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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 3, Number 68

                 Friday, 17 January 1997

Today's Topics:

                     Re: Sugarplastic
                 Educate The World To XTC
                        Oh! We Go!
                    XTC on Eastenders
          Someone else's wheels on a rented road
               Greatest Living Santa Claus
                      OK. I give up.
                  Andy and the Residents
                   acoustic / electric
                          Steve
     More Lillywhite (does he have his own web site?)
                       re: swindon
                   The Return of Jason
                demo song "Easter Theater"
                  SPA (songs per album)
                    They're Peachy!!!
       Word Formation and Other Fascinating Topics
                   Re: Wrapped In Grey
                   Beatles & XTC covers
                     Residential Andy
                   Girl Bands and More!
                   Vapors & Girl Bands

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Message-Id: <v01540b04af024dbece91@[199.171.191.53]>
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 02:10:30 -0700
From: gondola@deltanet.com (Eb)
Subject: Re: Sugarplastic

>From: David Pardue <dpardue@pipeline.com>
>
>What a great year -- music-wise, of course -- 1997 is going to turn out to
>be!  It seems every few days I hear about another album which is due out
>this year.  So far, I'm looking forward to:
>
>Sugarplastic's 2nd album, hopefully?

THIRD album, you mean. And Ben is recording demos as we speak....

Eb

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Message-Id: <9701151056.AA3168@mailgate.mandg.co.uk>
From: David Goody/M&G <David_Goody@mandg.co.uk>
Date: 15 Jan 97 10:55:28
Subject: Educate The World To XTC

I present a show on Thameside Hospital Radio, which provides a service to
2000 beds in Southend General Hospital (thats in England!). This week, I
used Dave Gershman's XTC Desert Island Top 15 to fill one hour solid with
the best XTC tracks as voted for by your good selves. I don't know how many
of the listeners enjoyed it, but I can assure you that I certainly did! If
as many Chalkhillians as possible can play XTC to the uneducated, we could
still convert the world to XTCism.

As a matter of interest, I have a copy of the UK Post Office Postcode
(that's Zip Codes to our American friends) CD-Rom in my PC at work, and I
have noticed (sad though I may be), that there are the following entries:-

 Nonsuch Primary School, Birmingham
 Nonsuch Industrial Estate, Epsom, Surrey
 Nonsuch Park Hotel, Epsom, Surrey
 Nonsuch Primary School, Epsom, Surrey
 Nonsuch High School For Girls, Epsom, Surrey
 Walkers Nonsuch Ltd., Stoke-On-Trent

and finally...

 Nonsuch, Partridge Green, Horsham, West Sussex.

There is a whole area around Epsom which contains many roads named Nonsuch
Way, Nonsuch Place etc., and there are at least 50 houses around the UK
named Nonsuch.  And the question remains.....was the person responsible for
naming new roads in Horsham an XTC fan? "Nonsuch" and "Partridge Green"?
Surely too much of a coincidence?!?!

Happy New Year!

Dave.

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From: McGREGOC <McGREGOC@regents.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 13:54:31 +00
Subject: Oh! We Go!
Message-ID: <22B26B1670B@asdf011.regents.ac.uk>

Hullooooo!

I just want to start off by thanking those who enlightened me about
Meccanic Dancing.  It wasn't as exciting as I thought it might be.
Damn.
My little brain was working over time.

I must say to that I also discovered I had the last part wrong too!
Had no idea that it was "to a disco trot from Germany".  I always
thought it was "to a discotec in Germany".  Thanks for clearing that
up J.D. SMX.

Josh says:
>>I was theorizing that,perhaps, many people *assume* that as fact
and use it to justify their dislike of later albums.

Oh.

I was one of those who read you wrong!  BUT I still think the way I
read it was still an interesting notion.  Its not too much
different form the original intent.  Really, though, could there be
an end to someone's creativity? Does each person posess a talent that
can be exhausted?  Is that a fear that lives in the back of the minds
of musicians?  Kinda like writing books and getting writers block
that never ends.  That is really depressing!  I need to stop
pondering on this I think.

>>"She has sex once singing in her sauna"

OOOOHHHH-EEEEEE,Josh!  You sound like a red-blooded male thinking
about sex!  Whats wrong with you?!  How dare you be human and think
of sex!  Some People, I tell ya.  ( Please note the humor in this BUT
then my humor isn't quite up to par says some folks! Humph!)

