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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 3, Number 62

                 Sunday, 22 December 1996

Today's Topics:

              Oh Mickey you're so fine.....
                  Last Post of The Year
              Re: Most frequent albums, etc.
                        XTC to go
                Todd's WAS  god, (but...)
                       Video Tree?
                      Where's Waldo?
                In Loving Memory of a Name
                      Cool Yule '96!
                        XTC & love
             And the grownups were respected
                 "Nonsuch" Pronounciation
                       RE: touring
                 The Rusty Whisk Incident
                Odds n Ends and Preachers
              Another top 5 frequent Albums
                        OFF TOPIC
                  Inside The Kick Inside
                       ENB Request
          Your Words, A Match on the Tinderwood
                   consumable drummers
                     My First Time...


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Message-Id: <>
From: "Jeff Smelser" <>
Organization: Access Tucson
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 12:24:55 -0700
Subject: Oh Mickey you're so fine.....

Hello Future Swindonians:

>  Which brings me very briefly to Cheap Trick itself. I've heard some of you
> lump them in with bands such as Styx and Foreigner, but I have to say that
> you are sadly mistaken in doing that. I won't vouch for anything after
> "Dream Police," but the first 4 C.T. albums up through that one are all
> classics of pop songwriting, particularly the first two, "Cheap Trick" and
> "In Color." Anyone with an appreciation of power pop, from the Beatles to
> Big Star, from the dBs to the Posies, would be truly missing out to ignore
> them. Take a listen to "Mandocello," "Oh, Candy," or "Drowned." "He's a
> Whore" stands up to the best of the Buzzcocks. I strongly urge you to pick
> up one of those will not be disappointed (they can be found for
> cheap in most record stores, by the way, at "Best Buy" prices -- $6.99 or
> so). After "Dream Police," though, they went into a major slump from which
> they've never recovered.

Dave Gersham is absolutely right here!  I consider myself very
fortunate to have seen  Cheap Trick in a small club in Ann Arbor
before the first LP came out.  When said album did arrive, we
recogized their sound the first time we heard one of the songs on the
radio so we proceded directly to the record store. In Color and Black
and White came and we bought it too.  The third LP, w/ Surrender etc.
came out and although I never bought it or any since, I did manage to
see them on tour that time.  To this day they remain on my Top Ten
Favorite Corporate Rock Bands list along with ZZ Top, Heart,+REM.

> >I'd probably have to agree that he intended it to have a double
> >meaning.  I mean, c'mon:  "Things we did on grass"?

Yeah, you're probably one of those who thinks Lucy in the Sky with
Diamonds is about LSD.  (hohoho)

> >Okay, come out of the closet, all you Monkees fans!  I love 'em,
> >and I'M PROUD OF IT!!!

I only like the songs that Mickey sings.     SMX

Jeff Smelser
Video Engineer
Access Tucson


Message-Id: <v01550100aedf5aecd841@[]>
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 14:59:10 -0600
From: (Guy in a Dress)
Subject: Last Post of The Year

Dear Chalkhills,

Well, I thought a new digest was coming, but apparently
not.  I'm leaving in two hours, and I just wanted to say
Thank you, and Goodnight.  And also, if you're not an XTC
demo owner and haven't seen the lyrics to "Shaving Brush
Boogie", then by all means find them!  It's not "Bungalow",

So everybody have a happy holiday season, etc. etc.  If
you want me, I'll be at the San Antonio opening night
screening of "Beavis And Butt-head Do America". [You
may think I'm kidding, but I'm not.]

Jason Garcia

"You are the star tonight/ your sun electric outta sight/ your light
eclipse the moon tonight/ electrolite/ you're outta sight." -R.E.M.


Message-Id: <v01540b09aedf6acc0707@[]>
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 15:33:59 -0700
From: (E.B.)
Subject: Re: Most frequent albums, etc.

