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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 3, Number 95

                 Wednesday, 2 April 1997

Today's Topics:

        Chalkhills' Children tape ordering update
                         MSN/Andy
                   Heaven or Las Vegas
         Off topic, but still in the neighborhood
                it's us against the world
                         George M
          who is this list dedicated to, anyway?
                   Shame on you, Colin!
            toads,snails and puppy dog's tails
          Hey Mac users, let's be nice (No XTC)
              Hail mother motor (off topic)
                The Smartest Radio Station
                 The Lilac Time/The Grays
               stormy mummers and then some
                MS Riff show - Denver, CO
                    TMBG: AKA vs. AKA
                Tuli Kupferberg interview
                     Misheard (redux)
             Amazing Commercial Opprotunity!!
       Re: MSN, Mummer, George Martin, Convention?
                      XTC on Le Show
              A few tidbits and asides.....
      Addendum onto my DESPERATELY NEEDS list.......
               Chips from the Chocolate One
            This freaked me the hell out.....
                  Everything was gold...

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From: Richard.PedrettiAllen@octel.com
Message-Id: <c=US%a=_%p=Octel%l=EX-CAMPUS1-970327004759Z-26689@ex-campus2.corp.octel.com>
Subject: Chalkhills' Children tape ordering update
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:47:59 -0800

The very FIRST order received had the check made out to "Chalk"
(groan.)

Please don't make the same mistake.  I can't cash it.

It also did not contain an address label but now I can use the old check
as the mailing label!

I have received fourteen orders so far.  There were others with
problems.

The next offense was a note that said "Address on check."   Duh.
Such a quandary... should I cash the check or should I use it as a
mailing label?

Another offense was no email address.  If I run into a snag, I will
simply mail your check back with no tape.  If I have an email address I
can hopefully correct any problem situation before tapes run out.

I guess you just want to get me back for not including my Zip Code in my
original posting... though several resourceful individuals did call the
post office, got the info and mailed their orders.

On the upside, one individual sent an additional three dollars just to
say thanks, buy a pint for Andy AND Colin or help to offset any cost
overruns.  Another individual has promised to send his band's new CD.
All I can say is "THANK YOU."  These kind gestures will redeem this
project for me and coax me do another.  Please don't feel obligated to
send anything extra (and it's going to take A LOT more than that to get
my CD!).  If you do, cool, but don't feel that you must.

Cheers, Richard

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Message-Id: <v03020703af5f7de3a04e@[207.77.26.158]>
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 20:34:50 -0500
From: "Ira B. Lieman" <ira@myself.com>
Subject: MSN/Andy

Chalkfolk,

For the record, I'm a Mac user and damn proud of it (so is Andy, right?).
And for the record, I'm not a big fan of Microsoft. But in this case I am
surely sure that Microsoft is not trying to take over the free world by
making us all get involved with the Microsoft Network in order to see Andy.
Believe me, if they were, they'd be doing this with someone slightly more
commercial like Michael Stipe or Elton John, and there would be millions
more upset people that couldn't get on with their non-Win95 computers.

I would LOVE to get a copy of the transcript, and if the sound clips are to
be archived on a website I would die to hear them. I cannot access the MSN,
so be it. But if at some point I could download wav files of what Andy is
presenting on line I would give my right arm. Well, maybe not the whole
arm...

And now I'm really pissed I can't make it to Basingstoke. Will someone post
pictures?

-ira

Ira Lieman - ira@myself.com - http://www.intercall.com/~aym
"Awaken you dreamers, asleep at your desks!" - A. Partridge

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From: whanks@ix.netcom.com
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 20:24:58 -0600 (CST)
Message-Id: <1997326182647441@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Heaven or Las Vegas

Hi all,
<misty eyed> First a great used-record store in town closes shop. They had a
autographed O&L vinyl that I could never extract from them. As Apoo from The
Simpsons would say "no sir, that hot dog is not to be sold, it is strictly
for display purposes only".
Second, a real live xtc convention will take place very, very far from home
that I cannot attend.

On a happier note, its a treat to read some great posts recently on the
list. There is a "real sense of community" <group hug> ;)

Hmmm, here's an idea, since Las Vegas plays host to many a convention,
s'pose an xtc convention were to happen in Las Vegas. Any interest? Part of
the program would be visiting the, wait for it, (Dukes of) Stratosphere
Tower. (Sorry, this is the only place where I can make that reference with
any hope of people getting it).

In lieu of a "formal" convention, I am more than happy to get together with
fellow chalkhillians who may visit Las Vegas. (Tour guide cap included) A
people watching treat that that can't be missed!