Re:  Exterrestrials in Swindon

I was listening to the news a few days ago and appearantly twins were
born in Swindon weeks apart, yes that was WEEKS apart.  That must
have been Hell giving birth!  I have forgotten how many weeks but the name
 of the dad was......Andy. BusyMan! First frightening people as an
alien, now fathering twins born weeks apart.  It will amaze your
enemies and confuse your friends!
 Not Mr.P ofcourse, but thought it fun just the same.

To Christopher R. Coolidge and the Partidge/Lovich connection,  Thats
cool!  How clever of you to have known that bit of trivia!  Yikes!  I
wonder if there might be a possible hidden duet there?!
Come Forth! Anyone who might have this mind blowing tidbit!

My posts seem to be growing!

>From Simon " Mr. Nonsuch.UK"
>>Music you should not be without at the present.....*anything* by
Kenickie-but especially "In Your Car"

Really?!  (she asks Baffled)  Okay that little "yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah" part is catchy but I can't see myself rushing out to buy their
stuff.  That whole girlband thing.  Refer to my post in the previous
digest.  And I was totally disillusioned by their TOTP performance.
Barbies with gutairs.  I kept worring that the glitter would get in
the lead singer's eyes if she moved too much.  Perhaps, she thought
the same.  She looked lifeless.  That kinda ruined the song for me.

The song I can't seem to get out of my head lately is "Helicopter".
I'm running around like I'm on a serious dose of caffine!  Too hyper!

Enjoying Life in London yours truly,

Cheryl

"yeah,yeah  yeah, yeah  Yeah!  Yeah!  Yeah!" -Kenickie

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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 12:22:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Allan Hislop <Allan_Hislop_at_UKCDEE01@ccmail.bms.com>
Subject: XTC on Eastenders
Message-id: <9700158533.AA853347699@ccgate1.bms.com>

     Simon Knight wrote:
     >Whilst taking part in the last minute christmas shopping war my eye
     >was drawn away from the flash and glitter of department store tinsel
     >by a a silver case with those familiar letters splashed across the
     >top.  Closer inspection revealed a new brand of aftershave named
     >after our Swindonians... with matching deodorant.
     >(snip)
     >Pretty sexy silver and black package design though.

     Aaah, that would explain the sight of a leather (look?) black bomber
     jacket as worn by bisexual Tony in BBC's Eastenders that had XTC in
     silver lettering on the left chest.
     I knew it couldn't be a band item and had to do with a product with
     the same name - it must be the new aftershave.  Perhaps a new
     promotion gave away those jackets.  Has anyone else seen one, or know
     where to get one?

     I want one.

     Allan

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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 09:14:11 -0500 (EST)
Message-Id: <199701151414.JAA12319@cyber1.servtech.com>
From: Joshua Hall-Bachner <particle@servtech.com>
Subject: Someone else's wheels on a rented road

>I bought the CD single easily at the time and am now
>confussed as to weather this is a rareity

Very much so! I can't recall exactly, but I seem to recall the CD single for
WiG going for $50 in some circles. There are only, what, 500 copies in
existence?

>what would it take to get Colin to agree to do the bootleg album?????

Divine intervention? A cash prize of $10,000? Bewitchment?

>If there is more than 40 songs floating around and Andrew wants to do 2 albums
>with 10 songs each, what's going to happen to the other songs?????

Unfortunately, probably fall into demo limbo like usual. And since Andy
doesn't *give* those demos to anyone anymore, due to the unfortunate
incident with the Demos discs, we'll never get to hear them. *pout*

>10 songs an album seems a bit stingy in this CD age.  Why not make
>just the one album with 20 songs?

Agreed. Or, better still, why not make *two* CDs with 20 songs each?

>At least the bootleg album idea was an honest ripoff.

I don't understand why you refer to it as a "ripoff." I assume that this
comes from the same attitude that makes all the rock critics go "They're
putting out material that isn't a normal album -- they're *forcing* their
fans to buy it! It's a ripoff!" I think if the fans *want* something like
that, I hardly think it's a ripoff. And the fans *do* want it -- why else
did Mitch get well over one hundred people writing to him saying that the
answer to his query was an emphatic "YES"?

>What's Andy's excuse for the lackluster sales of Fossil Fuels?
Would a couple of new tracks made the difference?  A better booklet
>put together by someone with a spellchecker?

I don't think you can put the blame on Andy here. The band really had
nothing to do with Fossil Fuel. Complain, instead, about "Upsy Daisy," which
seems (to me) to be absolutely worthless unless it either includes
re-recorded versions of the songs (yum) or new tracks.

>Sugarplastic's 2nd album, hopefully?

Third. _Radio Jejune_ was their debut, _Bang, The Earth Is Round_ their
sophomore effort.