I own the most records by:

1. Dylan  2. Beatles  3. Zappa  4. Costello  5. Bowie

I'm not sure this is a particularly informative poll, however, because it
reflects longevity/productivity as much as quality. (For instance, several
of my Bowie albums are barely passable -- he's definitely not my fifth
all-time favorite. And the not-so-prolific XTC ranks about #16.)

From: "Adam J. Ostermann" <>

>Re Michael Penn: Er, RCA dropped him, and I think Geffen may have picked
>him up - his
>old producer Tony Berg works A&R there.

Nope. I'm fairly certain Penn is now signed to 550 Music/Epic (like Ben
Folds -- yay). And incidentally, I recently saw a show at Spaceland in L.A.
-- I think it was Komeda and the Sugarplastic, and I was actually there to
see Komeda -- and Penn and Aimee Mann were sitting at a back table
snuggling. So they're definitely an item. Also, I overheard Penn talking to
someone, and he crowed something to the effect of "Free at last!" regarding
RCA. I really wonder if RCA dropped him. He probably just left. Everyone
knows what a crummy label RCA is. I have a feeling RCA can use all the
talent they can get nowadays -- that is, unless you happen to adore Babe
The Blue Ox. <snort> The list of alternative acts who have "escaped" RCA is
pretty lengthy. Start with the lapsed Beggars Banquet/Dedicated
distribution deals and all those bands, and then add the Wedding Present,
Spiritualized, Lou Reed, Bowie, Pop Will Eat Itself, Hoodoo Gurus, Cowboy
Junkies....  Ouch.

And yes, Kirsty MacColl is great. In particular, Electric Landlady was a
criminally overlooked disc.  :)


PS  Speaking as an occasional "black sheep" myself, I have a feeling that
poor Philip "Down with Oranges & Lemons" Adamek may be in for a drubbing in
the next issue.  ;)


Message-ID: <>
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 18:13:17 -0500
From: Patrick Adamek <>
Subject: XTC to go

Hi all

    This is my last post until the new year.  I will be moving from
Hershey, PA to Las Vegas, Nevada on 12-20-96.  6 days in the car in
all.  Thanks to the influence of reading Chalkhills, I'll be reviewing
my XTC catalog on the way (lord knows I'll have time, and my 10-disc
changer will help).  Happy Holidays to all.  Anxious to get back online
in 97 for Chalkhills...     Patrick


Message-Id: <>
From: "Jeff Smelser" <>
Organization: Access Tucson
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 16:48:04 -0700
Subject: Todd's WAS  god, (but...)

Seasons Greeting Chalkabillies-

> Yeah well, Todd's just a big egotist, and he was the one who
> supposedly dreamed up the song order and all that, so he thought
> he'd put his name on it one more time.

Here's a good question.  I often tell people that Todd Rundgren is a
really good producer/songwriter but none of the bands he produces
ever do more than one album with him'cause he's difficult to work
with.  Can anyone think of a band that worked twice with Todd (other
than the ones he was in of course, Utopia doesn't count.)
New York Dolls, Grand Funk, Hall and Oates, XTC, etc. never worked
w/him a second time.

Does anyone know where to find a list of all the stuff he's produced?
I've been to his web pages a few times.  I like in his survey where I
got to check the box that said []Todd WAS god but hasn't been for
some time.

> Classic Rock:  hey, there's nothing wrong with all of that music (OK, I
> grew up on it), but I agree with someone's point - it's only a piece of
> the pie.  I like stuff over the entire past 30+ years.

Alright, everyone, relax.  I'm going to tell you all something that
should ease your pain. Those still reeling from the Classic Rock
Blues may need to put their respective heads between their knees.

Now, everybody, in my day we had a word for what is now called
Classic Rock.  That word is Oldies.  That's all it is.  No need to be
alarmed. It's just oldies.  There, there, now, just go to sleep.

Nighty night,   SMX

Jeff Smelser
Video Engineer
Access Tucson


Message-Id: <>
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 18:42:15 -0500
From: Evan Chakroff <>
Subject: Hello

this is my second post or something, but who cares.
If someone could mail me privately ('cause I assume that EVERYTHING has
been talked about here already...)....