While my wife was suffering from the flu (better now, thanks) I asked her if
I could get her anything, she muttered from bed, "No, I'm only making plans
for NyQuil."

Becki, how does one order your cd? (sorry content cops, I misplaced her
address)

Eschew obfuscation,

Wes

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Message-ID: <333A131A.3488@sprintmail.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 22:26:34 -0800
From: Stormy Monday <stormymonday@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Off topic, but still in the neighborhood

Folxtc,

Beatles Stuff:  I wasn't aware that the "Get Back" sessions were
officially released anywhere.  I've heard the boots for years, and now
the "Anthology" stuff.

As far as the "White Album" was concerned, I had always heard that it
was John that didn't show up for the George sessions, excepting "While
My Guitar Gently Weeps" as a special guest was present.  I get irritated
equally when people give GM too little credit as they often give too
much.  I know that much of the album is sparse and devoid of the usual
GM flourishes, but the work that he did do, (e.g. "Good Night") was of
the highest quality.  Yeah, they were freaking out during that period,
Ringo quitting, John busy exposing himself and his Yoko, Paul thinking
that he's the manager in the aftermath of Brian Epstein's death, and
George completely out of patience with Paul's incessant unwelcome
suggestions for his guitar parts.  Or so the legend goes.  But no
matter.  The album's reputation was earned honestly.  It is remains a
classic.

I can't understand any criticism of "Abbey Road", less it be Ringo's
vocal contribution to "Octopus's Garden". It seems fitting that he was
granted the honor of singing the "Underwater Songs" . Dissect it any way
you like, point out that the flawless medleys are constructed from
unfinished song fragments, but the fact remains that it is a masterpiece
that set the standard.

James Isaacs quipped:

>Please, Stormy Monday, stay away from any bridges...
>I have read that Paul McCarnety's new album, tentatively titled "Flaming
>Pie", is due out in May, is being produced by Jeff Lynne, and features a
>duet with Steve Miller.  Sounds like more fun than sucking M&M's out of a
>badger.

I really did laugh out loud.  I knew that Jeff Lynne was producing
Paul's next effort, (Just what we needed. I can't imagine Mr. ELO
bringing out anything but the absolute worst from Paul!), but you must
be kidding about the duet with Steve Miller.  Maybe Jeff will talk the
Beatles into a reunion with Steve Miller filling in for John!  Then on
tour, he could sing "Dear Prudence" followed up by "Big Old Jet
Airliner"!  "Flaming Pie", huh?  Why not call it, "I'm So Bloody
Desperate"!

I love Paul's music.  I wish that he would sit down with Elvis, Andy,
Ray Davies, Peter Gabriel, Eric Clapton, and Steve Winwood and write
some good songs.  Then get Todd to produce an album with all of his
esteemed guests.  Imagine trying to fit all of those egos onto a tiny
CD.  With wishes like that, is there any wonder that I'm warned away
from the bridges?

As far as Ray Davies goes, my opinion remains solid:  While the Kinks
are good and Ray Davies is a fine songwriter, and while Andy gushes over
"the best song of the century" as penned by Ray, I maintain that XTC as
a band, and Andy Partridge as a songwriter are superior to the Kinks in
all possible categories.  Would you not expect this from someone that
reads and contributes to Chalkhills?

I know that I unfairly placed Billy Joel on my mythical album with Steve
Miller, Bob Seger and John Mellancamp, but I've never completely
forgiven him for polluting the airwaves with "It's Still Rock and Roll
To Me".

I'm on the road this week, with no access to XTC.  But I've been
thinking about "Beating Of Hearts".

Stormy Monday

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Message-Id: <v01540b00af5f9821e3de@[208.211.100.65]>
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 21:34:41 -0600
From: kmarkman@netwestonline.com (Debutante)
Subject: it's us against the world

Hi.

I don't have a lot of time as my server keeps disconnecting so...

>From: Andrew Lippitt <andylipp@snet.net>

>This appears to be a PC only thing, as is most of the Microsoft Evil
>Empire.  This is horrible news, and a big ole dis to the 25% of us that
>use Macs on the 'net (Apple's statistic).  And the whole premise is
>somewhat troubling as well.

Well, phooey.  I don't mean to whine (well ok, yes I do) but I really want
to hear Andy.  Bleh.  This stinks like my old laundry.

I can't believe there's only 25% of us on the net.  Sucks to be us.

>courted in this manner.  Alas, my Mac and I will be left out of this
>one, so don't bother to download, Gene.