Josh
I see nations playfully hurl snowballs packed with stone and clay
/---------------------------Joshua Hall-Bachner---------------------------\
|     particle@servtech.com    http://www.servtech.com/public/particle/   |
|"We all have our idiosyncracies -- maybe thinning hair, or gum disease." |
\---- Kowanko, "Will You Come To?" ------ Thank You, And Goodnight. ------/

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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 09:14:00 -0500
Message-Id: <97011509140039@mbcc.mass.edu>
From: sharedon@mbcc.mass.edu (Don)
Subject: Greatest Living Santa Claus

I want to thank the Santa who kindly dubbed "Look Look" for me - after
sending money to Canada like a fool, the generosity of a list member means
that, at long last, I get to see and hear XTC!

My own video capabilities are limited, but I'd like very much to be as
generous to other folks.  If you are as full of longing to see this video as
I was, e-mail me privately - I'll see if I can borrow a 2d VCR to help you
out.

And thanks again, Santa, who knows who he is....  it truly was the noblest
present I received this last Xmas!

Don

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Message-Id: <199701151649.KAA29225@mamba.arlut.utexas.edu>
Subject: OK. I give up.
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 10:49:17 -0600 (CST)
From: "Stuart McDow" <smcdow@arlut.utexas.edu>

OK.

I've been resisting requesting information about the demos. But it now
looks like we'll have to wait several more months for the new
album(s). I'm so starved for new material I could cry, and all this
talk about the news songs is exacerbating my condition. I'm getting
desperate.

SO: Could someone _please_ send me information about getting a copy of
any and all demos that are out there? And also the address of the band
so I can send them some money in lieu of royalty payments.

please please please please please please please please please please

Thanks.

--
Stuart McDow                                      Applied Research Laboratories
smcdow@arlut.utexas.edu                       The University of Texas at Austin

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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 15:59:00 +0100 (CET)
From: James Isaacs <jisaacs1@aixterm1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>
Subject: Andy and the Residents
Message-Id: <Pine.A32.3.91.970115155722.49510C-100000@aixterm1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>

In reply to the last issue, Andy sings on "Margaret Freeman".  The
Residents Commercial Album comes highly recommended from this fella.
James

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Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=KPS_Group._Inc.%l=KPSINF-NT040-970115171044Z-1249@kpsinf-nt040.KPSGROUP.COM>
From: "Purnell, Vernon" <VePurne@kpsgroup.com>
Subject: acoustic / electric
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 11:10:44 -0600

Simon Knight wrote:

Does anyone else like this idea of dividing the songs between acoustic
and electric?  I'd rather the songs were mixed in together in a "grab
bag" style where you didn't really know what you were going to get
next.

Since you asked, I for one think it's a grand idea, though not original:
 Richard Thompson divided his last release you? me? us? into 2 discs,
acoustic & electric, and packaged them together for the price of a
single disc, his reasoning being that a) the songs flowed together
better that way and b) cds have become too long for a single listening
experience for most people.  I tend to agree with him.  The "grab bag"
approach doesn't interest me very much -- I prefer a more unified feel.

Oh, and Heather:  Drums and Wires is, contentiously, their best album
(or one of them, at least).      Discussion will hopefully ensue for
your benefit.

Vernon

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Date: 15 Jan 1997 17:11:13 -0000
Message-ID: <19970115171113.20598.qmail@hotmail.com>
From: "Ben Gott" <xtcfan@hotmail.com>
Subject: Steve

Chalkmonsters,

We must remember that Steve Lillywhite has not lost any popularity as a
producer: whatdya call Dave Matthews Band's "Under the Table and Dreaming"
and Phish's "Billy Breathes"? Yargh! They were both produced by Steve (at
least, I believe they were). O&L man Paul Fox once said in the Phish
newsletter that his dream concert would be to see XTC perform...

Last night, after a very emotional evening testifying on a friend's behalf
in front of my school's disciplinary committee, I jumped in the car and put
"English Settlement" (my lucky CD) on, full blast. I took the *really* long
way home, and sang along to Yacht Dance, Melt ze Guns, Leisure, Snowman,
It's Nearly Africa (twice), and Knuckle Down. It was cool. I love this
album.

Peter Gabriel rocks. I just got "Cv," a compilation of videos from the "So"
album -- including my favorite song of all time, "Mercy Street." Does anyone
else think that Genesis sucked after he left?

I am submitting an interview with David Yazbek to my school newspaper today;
my best friend Bob is reviewing the album. If anyone would like a hard copy
of the interview, let me know in about two weeks (or send me an e-mail now,
and I'll get back to you). It should also be up on my web-site soon. Hey
Yazbek: could you e-mail me?