How are Andy Partridge's EPs released on John Flansburgh's Hello CD Of The
Month Club??
Evan Chakroff
The Internet Mystery Spot
This Statement Is False


Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 19:58:16 -0500
Message-ID: <>
Subject: Wondermints

Hi folks!

I've been dormant on these pages for quite some time now, but I ran across
something today that you all had to know about.

Not sure if they've been mentioned here before, but I just got a new, self
titled album by a group called the Wondermints.  The disc is on Big Deal
Records (p.o. Box 2072, Peter Stuyvesant Station, New York, NY 10009-9998-

For those of you XTC fans out there ( ;) ), you're probably going to dig
this.  If you're in the Jellyfish camp as well, you're probably going to
love it.

Needless to say, it is pristine pop music loaded with harmonies and Beach
Boys dreamyness.  TRUST ME.

Well, if not, then maybe this will sell it:

"If I had the Wondermints back in 1967, I would have taken SMILE out on the
road." - Brian Wilson

Yep, that's an actual quote on the album.  It's a bit of an overstatement,
perhaps, but pretty cool nonetheless.

I get to review this disc for a local Chicago music monthly, and I'm really
glad I took a chance on it.  If there is enough interest, I'll post the
final review (due by Jan. 2nd, so I'll re-post the question then).

It's nice to be back in y'all's company!




Message-Id: <>
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 20:29:57 -0500
From: Tom Paluzzi <>
Subject: Video Tree?

Anybody know what the current status is of the now
infamous XTC video tape tree?

Still waiting for my PAID copy...



Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 17:39:17 -0800
Message-Id: <>
Subject: Where's Waldo?

  Several people have wondered whatever happened to me.  Wonder no more!
  Though a few barren brainscans have supported their belief, I still
  exist.  I have been swamped and had a setback with the tape.

  I had a few impartial (non-XTC-fans in the recording biz) review the
  tape.  They all got motion sickness from my sonic enhancement.  In an
  attempt to add some clarity, I overdid it a bit with a frequency
  alignment device known as a "Sonic Maximizer" (BBE 422).

  This action did not affect the master tape, just my dubbing master, so I
  will remake the dubbing master during the holiday season and address this
  project with new verve in the new year.

  Happy, happy, joy, joy to all.

  Cheers, Richard

  p.s.  Hey Amanda, my favorite nuance is the soaking wet echo job that
  only lasts for a couple of beats on the word "act" in the bridge of The
  Mayor of Simpleton.


Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 21:28:25 -0500
Message-ID: <>
Subject: In Loving Memory of a Name

I suppose this is common knowledge, and I know I've read it, but who was In
Loving Memory of a Name written about?

Thanks for your help!



Message-ID: <>
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 22:56:10 -0800
From: Daniel Ray Phipps <>
Subject: Cool Yule '96!

To Andy Partridge, Colin Moulding, Dave Gregory,
and all other XTC fans EVERYWHERE on this old 3rd rock:


Here's hoping for harmonic convergence in '96,
via a new XTC album!!  PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!

/ Dan Phipps ;)  <>


Date: 19 Dec 96 23:22:48 EST
From: "K. Forster" <103124.351@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Mummers
Message-ID: <961220042247_103124.351_JHG40-1@CompuServe.COM>

>REM would never call an album by as English a word as Mummer though. They
>probably wouldn't even know what it means. I don't mean that they're stupid
>or anything like that - I mean that outside of the UK, not many people do
>know what the word means.

Um, actually, in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, the Mummers are an institution.
They have a pretty cool New Year's Day parade every year in their truly
fabbo costumes.

Or am I missing another meaning?



