give, "J and GP" at least, for the sake of my poor Andy-starving
children! Anyone please!

> From: "Witter, Karl F" <WitterKF@aetna.com>
>
> The Big Express?? Go and get it!!

First listen?  Hated it.  But this stuff "burns" entirely new pathways into
your brain, and then every additional listen offers the following
experience, "Where did this fantastic song come from, and how could I have
missed it last time through?"

> From: "Mark Strijbos" <mmello@knoware.nl>
>
> >  "In the jungle, the mighty jungle,
> > the lion sleeps tonight." Do you remember that? Is this exactly the
> > same melody or what?
> No, i don't think so.

Mark, listen to it again.  The introductory lyrics too are, IMO, amazingly
close.  Certainly a lot more convincing than George Harrison's 'My Sweet
Lord' which lost a lawsuit as a subliminal homage to the Chiffon's 'He's so
Fine'.

> From: StarlingV@aol.com
>
> Nature is god.  Love is worthwhile.

Liked this post more than most from this thread - certainly a bit closer to
the mark.  But I must add that Andy's lyrics are also consistent with, "Even
if Nature is not god, Love is worthwhile.

> From: "ARCHER-MAY,Mark" <Mark.ARCHER-MAY@deetya.gov.au>
>
> The eighties version is one of more than I would guess a hundred
> covers of the song, including a version by "They Might Be Giants"

Damn, somebody beat me to it.  Which reminds me I have _finally_ gotten
heavily into White Music, and I have discovered what sounds to me like
ANOTHER hidden song!  If there are no correct guesses, and people aren't too
bugged by the tease, I'll give more clues later . . .

Don "I'm not done, and I won't be 'till my head falls off" Parker

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Message-Id: <s5a33d07.031@BTA.ORG.UK>
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 09:33:20 +0100
From: DAVID FATSCHER <dfatscher@BTA.ORG.UK>
Subject: Oozing Like Napalm...

This just in: Britain 'newest chart-topping sensation' (yawn!) hails from
Swindon.

Yes, 15 year-old poppet Billie "billie" Piper has struck gold with her
first-ever single and in an 'amusing' article (straight out of the 'Let's Go
to the Pub for Lunch then Spend an Afternoon in the Cuttings Library' School
of Journalism), the London Evening Standard thought it would its remind
readers which other 'stars' the town is responsible for:

Isambard Kingdom Brunel (in his day - the 19th century - considered a
'bridge-building sensation', much to the chagrin of Thomas 'tommie'
Telford);

Diana Dors (born Diana Fluck, or F-L-U-C-K as Andy would say, and in the
1950s considered Britain's - ahem - 'answer' to Marilyn Monroe);

Melinda Messanger (cosmetically-enhanced pin-up who quite literally burst
upon the nation's consciousness last year and recently made the challenging
career-move from print to TV. Considered Britain's answer to Jenny
McCarthy);

and yet - quelle surprise! - not a single mention of XTC (considered by
many, for one week in 1980, to be Wiltshire's answer to The Beatles).

But take heart, for when young 'billie' was asked if fame's fickle fire
would waft her away from Swindon, she quipped: 'No! I find the chalkhills
and children anchor my feet'... (OK, I lied; she actually said: 'Nah, I love
it here - it's sooo peaceful').

Your man on the doorstep,

David Fatscher

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From: CCooli9575@aol.com
Message-ID: <7cd5b487.35a3500b@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 06:55:06 EDT
Subject: Re: Barking and other Pet Sounds

>Pet Sounds just totally blew me away.  I can't believe I missed out on
>this for so many years.  I've never been a fan of the Beach Boys,
>maybe it had something to do with their early surf stuff, which I
>personally dislike, as well as the wretched "Kokomo".

  I just ordered Pet Sounds from the BMG music club. I agree that the early
surf stuff isn't much to write home about; IMHO Jan and Dean and Dick Dale
did it better, though I'm not super crazy about the genre in general. As for
"Kokomo," blame Mike Love for that one, he's been in sole control of the
group, or what's left of it, since Dennis Wilson died in '83, and possibly
earlier as well. The quality of the Beach Boys' material is directly
proportional to Brian Wilson's involvement in the band. The Beach Boys Love
You, in '77, was their best album in years,(though Brian's mental and
emotional health was still shaky, and it showed)but the several subsequent
albums were lame, lame, lame, and Brian was reduced to playing keyboards and
an occasional co-writing credit. They did Ok without him in the late '60's,
though. Brian had enough material from the aborted Smile sessions to
contribute to several albums, and most of the rest of the band's
contributions(especially Carl Wilson)were at least listenable. Dennis
Wilson's solo album from the late '70's is very good too.

>As for the Captain Beefheart album, well it was difficult to listen to
>when I first heard it in 1981 and it still is today, but it's not
>UN-listenable.  I'm aware that Trout Mask Replica is one of Andy's
>all-time favorites and it is reflected (the more difficult aspect of
>the album) in his songwriting.  But so is Pet Sounds, oddly enough!

  I gotta admire any songwriter who's equally influenced by Captain
Beefheart as well as Brian Wilson. I still have my vinyl copy of Trout Mask
Replica and I proudly played it once for my wife when we first met, she
endured it once, and I only play it once in a blue moon if I'm alone, which
isn't often(aside from at work occasionally, where I don't have a
turntable). I did dig up the followup album, Lick My Decals Off Baby,
recently though. I almost prefer it; it's got a weird kerplunkety groove to
it that's very unique and even catchy in its way. Still not commercial,
though; must be Artie Tripp's added marimba in the mix. I also enjoy Shiny
Beast, his '78 comeback album a lot; it's more commercial by comparison, but
it shows the potential of a Tom Waits style songwriting career if he wanted
to pursue that direction. Check out "Harry Irene" or "Love Lies" for
evidence. Then "Tropical Hot Dog Night" and "Candle Mambo" are even
danceable, kind of, not as in disco, but more latin.

Chris

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