Well, I'll be here in Nihilon with you :(

Regarding XTC in daily life:  I teach Mass Communications at a junior
college here in west TX, and when we covered the chapter on the music
industry, not only did I throw in lines from FPAR, but when we hit the
punk/new wave/pop era I of course mentioned XTC as a prominent band.
Result:dull surprise.  They didn't seem to know who Flock of Seagulls or
Haircut 100 were either (sorry Ira, I threw that one in for you!)

Darn, I think my modem just disconnected, so I don't have time to properly
flame Stormy Monday for his offensive sweeping judgements about the value
of other people's musical tastes, so I'll just say, inthe immortal words of
Dave Lister..."Smeg off!"

Thank you  and goodnight,
Kris

#######################################################
"One angry dwarf and two-hundred solemn faces..."(BFF)

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Message-Id: <v01540b00af60b2d16fa5@[139.80.100.164]>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:31:40 -0800
From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)
Subject: George M

a little thought about George Martin and the White album: whether he pwas
the one physically responsible for the work on that album is probably not
as important as who the Beatles learnt the techniques they were using from.
A case could be made that the White album was only what it was because of
his guidance through their developing years. The Beatles had immense
talent, but Martin was one of their most important teachers in the craft,
and it's no surprise that by the time of the White album they were using
his techniques with less help from the master. Art plus craft, not one on
its own.

James

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Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970327040228.00679fe4@pop.pipeline.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 23:02:28 -0500
From: David Pardue <dpardue@pipeline.com>
Subject: who is this list dedicated to, anyway?

Roger Carvey (R+K Carvey <carveys@mail.bright.net>) wrote:

<And I better throw in some XTContent; Stephanie likes XTC and thinks
<they are a great band, and so does Amanda, and what do you know, so do
<I!

AAAAUUUUGGGGHHHH!  What I wouldn't give for someone to write a post about
XTC and then "throw in" a little Amanda content at the end, rather than the
other way around.  Who's more important around here, anyway?  Andy or
'Mandy???

Amanda's rebuttal in #3-92 accused the orignal poster of being "cocky," but
I found her defensive and unnecessary (keep it off-line, please!) response
to be far worse.  As far as I'm concerned, the original call for "just XTC
related information....that's what the rest of us are here for" is still
completely valid, and should be repeated again and again until everybody
gets the point of it.

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Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 23:24:28 -0500 (EST)
From: "Jennifer L. Geese" <jlg@tardis.svsu.edu>
Subject: Shame on you, Colin!
Message-Id: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970326232246.24210A-100000@tardis.svsu.edu>

Check out the lyrics to "I'll Set Myself On Fire".  Naughty boy, Colin.
Oral sex, anyone?  Need we say any more?

Kate & Jen

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Message-ID: <c=AU%a=_%p=DPIEXCH%l=DPIEXCH/MHOEXCH/0012CBC0@pibcrmexh001.pib.dpi.qld.gov.au>
From: "McDonald, Rojer" <McDonaRF@prose.dpi.qld.gov.au>
Subject: toads,snails and puppy dog's tails
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:29:00 +1000

Greetings,
Wow, an edition of chalkhills without Amanda! How lovely, peaceful and
civilised it was. Not some new strain of the deadly ebola virus I
trust...
Stephanie - all I can say is right on, right on, right on!
To the bloke who thought that Andy had more talent than Ray Davies -
just stop it, okay. You're forcing me to roll my sleeves up and the next
thing I might say is something appropriate like, "Oh yeah! Well my Dad
is bigger than your Dad!! (...for christ's sake...)
And just so I won't get accused of not keeping up the XTC content - did
I ever tell you  that I saw XTC in Brisbane a few years ago on a bill
that went - Flowers (they later became Icehouse), INXS (before they were
seduced by America and started writing crap music), XTC and Magazine for
about $15.00???
It was great but a few weeks earlier I saw XTC on The Old Grey Whistle
Test and I recall Andy playing in a suitably torn T-shirt and playing
some pretty manic guitar (just about salivating at the mouth!) so when
they came out here (circa Black Sea that time) they appeared very
conservative and kind of non-communicative and nervous. It wasn't 'til
recently I read in MOJO (perhaps the best music paper there is but they
better watch themselves!) that Andy suffered from stagefright so maybe
that explains something. Sorry to bother you all. Why not flame me for
my opinions sometime - but do it here when we can get a real riproaring
donnybrook going - it might relieve the Amanda - oops, sorry I meant
tedium,
Rogerfromoz

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Message-Id: <m0wAAXm-00093dE@mail.airmail.net>
Subject: Hey Mac users, let's be nice (No XTC)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 97 02:34:54 -0000
From: Della & Steve Schiavo <schiavo@airmail.net>

Fellow Mac users:

Let's not let the Mac/Wintel thing cause us to be unpleasant to Peter -
he certainly doesn't deserve it.