Date: 19 Dec 96 23:22:50 EST
From: "K. Forster" <103124.351@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: XTC & love
Message-ID: <961220042250_103124.351_JHG40-2@CompuServe.COM>

> Isn't one of the attractions of XTC
>the fact that most of their lyrics are not endless noodling on love,
>relationships, etc., which some artists/bands can't seem to do anything

This is slightly tangential, but one of my very very favorite things about
XTC is that when they do write a "love song" (okay, okay, often a "my life
sucks 'cause my woman threw me over" song), they write it in such a
dizzingly verbose way that it just knocks my socks off every time I
listen. Throughout their albums there must be fifty ways to metaphorize your
lover leaving..."Dear Madam Barnum", "Miniature Sun", "That's Really Super,
Supergirl", et al.

Sorry, I just had to be enraptured for a moment...

:) Kat


Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 23:22:16 -0500 (EST)
Message-Id: <>
From: Joshua Hall-Bachner <>
Subject: And the grownups were respected

>6 days!

Damnit, John, you stole *MY* quotes. Haven't you been reading my messages? :)

>If you think it's preachy, then that's jes' your reaction it's not the art.
>.... It's just a song, if you have a problem with the song, then it's

While I understand and agree with your main point, I differ with the above
two sentences. IMHO, it's *not* all in your reaction to the song. True, an
individual's feelings about music, poetry, the subject of the song, etc. all
play a big role in what they think of the song. But their reaction is based
on the innate qualities of that song.

The same thing goes for when people make sweeping statements on either side
of the continuum, either the "It's all in the music, anyone who can't see
the goodness/badness in the music isn't listening hard enough" or the "It's
all in the listener, anyone who says they know what music is good or bad is
lying or wrong" ends. All I'm trying to say here is that the enjoyment or
non-enjoyment of music is a symbiotic thing between the art itself and the
person experiencing it -- you can't put the "responsibility" on either party.

>is *any* music really new anymore?
>From what I understand, for example, rock & roll was originally derived from
>R&B, which came in part from blues, whcih came from....and on and on.

I would say that the two things you mention in your post are completely
distinct, those things being the "descent" of new forms of music and how
similar they are to their "parents." Now, rock may be descended from R&B.
But listen to what's being done with the rock music art form right now --
there's stuff out there that's a far cry from what others have done before.
Rock is not only a "new" genre as compared to past ones, but also an
evolving one -- every so often someone does something with it that
completely blows people away, and all the time people are doing little
things to push the envelope. Yes, rock often takes pieces of other genres
and incorporates them into it's own sound. But it has many elements that are
uniquely it's own. The ways that guitars are used, for example, differs
significantly from other music forms.

I would say that as long as people continue to make music, new forms of
music will continue to arise. Even now, new forms of music appear. Think
about ambient music, for example, a very recent "invention." Who would have
ever thought about putting effort and craft into music that isn't supposed
to be listened to closely? It's vastly different from any musical form that
came before it.

> Eight JBH postings,

You got my initials mixed up. :) Otherwise, very clever! Thanks for
Christmas, and thanks for your song.


/---------------------------Joshua Hall-Bachner---------------------------\
|   |
|"We all have our idiosyncracies -- maybe thinning hair, or gum disease." |
\---- Kowanko, "Will You Come To?" ------ Thank You, And Goodnight. ------/


Date: Fri, 20 Dec 96 12:30:04 0
From: Paul Stratford <>
Organization: Surrey Institute
Subject: "Nonsuch" Pronounciation
Message-ID: <>

In Vol 3 Num 60, Tue 17 Dec, detail-oriented Keith said:

> XTC CONTENT: Pronunciation guide division - How do my colleagues on the
> list pronounce the title to XTC's last full-length?  I've always said
> "Nuhn-such," taking my cue from "Chalkhills and Children."  But it
> occurs to me that the way it's spelled could lead to a "Nahn-such"
> pronunciation.