Ben

* -------------------------------------------
Ben Gott
http://www.wp.com/58596
The Hotchkiss School
"Been in the cold too long-along-along..."

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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 12:28:46 -0500 (EST)
Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970115123137.268793e8@mindspring.com>
From: jes <xtc@mindspring.com>
Subject: More Lillywhite (does he have his own web site?)

"J. D. SMX" <jsmelser@access.tucson.org> wrote:

>Steve Lillywhite produced U2, Joan Armatrading, XTC, Urban Verbs,
>and more, but why no one seems to use him anymore is a good question.
>Maybe his "sound," just isn't hip and 90's.

I wonder how the Dave Matthews Band's fans feel about that statement.

JH3 <jh3@netins.net> wrote, with regard to my Lillywhite post:

>Presumably you're referring to U2 (unless you also count the mixing on "The
>Joshua Tree" in which case it's four), but don't forget the three albums he
>produced for his wife, Kristy Macoll. I heard somewhere they're working on a
>fourth now...

I stand corrected.  Yes, he does work with Kirsty MacColl lately, since he
is (presumably) sleeping with her.  And yes, the answer to my question
(which was less a trivia question than just a plea for someone to prove me
wrong) was U2.  I recall having a sense of shock to discover that U2 had
enlisted him to produce "War," especially in light of the slagging that
"October" took in the press, where critics (and the buying public) didn't
especially care for the hollow, cavernous feeling of the record.  (Of
course, that album had a LOT more problems than that.  For one thing, I
recall reading that Bono had lost his lyric book during the North American
tour that preceded recording for "October," and if I'm not mistaken, in
interviews he expressed a certain heartlessness about the album.  It was
almost like he was getting tired of U2 after only one album.  amazing.)

I said:
>>And that begs an even more philosophical question.  Lillywhite's
productions
>>have always been sterling and unique.  I daresay that those who love XTC
>>grew that love from his work on D&W and Black Sea.

And he said:
>Yow! Aren't you generalizing here... just a LITTLE BIT?

Not really.  I imagine that if you were to poll most users of this list, you
would find that the demographics fall into two camps.... the early listeners
(people like me, approaching 40, who discovered the band in the 70's when
they were still touring), and the later listeners (younger, discovered the
band after a disenchantment with so-called "alternative" radio, who turned
to college radio, or began experimenting with new material that was not
getting air play).  The early listeners, like me, will probably list "Black
Sea" as their favorite XTC album (except in my case, where I will list "D&W"
and "Skylarking" as my two faves) because that's the one that grabbed them.
And I will maintain that Lillywhite was CRITICAL to the essense of that
(incredible) album.

>>He shaped Great Albums by bands that sucked (like Penetration, The
>>Brains, early Siouxie & Those Banshees, Ultravox!).

I have both Penetration albums, as well as the album that Martin Hannett did
with Pauline Murray.  I don't know anything else about them except those two
albums (the first of which was produced by Colin Thurston, I believe), and I
cannot believe that they ever "kicked butt."  They were pale, bland
imitations of early Blondie.

The Brains were a so-so band from Atlanta, and they issued one superb single
of "Money Changes Everything," which netted them a contract with Mercury,
and the attention of Lillywhite, who was doing a lot of recording in Atlanta
at the time.  The band suffered from two distinct problems;  one was a lack
of direction (guitar versus keyboard;  punk versus PneuWave;  pop versus
rock), and the other was an inability to understand that buried beneath all
that fuzz and distortion was one helluva songwriter in Tom Gray (whose
material provided hits for Cyndi Lauper and Manfred Mann).  Their live shows
were genuine messes, which relegated them to the status of Perpetual Warm-Up
Act, reaching their peak when they opened for Devo at the Fox Theatre.  (Ok,
that's a generalization, but I am on my soapbox.)  But their two albums on
Mercury (instant cut-outs) are really very good.

Siouxie's "Scream" was produced by Lillywhite.  It's unlistenable, but in an
oddly attractive way.  He tried to turn chicken shit into chicken salad.  I,
for one, have never understood the appeal for Siouxie Sioux, but that's just
me.  She obviously has her fans.  Then again, so does Robert Smith and
Marylin Manson, which proves that there is no end to the supply for suckers
in this world.

Ultravox! started out as a semi-interesting band, with John Foxx on lead
vocals, but quickly became self-parody.  You were right that Eno was
credited as producer, but the lore indicates that Lillywhite was left to the
majority of the production work because of Eno's lack of interest in the
project.  And, after Foxx left, a thin New Romantics has-been was created.