- Steve

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 02:48:53 -0800
Message-Id: <v01510100af5ff5a75497@[194.128.83.69]>
From: fisher@easynet.co.uk (Mark Fisher)
Subject: Hail mother motor (off topic)

> What is it about England that makes people
think they don't need to drive?   SMX

Sorry if this is a detour off topic, but I find it quite an interesting
point. I see it from the opposite way round. My experience of North America
is that once you're outside the city centres you're stumped unless you have
a car. It's not only that public transport systems are not great, it's also
that the scale of the place is not very human. There's a lot of space and
the architecture has expanded to fill it. Try walking it, and you're
quickly exhausted.

Britain is just a lot more compact. True, there are big areas of
countryside, and if you wanted to lead a rural life you could feel isolated
without a car. But for city and town dwellers, and a lot of suburbanites,
it's pretty easy to get around on foot and public transport.

I live in a city centre, and though I can drive and occasionally hire a
car, I can only think that owning a car would be a big expense and
inconvenience (not to mention an eye-sore and a polutant).

Perhaps for these reasons, Britain has never had that North American
culture that stipulates that anyone-who's-anyone gets a car for their 16th
birthday. Having said that, Britain like the rest of the Western world is
stupidly obsessed with the car, appearing to see it as a liberation instead
of the prison it generally is.

I'm not too sure why, but a lot of artists and arty-types never learn to
drive in Britain (I didn't myself until I was 23, and then only because it
was handy for the job I was doing at the time). Andy Partridge is not such
an exception. Maybe it's something to do with an avoidance of adulthood, of
not wanting to act like the grown-ups. Or maybe if the choice is between
forking out for driving lessons and putting a weekly downpayment on that
shiny red guitar, the choice is made for you.

- Mark
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~fisher/

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Message-ID: <333A90CD.223A@sprintmail.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 07:22:53 -0800
From: Stormy Monday <stormymonday@sprintmail.com>
Subject: The Smartest Radio Station

Folxtc,

I'm in NC, USA this week, and there is a Charlotte based radio station
"Deep Cuts, 95.7".  They have a wide playlist, and shy away from hits.
Early this morning, around 3:00 AM, they actually played "The Smartest
Monkeys".  Needless to say, it was a pleasant surprise.

Stormy Monday

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Subject: The Lilac Time/The Grays
From: wwilson@mail07.mitre.org (Wesley H. Wilson)
Message-Id: <970327090713.28928@mail07.mitre.org.0>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 97 09:07:15 -0500

I have seen several requests from Chalkfolk asking about The Lilac Time.

All Lilac Time CDs are out of print in the U.S., and probably in the U.K. as
well. Scour your used CD stores!

Now, I have a question. I was trying to get a CD of The Grays and it seems
both their CDs are out of print.

I would be happy to work out a tape trade with someone for The Grays. I have a
LOT of XTC. Or, if you prefer, I can send a blank Maxell XII-S tape (my
preferred tape) and return postage.

E-mail me at wwilson@mitre.com.

Excelsior!

Wes

P.S.

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From: monnickj@ubk.co.uk
Message-Id: <199703271434.OAA24982@sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:17:21 +0000
Subject: stormy mummers and then some

Stormy Monday
     I can see we differ on the beatles and I do hope you get to hear a
 'Get Back' or an Esher tape some day. When people wonder about what the
beatles would have done next I think the that the example set by the Kinks
in the 70's is instructive because life was hard and the only place to go
was downmarket ;  Long live the rutles.

     We do agree on Mummer which I have thought seriously good. I could
never understand Chris Towmey's (?) objections to it in his book . Anyway,
the 'cast away on a desert island' song sounds an ideal anthem for the
Referendum party in the forthcoming election. Mummer is one of the triptych
with black sea and O&L.

Phil Hetherington and Dylan

     As a limited enthusiast of the man I would recommend Another Side,
Bringing it all back home and Blood on the tracks. Thereafter I recommend
that you seek out the unadorned basement tapes of which there are many hours
out there. They had a lot of fun getting seriously wrecked and playing.
Unfortunately the extremely vain Robbie Robertson insisted on touching up
the originals.

     As for Swindon itself  I agree that it is pretty ghastly place to pass
through as it is girdled and disected by motorways. It does however, contain
a Sainsbury's which sells AP's favourite tea time snack, twinkies. I believe
that basingstake is more beautiful.