I live only 1 mile away from the site of the now gone-not-just-ruined
Nonsuch Palace (there's now Nonsuch Park) as featured on the cover of the
eponimous album - the correct pronounciation is just as it is written - you
need to ditch the American English accent, it *is* NONsuch, not NAHN or
NUHN.  I'm trying to think of a word that I've ever heard a North American
pronounce just to emphasis things - AH! NON as in ONtario, no that wont work
either. Just try to say OH instead of AW or UH.

Oh, if you want to know where Nonsuch Palace/Park is...
	15 miles south west of central London.  Bordered by Cheam (North)
	Ewell (East and South) and Stonleigh (West)
	Nearest train station Stonleigh (from London Waterloo).
	1.5 miles from Epsom (famous for the Epsom Derby race).
More information than you could ever need!

Merry Spending Season!

PS Apologies if this comes through with crap chars  - the E-mail package is
FirstClass from SoftArc.  If you have any influence with software purchase in
your various establishments DO NOT BUY IT!  There's been a review in PC WEEK
(US) that makes it sound good - don't believe them - it's a con! :-)  It
doesn't even support MIME properly.
Convince your boss to let you install Pegasus E-mail and it's various
gateways etc - it's free and it *works* (RANT OVER)



Message-ID: <>
From: Peter Fitzpatrick <>
Subject: RE: touring
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 06:02:40 -0800

>From: David Pardue <>


ps. thanks to Peter Fitzpatrick at Microsoft for his answers to my questions
about the demos.  Please don't forget to ask Mr. Gates if he's put me in his
will yet...

......hey ! get back in line !!! there's a queue (as we say here . . .)
...Just checked the list.......nope.....sorry David.......


Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 11:42:25 -0500 (EST)
From: Natalie Jane Jacobs <>
Subject: The Rusty Whisk Incident
Message-ID: <>


I've just re-read Philip Adamek's post saying that he prefers XTC in their
Dukes guise.  To summarize - and correct me if I'm reading you wrong,
Philip - XTC are better off in the Dukes' "otherworld," where they're free
to do as they please (ahem!) without having to engage in the complications
of love, relationships, politics, economics, etc., which they once did
well but are failing at more and more often, their more recent attempts
at worldliness partaking of Dukes-style whimsy but coming off as flat or

I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree with you, here.  I've already
posted many times on Chalkhills about how I don't like preachiness, I'm
not especially fond of XTC's last two albums, and so forth, but I have
nothing but respect for a band - or for any artist - that chooses to
engage with "reality."  I may not like, say, "Chalkhills and Children,"
but it's honest, and it's real.  I don't like the preachiness of "Melt the
Guns," but at least it's addressing a real issue.  I'm not much into
escapism.  It's fun for a while, but in the end it's as hollow and flat as
"real" XTC songs which you dismiss.

XTC may be free to explore their lyrical and melodic genius as
the Dukes, but they're also free from having to think - as well as being
free from the burden of having to be original.  That's why XTC enjoyed
being the Dukes - it was fun, and it was easy.  They didn't have to try to
do anything new.  I think that's the real reason for the "bizarre kitchen
accident" - they wanted to go on challenging themselves.  "Oranges and
Lemons" may not *sound* challenging to you, but it still represents a
stretch for them - they had to work at those songs, and I don't think they
had to work at being the Dukes, except in a casual, game-playing kind of
way.  "Nonsuch" represents even more of a stretch - "Rook" in particular,
IMO - and as for the new demos - well, if you want XTC to stay silly and
derivative as the Dukes, you'll probably be disappointed.

As for your comment that XTC are failing at their engagement with reality
- are they?  Maybe that's just your perception.  "Oranges and Lemons" and
"Nonsuch" both sound very hollow to me - all polish, with nothing left
underneath - but hey: Ben Gott mentioned a guy who cried while listening
to "My Bird Performs," so they're obviously getting through to someone.
And again, at least they're making the effort.  I much prefer an attempt
at engagement than a complete escape.  I do wish they'd lay off the
blatant '60's references to such a heavy degree - in other words, become
*all* XTC and not the Dukes at all - but that's just my personal taste.