My point is, simply, that with the exception of Siouxie, every one of these
bands is now completely defunct with no real interest associated with them.
Yet, Lillywhite was able to shape really good albums from them, all bearing
his indelible stamp (large drum sound, cavernous effects, unusual tunings,
and vocals up in the mix).  I suggest that Lillywhite was able to work
miracles with them because he is worth every pence they were paying.

Of course, I could be wrong.

*----------------------------------------------------------------------------
J.E.Sumrell
http://www.lexxicon.com/tenbyjes.htm

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Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970115174111.0068241c@pop.pipeline.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 12:41:11 -0500
From: David Pardue <dpardue@pipeline.com>
Subject: re: swindon

JimSmart@hula.net wrote:

<I checked my journal that I kept on my trip to England last March, and i
<definitely drove through Swindon! If only I had been on chalkhills then, I
<might have made a stop. BTW, if one is on chalkhills, wouldn't one sink
<into the chalk? Where would be the most interesting XTC related stop?

Without a doubt, the place to go is Whitehorse Hill, the Uber-Chalkhill
itself, which is in a little bus-stop hamlet called Uffington, just seven
miles east of Swindon.  Beautiful views, wonderous history, and a perfect
place for a picnic if the weather cooperates.  And if you're like me, you'll
take an XTC album or two along.  I go to England yearly, and always try to
make a stop there -- with a different XTC album each time (next trip is the
beginning of March; albums:  Mummer & Big Express, especially for the "over
the roofs of Swindon town" line in "Red Brick Dream" that you mentioned).

I also once navigated through Swindon Old Town using the "Moulding's Map of
Swindon" included in Go2 -- never did locate those "places of self-abuse"
though...  There's a good bookshop in Swindon as well...  can't remember the
name of it.

Someday we should hold a Chalkhills, The Official XTC Mailing List
Convention on Whitehorse Hill.  I'll bring the Twiglets.

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Message-Id: <v01550100af02c8b6be88@[146.6.72.28]>
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 11:48:51 -0600
From: h.h.name@mail.utexas.edu (Guy in a Dress)
Subject: The Return of Jason

And now, the announcement you've all been waiting for...

Hi.  I'm back.

Further comments as digests are digested.

Jason Garcia

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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 11:33:37 -0700 (MST)
From: J A White <J.A.White@m.cc.utah.edu>
Subject: demo song "Easter Theater"
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970115112050.23192B@cor>

Greetings fellow fans (or fanatics, whatever you may)

I recently heard on our excellent "alternative" station here in Salt Lake
City one of the new XTC demo tapes which have yet to be released. This
was about a month ago, I have been too busy to post. But I do recall the
song, and my surprise and excitement at hearing the dj's words "here is
some new XTC." Apparently one of the dj's is a huge XTC fan and got a
hold of some demo tapes. Anyway, the song is called "Easter Theater." It
immediately made me think of "Dear Madam Barnum" from the nonsuch album,
however, there was much more extensive orchestration. A great song,
definitely, and a positive nod if this is the direction the boys choose
to pursue. Well, I noticed all the recent chalkhills postings concerning
demo tapes and thought I should report that even here in remote Utah
there is progress.
Has anyone else heard "Easter Theater?" What do you think? I haven't
heard it since then, but am anxious to hear anything new, seeing as how
most of my favorite bands haven't put out anything new for years..

Hola, mis companeros!!
jw

"Deliver us from the Elements..."

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Message-ID: <5CE7D72F01291300@ametsoc.org>
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 97 14:54:00 -0500
From: dgershmn <dgershmn@ametsoc.org>
Organization: AMS
Subject: SPA (songs per album)

Josh commented, in relation to the upcoming album(s):
>...I'm curious about the "10 songs" bit. On Nonsvch we got 17. I think
>if we're only going to get 10 songs on each album I'd rather have one
>80 minute album. Or pump it up to about 15 songs per album; I mean, they
>certainly have enough songs!

Back before you were born, Josh, the average (vinyl) album had 10-12 songs,
and folks were quite happy with that. Now, thanks to the CD, which can hold
much more music, it seems that musicians (or, at least, record companies)
feel like they have to fill all that space just because it's available. Or
maybe it's pressure from the fans, who feel that if they're going to have to
pay twice as much for a CD as they did for an album, they should at least
get twice as much music. Well, frankly, although I do feel that the music
industry unnecessarily charges WAY too much for CDs, I'd prefer 10 excellent
songs on a CD with plenty of extra room left over than a full CD consisting
of as much filler as quality songs. I think of it as the "Sandinista" effect
(that's referring to the triple-record Clash album, for those of you who
might not be familiar with it)... a concisely great album will have much
longer-lasting impact than a lengthy, meandering album with a few great
songs scattered throughout.
 I guess my point is that if Andy and Co. want to trim down the number of
songs per album to those that they feel are the best of the bunch, I'd be
perfectly happy with that. No sense filling it up just for the sake of it.
Of course, having said that, how many "filler" songs have XTC put out?
(Don't answer that...it's rhetorical.)