Mark Strijbos
     thanks for the suggested names ; I'll let you know in the next week or
two

Life begins at the hop ; the boys play beefheart ?

happy hols to you all

Jon Monnick
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Message-Id: <199703271613.KAA15231@mailhost.cyberramp.net>
From: "Ed Miller" <edmiller@cyberramp.net>
Subject: MS Riff show - Denver, CO
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 10:15:27 -0600

Hi, kids...

I'm in the process of relocating to Denver to take a new position with my
company.  We're a Microsoft Solution Provider (Mac users hurl stones now).
We just put in a high speed (T-1) connection to the Internet which will be
great for checking out Andy on the Microsoft Riff thing.

I will host a get together for the show at our office in the Denver Tech
Center.  We will have the appropriate Internet software/hardware/accounts
and I will display the video using an Infocus hi-res projector on a big (6
foot or so) screen in our conference room.  I will probably bring in my
stereo from home for audio.

If someone has a hi-fi VCR, we could tape the show for future
viewing/duplicating.

Anyone interested should email me at emiller@rjconsult.com and I will send
the particulars.

Does anyone have the exact date and time of the show????

I hope to meet some of you then!!!

Ed

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From: parreira@aquawolf.xs4all.nl (Daniel Rodrigues Parreira)
Subject: TMBG: AKA vs. AKA
Date: 25 Mar 1997 16:44:50 GMT
Message-ID: <5h8ve2$lc$1@aquawolf.xs4all.nl>

In article <970324181517_-1370731258@emout05.mail.aol.com>,
	SquirlHead@aol.com writes:
> Someone said they heard XTC vs. Adam Ant was changed to AKA vs. Adam Ant.
>  Are you sure you're not thinking of NyQuil Driver/AKA Driver?

No. It's from a very, very, very, very, very, very, very reliable source.
Check this message out:

The band known as XTC served the band known as They Might Be Giants with a
Cease and Desist order with regard to the song "XTC vs. Adam Ant."
According to Nigel Putnell, the lawyer for XTC, "The boys didn't find any
humor in it. Everybody knows Adam Ant is a gimmick band. My clients found
it insulting to be mentioned in the same song." Ironically, the attorney
made no mention of Bow Wow Wow.

Rather than fight what They Might Be Giants' lawyer (and former bassist)
Tony Maimone refers to as "litigative lunacy" the band has re-recorded the
offending lyrics and changed the title of the song to "AKA vs. Adam Ant."
"They had considered 'INXS vs. Adam Ant' but I told them I didn't want any
more shit."

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Message-ID: <83DB5638.6968@snet.net>
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1904 18:40:59 +0000
From: Andrew Lippitt <andylipp@snet.net>
Subject: Tuli Kupferberg interview

Ralph DeMarco wrote:

> FYI - The voice was a regular conservative caller to the left-wing station
> WBAI named "Frank".  Back in the 80's I used to love listening to him call
> up shows and rant about the "evil Soviets and Pan-Slavic Hegemony".
> (My guess is that Andy and John stumbled onto the Lynn Samuels
> show.)

That whole interview with Tuli Kupferberg (with the Woody sound-alike)
is circulating.  Email me privately if you want to get a copy.

Andy L.

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Message-ID: <333BF078.594B@myself.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 11:23:21 -0500
From: Ira Lieman <ira@myself.com>
Subject: Misheard (redux)

Greetings fellow Chalkies,

Just got my shipment in from Amazon.com (does this make me a dork?) and
I bought both "He's Got The Whole World In His Pants" and "'Scuse Me
While I Kiss This Guy"...the misheard song lyric books. It's a slow day
here at work, everyone's away for the holiday weekend, and I'm yukking
it up with this consultant we have working with us.

Anyway, XTC has an entry in it! I'm so happy! In Dear God, where Andy
sings, "And you believe that junk is true" the authors have it as "And
you believe in that chunky stew." Ha! I'm still wading through the first
book, but it's a riot. I recommend it to everyone!

And Mark: it was a pleasure to chat with you on the company's quarter.
:)

-ira

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From: RJCHRISTEN@aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 16:30:25 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID: <970328163024_-1537785500@emout16.mail.aol.com>
Subject: Amazing Commercial Opprotunity!!

Dear Chalkhillians,

A while back ago, there was a dicusssion on various non-musical XTC-monikered
items. Well, here's something interesiung from my latest issue of "Beverage
World" (I design bottle making production lines) in the "New Products"
column---

XTC PUTS POWER IN A CAN

"Warning: If you need a steady hand, steer clear of XTC Guarana Power Drink.
 If not, check out one of the newest energy boosting beverages to be
introduced into the US market."