Don't get me wrong, I like the Dukes - as a joke.  That's probably all
they were meant to be.  But when I want to listen to music that moves me,
it's not the Dukes that I go for.  I'll reach for "English Settlement," or
"Mummer," or "Skylarking" - songs about falling in love or out of love,
ecstacy or bitterness, anger or joy - songs about real life, songs about
my life. It's those songs that XTC do best, and the Dukes, entertaining as
they are, just don't do it for me.

Happy solstice,

Natalie Jacobs
Visit the Land of Do-As-You-Please!


Message-ID: <>
Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 02:08:54 -0800
From: Stormy Monday <>
Subject: Odds n Ends and Preachers


From Martin:

>And Colin Moulding's playing would (or should) get one or more of XTC's
>albums onto a similar Bass Player list.

Back in my day, when I was still performing with my band, I was
considered a "competent" (not exceptional) bass player.  Having been a
bass player for over 20 years, I can't help but key in on the bass
parts when I listen to music.  Colin Moulding is easily one of the
best bass players in popular music today.  His bass parts are always a
surprise, and never a cliche.  "Melt The Guns" is brilliant, as is
"Holly Up On Poppy", "Senses Working Overtime" and virtually every
other XTC song.  Obviously, David Gilmour knew this when he approached
Colin to tour with Pink Floyd (no small honor!).

From Insane Boy:

>Yeah well, Todd's just a big egotist, and he was the one who
>supposedly dreamed up the song order and all that, so he thought
>he'd put his name on it one more time.

"Musician and producer Todd Rundgren squeezed the XTC clay into its
most complete/connected/cyclical record ever.  Not an easy album to
make for various reasons but time has humbled me into admitting that
Todd conjured up some of the most magical production and arranging
conceivable.  A summer's day cooked into one cake."

Andy Partridge

On the "Preachy Thread":

I love "Melt The Guns" and "Scarecrow People".  I never feel like Andy
is preaching.  He writes about things that he thinks and he cares
about.  And I'd be the first to admit that lyrically, Colin's
"Smartest Monkeys" and "Wardance" are weak, but he's doing the same
thing.  I really like the words to "I Remember The Sun" and "Deliver
Us From The Elements", and even "Angry Young Men".  These songs are
about their personal opinions, put to interesting, creative,
brilliantly arranged music and performed music.  I can't imagine
anyone not listening to "Melt The Guns" or "Scarecrow People" because
the words ruin them!  The sheer cleverness of the wordplay in "MTG" is
enough for me.  But of course, the song and the record outshine the

"Programs of Violence, as entertainment, bring the disease into your
room!". (Listen to the bass enunciate the words).

Can any American that grew up with TV dispute those words.  We've got
over 200,000,000 (that's right) handguns in our sweet land of the
free.  Now, I don't blame violence on television programs.  We are a
violent race.  But the American fascination with guns is worthy of
commentery.  And our Andy Partridge did a wonderful job of it.  He
even sang it with just the right slant:

"And all the MEED-YA, will FEED-LE while Rome burns, acting like
modern time Neros!"

I could just see Peter Jennings and Tom Brokaw with their violins.

I'm happy here, living in the "Justice League", but I wish that we
could "Take the guns and melt them down!"

I'm realistic enough to beleive that it will never happen, just as
Lennon's vision in Imagine is also an impossiblity, but dreamers do
have an impact.

Andy is a genius, and Colin is exceptional.  Even if all he did was
play the bass, he would still be one of the best musicians of the
twentieth century.  No, this is not hyperbole.  He truly is a
brilliant bass player, and would be recognized as such if more people
had the patience that it takes to become familiar with XTC's unique

By the way, while I totally disagree with the new William F. Buckley's
(Philip Adamek) essay entitled "What In The World" from 3-61, it was a
genuine pleasure to read.

Keep 'em coming, Philip!