Till our boat goes down,

Dave

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From: R-MACDONALD@TANDBCBC.bcbc.gov.bc.ca
Date: 15 Jan 97 11:52:00 -0800
Message-Id: <199701151153.AA28473@TANDBCBC.bcbc.gov.bc.ca>
Subject: They're Peachy!!!

  I have only caught glancing mention of the Demo's Mr Partridge (Andy, if
I can be so familiar)  wrote for James and the Giant Peach since I
joined Chalkhills several months ago.
  Would someone be kind enough to send me in the right direction for
archived digests that would fill me in on the whole story about these songs.
  Since I got copies of the demo's (a huge thanks to Keith!) I have been
playing them for a bunch of people who love the Roal Dahl book (some who
are XTC fans and some who had NEVER heard of them).  The concensus has been
that EVERYBODY loves these songs! and wishes they had been used in the movie.
  I've had people phone me up to tell me they had "The Stinking Rich Song"
stuck in their heads a week after hearing it!
  It saddens me to think that another break (or at least some potention
income) for Andy and the band fell through their grasp once again.

  For those of you who havn't heard the new demo's I can agree with many
earlier postings that there are some very strong songs.  "Hit songs"....
well that's another thing.

  Here's a story that is sort of related to an earlier string.  My sister in
law has been staying with us for a month and while she is here she has been
making use of our large CD collection to make mixed tapes for herself.  Well
it's just about driven me mad.  She will make a decision on a song in about
20 seconds!!!!  In her words, "I only want songs that I will really like".
Which of course I exasperatingly reply, "But how can you know if you'll
really like it in 20 seconds!!!!  Some of my favourite songs took me three
or four or ten listens before I fell in love with them."  Well needless to
say she wouldn't listen.  I'd have to say most of her tapes are filled with
songs that's main criteria is that they don't offend.  Sting featured
highly.  I kept trying different bands for her to hear but it was amazing
how harsh some of your favourite CD's can sound when you know the person
listening is hating it.  Anyways to round things out.....she did like the
songs that Andy wrote for J&TGP, she got to hear them enough times that they
seeped into her head like a top 40 song on commercial radio.

  Cheers, Rob.

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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 16:01:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Philip M Adamek <adamek@ACSU.Buffalo.EDU>
Subject: Word Formation and Other Fascinating Topics
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.970115142346.6862B-100000@lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu>

	"The French language is like the stiff French garden of Louis XIV,
while the English is like an English park, which is laid out without any
definite plan, and in which you are allowed to walk everywhere according
to your fancy without having to fear a stern keeper enforcing rigorous
regulations."   -- Otto Jespersen

	So I believed.  But now I must confess: a few weeks ago, on a dark
December night, when wondering how I might express the 'state or quality
of being metaphorical,' I chose not the Webster's sanctioned
"metaphoricalness," but instead tacked on a Frenchy ending and came up
with "metaphoricity."  Now, with contrite heart, I tell you that at that
moment the dictionary word seemed to me long-legged.  No matter. Three
separate contributors to Chalkhills swiftly discovered my infraction and
have since pronounced their verdicts and sentences: public ridicule and an
official call for intolerance to all that I might say in the future.  And
so be it.  I renounce my privileges to the public use of the English
language!  Shame overwhelms me!  I cover myself with ashes and will
forever wear a hair shirt!

	And yet! if allowed a last word of self-defense, I would venture
to remark, with all due respect to my weighty judges, that English
speakers have been using Frenchy endings on native or borrowed words for
over ten centuries.  When, for instance, instead of using "verboseness,"
someone opted for the more even-paced "verbosity," which is more as the
French had always had it.  So, I am at a loss--a respectful loss, I assure
you--as to why one would be restricted from making such a choice today.
Indeed, when performing his penalty of sarcasm on me, Stormy Allgood (or,
I'm sorry, is it Stormy "Toubon"?), seemed himself satisfied with the
Frenchy choice.  And so, in a final plea, I would just submit this request
to Stormy: Perhaps you do not have to go as far as to melt the guns, but
if you insist on doing so, you should at least begin by removing the gun
barrel that's resting on your tongue.