Developed by Global Beverage Co., Rochester NY maker of JOLT Cola, XTC is an
8oz, citrus-flaored burst of energy, designed for the young club-goers and
people with active lifestyles. In addition to Caffeine, XTC contains energy
enhancers guarana, ginsing, B-viatmins, and amino acids."

The president of Global Beverage, C.J. Rapp also states in the article: I
won't deny that XTC is an outright racy and controversial name.... But I do
want to point out that the ingrediants are quite extraordinary and are more
often found in a health food store as opposed to something percieved as
unhealthy or bad for you..."

To me, this sure Sounds like Andy, Colin, and Dave themselves have been
distilled!!!

If you're interested, the XTC drink will will introduced in San Francisco,
Seattle, San Diego, and Lost Wages, and spread across the US, and will
probably sell for around $2 a can, which is black with a gold "XTC" going up
the can face with "[eks] [ti:] [si:]" underneath in little white lettering.

Maybe a Concert Promotion with the ORIGINAL XTC is in the works?

Naaaaaah....

RJ Christensen
RJCHRISTEN@aol.com
http://members.aol.com/RJCHRISTEN/WorldoRJ.html

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From: wisner@gryphon.com (William Wisner)
Subject: Re: MSN, Mummer, George Martin, Convention?
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 20:23:48 GMT
Message-ID: <333ec962.908842@gryphon.com>

From Digest #3-94:

>>it does make me queasy in the stomach to be pandering to some
>>promotional effort by Big Brother Microsoft.

>It sticks in my craw, too, Gene.  From one perspective, you can imagine
>the MSN marketing people deliberately targeting large, active digests
>like Chalkhills in order to convert 1,000+ people at a time over to the
>Dark Side.  If this is indeed the case, it's no surprise that a well
>maintained digest (thanks John Relph) inhabited by interesting
>intelligent folks (thanks all who post) was among the first to be
>courted in this manner.  Alas, my Mac and I will be left out of this
>one, so don't bother to download, Gene.

Now let me get this straight: there's some sort of problem here with a
large commercial enterprise trying to make money by selling people
access to Andy Partridge's creative work?

Seems to me that's what Virgin and Geffen records have been doing for
years.  And say what you will about the company, but without the
efforts of Virgin or another record company very much like them, you
and me wouldn't be listening to Andy's music today.

If the folks at MSN believe bringing Andy Partridge online is a good
way to court new customers, well, then I say that makes them pretty
much the smartest online service around.  I haven't seen America
Online signing deals with my favorite musical artists lately.

(And why is it that I'm pretty much certain that if it had been
eWorld, a couple of years ago, providing Andy Partridge content that
only Macintosh users could access, nobody would be whining like
they're doing now?)

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Message-Id: <v01540b00af64bce83024@[208.211.100.94]>
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 19:06:10 -0600
From: kmarkman@netwestonline.com (Debutante)
Subject: XTC on Le Show

Hello!

Well, I finally got to hear XTC on the radio in West Texas, and on my very
own station!

Harry Shearer (Spinal Tap, etc) does a weekly show originating from KCRW in
Santa Monica, CA, called "Le Show," where he does comedy bits, plays music,
and is generally satirical.  Anyway, on the show which fed today, Sunday
March 30, he played The Dissapointed!  Needless to say, my boyfriend and I
certainly were not!  Then to top it off, after XTC he did a little skit
skewering public radio interview shows, and followed that with Ben Folds
Five's new song!

It was very cool to hear both artists played virtually back-to back, and
maybe this means Harry's a fan?

Anyway, for those of you interested, Le Show is offered free to all public
radio stations, so if your's doesn't carry it, then bug them to!

And don't forget the upcoming pledge drives!

from the shameless plug division,
Kris
:)

*****Support public radio!*****Make a pledge!*****

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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 09:09:31 -0600 (CST)
From: AMANDA CARYL OWENS <ACOEA@jazz.ucc.uno.edu>
Subject: A few tidbits and asides.....
Message-id: <01IH5AD7MKCE8XLQ7B@jazz.ucc.uno.edu>

I'm back, after my weeklong Easter vacation spent visiting my old high
school and talking to the English teacher I lusted after whilst I was
there......