Stormy Monday


Message-Id: <>
From: "Jeff Smelser" <>
Organization: Access Tucson
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 15:51:21 -0700
Subject: Another top 5 frequent Albums

Hey Bulldoggie Chalkhounds,

> Subject: Most Frequent Albums

1. Bill Nelson
2. Pop Will Eat Itself
3. The Cure
4. Love and Rockets (incl. Tones on tail, Bauhaus, Ash & J. solos,and
5. XTC

> Grass:
> With Grass referring to Stoned sex, oh yes, I completely agree. I
> thought that this was what the song was about when it first came out.

Oh yeah, you're probably one of those people who thinks that
Puff the Magic Dragon is about smoking reefers too. (hohoho)

L8r all,  SMX

Jeff Smelser
Video Engineer
Access Tucson


Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 17:29:57 -0800
Message-Id: <>
From: studio seventeen productions <>
Subject: OFF TOPIC

they say ira is an awesome dude.

well, his taste in CDs is certainly OK by me.

i watched his sig, it kept saying "in my CD player, Costello/Nieve"

days went by.

finally, i was in a CD store...and there it was..."Costello/Nieve" $22.49
FOR five CDs

i bought it.  and now I say:

In MY CD changer: Costello/Nieve

i knew it would be good...but I didn't expect so much useful beauty...

dave at studio seventeen


*               *  *  *  *  *    don't it make you wonder what came first?
*                  *     the insatiable hunger or unquenchable thirst?
*                          *         does it matter at all once you check...
*                        *              out of here...
            				(Jason Falkner)
seventeen: the ambient music page



Message-Id: <>
From: "William Wisner" <>
Subject: Inside The Kick Inside
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 22:24:17 -0800

Running the risk of pedantry, I continue:

> However, the early release of "The Kick Inside" was indeed on
> Harvest records, with a different cover.  And, if my memory serves
> correctly, it wasn't called "The Kick Inside."  I could be wrong there....
> Harvest, I might add, was distributed by EMI, which is why the early Pink
> Floyd catalog was re-released in America on Capitol records, which is/was a
> branch of EMI.

THE KICK INSIDE, released 17 February 1978
EMC 3223 (No. 3 triple platinum)
EMC 3223 (limited edition picture disc)

- cited from Kate Bush Complete, EMI Music Publishing, 1978

Nowhere in any discography (including the excruciatingly complete
Love-Hounds discography compiled by Kate Bush fans more accurate than
myself) can I find any reference to Harvest Records.

You are, however, essentially correct about the different cover.  TKI was
released with no fewer than four covers in different countries.

w. (and for the record, XTC gets mentioned on the Kate Bush mailing list
more often than Kate gets mentioned here.)


Message-ID: <>
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 10:03:02 -0800
From: Daniel Ray Phipps <>
Subject: ENB Request

Hello fellow residents of the Holy Chalkhill! --

Still being relatively new to this mailing list and being
somewhat "selective" with the things I wish to post, I wanted
to know if there's anyone out there who might be able to help
me find something that I consider very rare, but definitely
"worth the hunt," as it were.

Has anyone on the mailing list here ever heard of an album
called "Lyrics of Ernest Noyes Brookings, Volume 1"??  It
supposedly has Andy Partridge's extensive involvement (and a
track or two by him, I think).

I recently spoke with a guy named Steve at East Side Digital
(ESD) -- Peter Blegvad's record label -- and he informed me
that ESD has the remaining Volumes 2-4 available for $16.00
flat rate per disc.  (Telephone: 1.612.375.0233 / ask for
Steve) He also informed me that Volume 1 was now only available
on vinyl through the Shimmy Disc record label.

If anyone can help me locate this music or can tell me where to
start looking, it'd be more than appreciated, of course!  Thanks
in advance to anyone who may be able to direct me on this...

Long Live the Hill!!!  :)


/ Dan Phipps <>


Message-ID: <>
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 02:50:43 -0800
From: Stormy Monday <>
Subject: Your Words, A Match on the Tinderwood


In my last post, I mentioned that while I disagreed with him, it was a
pleasure reading "What In The World", by Philip Adamek.