	Of course, I would have preferred that you judges had done as
other subscribers to Chalkhills (Natalie Jane Jacobs, Joshua Hall-Bachner)
and responded to my thoughts on XTC.  That is why I made explicit requests
to that effect.  Or, would my judges say, on the contrary, that my larger
crime was to mistake this mailing list as a forum for an exchange of ideas
and information on a great band?

	Whatever the case, I hate to play the denouncer, but these
legislators of the language who currently sit atop Chalkhills could, I am
sure, work through the lyrics of a certain Andy Partridge and there
uncover offenses against the language worthy of confining this brash poet
to the Gulag.  It would make for an entertaining case.  Perhaps even one
to rival O.J. Simpon's.

	"Take him away!"

	"Let him be silenced!"

_______________
Philip Adamek
SUNY at Buffalo
_______________

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Message-Id: <199701160021.BAA23116@utrecht.knoware.nl>
From: "Mark Strijbos" <mmello@knoware.nl>
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 01:24:20 +0000
Subject: Re: Wrapped In Grey

Dear Chalkies,

Last issue Stephen Hughes asked about the Wrapped In Grey
(CD) single "that never was".

I know of several CD singles in XTC collections around the globe
but i know of only one 7"single.
The latter could very well be even rarer than the, almost proverbial,
mint UK Science Friction with picture sleeve (an estimated 50 copies
pressed).

Of course, it's difficult to value ultra-rare items like this.
It's a seller's market...
So you better hold on to your CD single - or sell it to me :)

yours in ecstasy,

Mark Strijbos at The Little Lighthouse
   http://utopia.knoware.nl/~mmello/

===> Mark's Random XTC Quote <==
Clear as children's chalk lines on the paving

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 16:55:19 +1300 (NZDT)
Message-Id: <v01540b00af040dadf9d9@[139.80.228.157]>
From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)
Subject: Beatles & XTC covers

>I have a cut-out vinyl copy of "All This And World War II" which I
>purchased for .79 and don't believe I have ever even played. Being a
>Beatles completist, however, I just couldn't pass it up for that price. I
>probably bought it about six months to a year after its initial release in
>1976.

I too have a copy of this travesty. Syrupy strings through just about
everything, drowning out even the sensible pairings of artist and song
(Peter Gabriel could have done an excellent Strawberry Fields Forever - but
you won't find it on here). This album has some of the worst Beatles covers
ever purpetrated - reditions with the emphasis on the "rend" part, if you
follow my drift - they make the BeeGees version of Sgt Pepper look
tolerable. If ever you find yourself listening to say, the Carpenters'
version of "Ticket to Ride" and thinking "this is a lousy cover of a
classic song", have a listen to what Henry Gross does to "Michelle".

Oh, and while on the subject of covers, and to slightly revive a long dead
thread, I was playing some XTC to a friend of mine over the Christmas
Break. When I played the track "Wonderland", he said "I'd like to hear
Bjork playing that one". First I thought "eek!", then I thought "hmmm". It
might just work.

James

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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 23:27:08 -0600 (CST)
From: "Jeffrey with 2 f's Jeffrey" <jenor@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Residential Andy
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970115232505.2613B-100000@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>

On Wed, 15 Jan 1997 "Christopher R. Coolidge" <ccoolidg@zoo.uvm.edu>
writted:

>   Regarding Cheryl's speculation on an Andy/Lene Lovich duet: they came
> damn close once. They both do guest vocals on The Residents' Commercial
> Album back in '80; they may or may not have been in the studio at the
> same time. If so, maybe there's a juicy outtake in someone's closet
> somewhere. (For those familiar with the album, that's Lene on "Picnic Boy,"
> I'm not sure which song Andy's on.)

"Margaret Freeman" - vocals & harmonica, from the sound of it.

--Jeff

J e f f r e y  N o r m a n                            Department of English
http://www.uwm.edu/~jenor/                University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
:: When the only tool you have is an interociter, you tend to treat      ::
:: everything as if it were a fourth-order nanodimensional sub-quantum   ::
:: temporo-spatial anomaly................................Crow T. Maslow ::

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Message-Id: <199701161618.IAA17666@sgi.sgi.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 10:49:23 EST
From: "Todd Bernhardt" <tbernha@columbiaenergy.e-mail.com>
Subject: Girl Bands and More!

Hiya, Chalkies...

Cheryl (McGregoc@regents.ac.uk) was talking about the "Barbie goes Rockin"
feeling she gets watching "girl bands" and I wonder if it's because most
bands like that are driven more by clever marketing than by a love of music
(can you imagine guys forming a band and saying "Boys only"? I know it
happens, either because of stoopid attitudes or because there seem to be
more boys than girls trying to start rock bands -- a trend beginning to be
reversed, thank God). Most *musicians* I know care more about a person's
technique/creativity than their gender.