Yes, in Chalkhills and CHildren there is mention of Andy and his girlfriend
of three years becoming involved in a little triangle with a guy that liked
Andy, said guy was liked by Andy's girlfriend. It does say they all climbed
into bed one evening, although Andy remarked it was an idiotic move and the
whole thing crumbled soon thereafter. There is also mention that while was
working for a newpaper, magazine, I can't recall, the movie critic was
highly flamboyant and openly gay, and whenever a new movie came along and he
didn't have someone to go with, he'd ask Andy. In exchange for the free
movie ticket and as much popcorn as he could stomach, Andy would let this
guy rest his hand on his knee.

And now a few responses......

Bob-MMMM, watermelon jello shot, I can taste it now.....BTW, it's pronounced
N'awlins by us Yats from the Big Easy. Bourbon Street is not my favorite
hangout. (I prefer to walk where I don't have to check every two minutes to
see if my purse is still hanging on my shoulder.) And I don't reall seeing
that toy soldier place. (Mind you, I've only been to BS a few times.)

Roger-(Blush blush) Why thank you ever so much.

Last time I checked, Mike Foster was the governor of Louisiana. (And also
holds the higest approval rating of any governor in the US right now.)

And as far as the endless blather, part of being on Chalkhills includes
hearing stuff that has nothing to do with the band. But, as far as I'm
concerned, the whole six degrees thing works well with what I
post. Observe.....

DAVID DUCHOVNY-Someone on a David Duchovny list said they like XTC. I posted
this news to the XTC list.

CRASH TEST DUMMIES-No explanation necessary for that one.

WOW! I didn't expect to get all the mail I've been getting regarding my list
of stuff for trade! I must state this, though. I swear in the names of Brad
Roberts and Dave Gregory that I will tape everything that everyone has asked
me for, HOWEVER, it might take some time. Money is very lean in my family
right now, so it'll take awhile to but tapes. I must state again that I
cannot dub video, however. (Umm hello, I mean BUY tapes, not BUT them!) But
I'll get back to everyone as soon as I compile a complete list of what needs
to be taped and who sent me what and all that good stuff.

XTC SIGHTINGS.....

On another M2 preview, I believe this was on Thursday, (How's this for
irony?)  A Ben Folds Five video was played. (Can't recall the title, but it
begins with piano and two guys going DOOO DOOO DOOO DO DO DO) and right
after that, the video for Senses Working Overtime was played!

In church on Sunday, I swear to Gregsy, the pianist was playing Rook.

Adios mi amigos,
Amanda
XTC song of the day-Easter Theatre
non-XTC song of the day: Androgynous-Paul Westerberg & CTD

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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 09:40:40 -0600 (CST)
From: AMANDA CARYL OWENS <ACOEA@jazz.ucc.uno.edu>
Subject: Addendum onto my DESPERATELY NEEDS list.......
Message-id: <01IH5BWDXG128XLQ7B@jazz.ucc.uno.edu>

I know there are plenty of Canadian XTC'ers on this list, so listen up! If
any of you have anything REMOTELY Crash Test Dummies that you'd be willing
to trade for my stuff, let me know please! I have a lot of CTD stuff, but I
know there's probably a lot I don't have. (Although we can get MuchMusic
down here, enough people have to call our cable company for them to add it
into the lineup!)

Thanks and later,
Amanda
(And for some more new French I'm just learning) Voulez vou coucher avec moi?
(Anyone answers "oui", I will scream)
Je me souviens du soleil

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From: Nick.Key@solent.ac.uk
Message-ID: <8025646C.00528171.00@notesgw.solent.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 15:04:57 +0000
Subject: Chips from the Chocolate One

Hi

I bought 'Chips from the Chocolate Fireball' on saturday from HMV for 15
quid  - gotta love it!

Nick

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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 09:53:35 -0600 (CST)
From: AMANDA CARYL OWENS <ACOEA@jazz.ucc.uno.edu>
Subject: This freaked me the hell out.....
Message-id: <01IH6QC0ZXNM8XKMRB@jazz.ucc.uno.edu>

I've been trying to keep my posts down to one per digest, but I had to post
this while it was still fresh in my mind........because this really spooked
me.