That said, there are a LOT of individual women who are stunning musicians
and play with the "umph!" you're looking for, Cheryl. For instance, I was
blown away seeing Prince with Sheila E. on drums -- she hit 'em as hard and
as well as any man I've seen ... while wearing stilleto heels! Oh, how my
loins ached to bear her children...  :^)  Anyway, the list goes on and on.
Concentrate on the individual and not the group (which can be said for a lot
of things besides music, I suppose).

To Heather Tinkler: You might have to give "Beating of Hearts" more than two
listens, but it'll be worth it.  Now you need to buy Black Sea, English
Settlement and Big Express. You can find them at good prices, I'll bet at
other record stores. And go ahead and Jump -- pick up D&W at your own store,
save the 20% and enjoy one of Dave G's greatest solos ever on "Real by Reel."

To Simon Knight: First off, what high-profile TV/radio/magazine advertising
did Virgin do for FF? I never saw any. Secondly, I understand your
frustration with Andy, but just try to imagine Andy's as he has, over the
years, put up with the cheating managers, scheming record execs and other
screaming assholes that populate the rock-music business (but please don't
listen to me, I've already been poisoned by this industry). Plus the guy is
going through a divorce, has kids, and obviously needs to think about making
some money. I think we' all be a bit whiny by now.

To David Pardue: Morphine's due to come out with an album soon. So is Liz
Phair. That oughta be kewl.

Unrelated note: Just bought and listened to a best-of Robyn Hitchcock and
the Egyptians CD. Uh-oh. I've got some albums to buy.  :^)

ByeBye!

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Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970116170225.0069b984@popmail.dircon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 17:02:25 +0000
From: Simon <nonsuch@dircon.co.uk>
Subject: Vapors & Girl Bands

Jonas Lind <tilia@buzzsaw.mti.sgi.com> writes:

>I'm really curious about this band [the Vapors] also; I want to find as
>many XTC-soundalikes as possible from that period in time. So, if any of
>you know anything about The Vapors, or The Planets, please let me know.

The Vapors were always denigrated in the UK for being Jam wannabes, and this
is quite apparent on their wonderful Magnets album. It wasn't until one of
those days when you move house and find loads of stuff you'd forgotten about
that I actually listened to some Jam and Vapors albums in one sitting (well,
not so much sitting as some dancing on a ladder and rhythmic paint spillage)
that I really caught the connection. It didn't help them that Bruce Foxton
(big-haired bass played of The Jam) was their manager and dragged them along
as a support act. They were bound to pale in comparison. For all they didn't
make a lot of chart waves after that sparky ode to self-help, "Turning
Japanese", they did make some cracking music, and "Magnets" just teems with
the stuff - "Jimmy Jones", "Spiders". I am urged to call "Mangets" an
attractive albumn, but I simply dare not.

Dave Fenton, the vocalist of The Vapors, appears to have sold his voice on
to Brett Anderson of Suede.

Cheryl wrote :-

>This isn't XTC related but I was watching Top of the Pops the other
>night and this girl band Kenickie came on.  They looked so bored and
>pathetic!

Right. You. Outside. Now! I'm sorry you don't like Kenickie, they're from my
area and I assure you they are a genuine band, fully conversant with their
instruments and I reckon (on the basis of "Punka", "Millionaire Sweeper" and
the new "In Your Car") they write damn good pop songs. They weren't
manufactured, and they're not a "girl band" - the drummer is male, not that
that makes any difference. They're also very intelligent and witty people,
and they give great interviews filled with the same wandering strands of
surrealism and humour that Andy brings to these things. I admit, though,
that I am a sucker for sub-three-minute power-rush pop songs delivered on
guitars, bass and drums, and for me Kenickie punch those buttons
particularly well.

I don't see any "Go-Go's" or "Bangles" connections other than the fact that
the band is predominantly female. Those two moved me not one jot, Kenickie
wake up my usually somewhat dormant boogie tendon. Depending on what you
class as "girl bands" there are some brilliant female artists/female led
bands - Catatonia, Echobelly, Lush, Nut, Hole, Liz Phair, Tiger (male
vocalist, but mainly female musicians), PJ Harvey, Skunk Anansie, etc.

Sorry for the low, actually zero, XTC content but I've been working away at
a rambling, opinionated and confused XTC diatribe thingy and it was either
post that or this. Believe me, you got off lightly.

D'ya reckon?

Simon
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