Last night I had a nightmare. (Yes, 19-year olds do still have nightmares,
except we don't wake mommy up to tell her abou it.) XTC was in it, or
rather, was NOT in it. That's the whole point. Anyways, I can't recall
exactly what the dream began as, but I remember waking up and seeing my
parents sitting around the table whispering. The strange thing was my
brothers were up too, and they sleep in on a daily basis. I distinctly heard
my dad say "Don't let her read the paper". Then they heard me come in and
tried to hide the morning paper from me. I must have my paper, so I tried to
grab it from my dad. He kept holding it back and saying "I don't want you to
begin the day like this. It's best you not see it." By that time I was
ticked, so I just ripped it out of his hands. On the front page was the
headline MOTOR ACCIDENT LEAVES TWO DEAD, ONE SERIOUSLY INJURED This
overwhelming sense of dread came over me as I read on....."A car crash early
this morning has left two passengers dead, the driver in critical
condition." As I went on to read, it said that Andy had gotten pissed out of
his mind, along with Dave and Colin, (although those words were not the ones
used), Andy stole a car, not knowing how to drive, and hit a building. He
was the one who had managed to escape death. I remember falling in a sobbing
heap on the floor, crying "He killed them. He killed them".

I woke up crying this morning. My face was buried in my pillow and I was
really upset. I couldn't eat or anything this morning. I don't know what it
is...just the thought of anything like that happening scares me. My mom kept
remarking that I looked pale. I just told her I had a bad dream and left it
at that. I can't remember the last time a dream upset me so much.

So how's everyone else's day been going?

Sweet dreams,
Amanda
Je me souviens du soleil

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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 17:56:48 -0500 (EST)
Message-Id: <199704012256.RAA13122@cyber1.servtech.com>
From: Joshua Hall-Bachner <particle@servtech.com>
Subject: Everything was gold...

Ah, I'm back (from the hospital, where I just had my appendix out...) and I
find two Chalkhills waiting for me. After the relative drought of late, this
seems promising. Even more promising would be news of a contract... :)

>REM are a cut above the average million selling rock bands of this era.
>But they do not, and should not command the same respect that XTC
>receives from anyone who is more than casually familiar with both of
>their collective recorded outputs.

Hmmm. Interesting. Certainly R.E.M. has been far more influential in
crafting rock music this past decade. Surely _Murmur_ was far more
innovative (in broad terms) than any one individual XTC album. IMHO, they're
just two bands who are lucky enough to be made up of excellent musicians and
very talented lyricists. R.E.M. just has a regular drummer, is all. :)

>Mummer is such a fine example of the high art that is exclusively XTC,
>and I am often amazed at some of the lukewarm to negative comments that
>this perfect album (in its original form, that is) receives from people
>that consider themselves serious fans of these fine musicians.

Unfortunately, I have to rank Mummer second-last. It has good moments;
Beating of Hearts and LoaFW definitely qualify. But it really falls short as
a whole. Wonderland's bop-bass and cheesy nature effects do nothing to back
up a rather half-hearted commentary from Colin. The good bits (like the
bridge) in Human Alchemy even out with the bad bits, like the moaning.
Ladybird is a good song where the production on the vocal really hurts it
for me. Really, the album as a whole just seems lacking to me; there's not a
single song I would consider a standout, and in the process of passing
through three sets of hands the production was really mangled. Just my
opinion, of course... hey, I love Nonsuch, so what do I know?

>The fact that even the B-sides are good (and that includes
>"Frost Circus" and "Procession Through Learning Land") shows that Andy, at
>least, was touched by some sort of righteous angel during that period.

Actually, XTC has tended to have pretty good B-sides, overall. The Black Sea
B-sides, for example, are excellent additions to the CD, as are the TBE
B-sides. And one has only to glance at R&BB to unearth such gems as Blame
the Weather, Angry Young Men, and HIPWBG. Even now, where we get demos
instead of honest to goodness studio B-sides, we still get great tracks like
Always Winter, Never Christmas.

>the Go 2 sweater you knitted etc etc

Actually, an Are You Recieving Me? sweater would be damn cool. And pretty
easy to make, as sweater patterns go, I guess. Anyone want to get production
started? :)

On a final note -- that four cassette rarity extravaganza I've been
promising y'all for, well, too long now is still coming along. However, I'm
still missing a full copy of "Paper Snow" and the person who promised to dub
the Waxworks mix of "Wait Till Your Boat Goes Down" hasn't returned my last
e-mail. So, please, help a fellow Man of the Chalk. If you can find it in
your heart to help me get copies of one or both of these songs (and this
time I really am sure that there aren't any others... :) please e-mail me.
Once I get them, notification of the tape's release should be forthcoming
soon. Thanks!

Josh
Pretty turns to pretty ugly...

/-------------Joshua Hall-Bachner-------------Chaos Harlequin-------------\
|     particle@servtech.com    http://www.servtech.com/public/particle/   |
|"We all have our idiosyncracies -- maybe thinning hair, or gum disease." |
\---- Kowanko, "Will You Come To?" ------ Thank You, And Goodnight. ------/

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