The essay hasn't sat well with me.  As my XTC loving girlfriend put it,
"this guy doused himself with lighter fluid and passed out matches!".

While I'm not in the business of flaming, (we all have a right to our
opinions, regardless of how misguided and ridiculous they might seem), I
must respond to the following:

>"Melt the Guns," whose empty phrase-mongering sounds less like a
>political statement than a symptom of ineptitude);

I can understand people resenting being "preached at" (although as I've
previously stated, I do not perceive the song as pontificating), or
simply disagreeing with Andy's politics ("God, Guts and Guns made
America Free"), I can't for the life of me imagine anybody describing
Andy's consistent eloquence as "phrase mongering" or "inept".  This
would be like calling "I Want to Hold Your Hand" by the Beatles
"complicated" and "over produced".  One may not like the song, but
certain criticisms simply do not apply.

And as for ...

>just the same, his 'heart-felt' love songs sound embarrassingly flat
>and contrived (e.g., "The Mayor of Simpleton," which sounds like a
>crabbed and confused retake on the old, "Don't know much about
>history...," pop theme) .

Surely the man jests.  Andy has penned some of the most beautiful love
songs this side of the Beatles.  And to complain about "The Mayor" as
being thematically unoriginal is just plain ignorant. Of course it has
been done before.  It's a love song.  Is "West Side Story" devoid of any
merit simply because it was a "retake" of "Romeo and Juliet"?  Perhaps
our verbose ex-lurker was offended by the line "Some of your firends are
too brainy to see that they're paupers and that's how they'll stay"?

I can't help but feel that our new friend is of the type that likes to
say controversial things and then watch the ensuing fireworks while
thinking, "Look it how I made the puppets dance".  I gave up such
adolescent endeavors while still an adolescent.  That was when I
realized that anyone with an IQ in the high eighties could do that.

Stormy Monday


Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 11:19:44 -0600 (CST)
From: "Jeffrey with 2 f's Jeffrey" <>
Subject: consumable drummers
Message-ID: <>

There was some discussion over on the Loud Family list about XTC, so I
fwd'd bits of the  FAQ that way. The _Consumable_ report in particular
generated interest, especially this part:

"The band is rehearsing at present and there is talk of adding a permanent
drummer (after 16 years of sit-ins) and possibly a keyboard player."

--to which someone, intrigued & intriguingly, responded: "But I wonder why
a studio band needs to add a two new full time members?"

I can see that a permanent drummer would allow for better chemistry,
better playing - but the keyboard player stumps me. Those parts have
always been overdubbed by Andy or Dave (except when the Toddzilla was
present, of course) since the ancient days of Barry - anyone have any
more on this? Could it be Andy's overcome his stage fright & the band are
actually thinking of *touring*?

We can dream....


Jeffrey J. Norman        <>   <>
Dept. of English & Comp. Lit.            University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
::beliefs are ideas going bald::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Francis Picabia::


Message-Id: <v01540b00aee330381d66@[]>
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 12:41:56 -0600
From: (Debutante)
Subject: My First Time...

Greetings and Salutations everyone!

No, it's not about that, get your minds out of the gutter (well, ok, maybe
it's just *me* who's in the gutter, but anyway...).

Yesterday while doing some last-minute shopping in the Pier 1 in Midland,
TX, I heard "Thanks For Christmas" over their speakers!  I was so happy.
Here was everyone else having all these XTC shopping experiences, poor
little me, I felt all left out, but now I'm just like everybody else.


A friend of mine who lurks on this list (you've been exposed now, John!)
also heard "Thanks..." in a Taco Bell in St.Louis this weekend.

The few, the proud, the shoppers...

I'll be gone on vacation for 2 weeks, I expect a pile of Chalkhills when I
return. Cool yule, all!

"Planet Claire has pink air, all the trees are red,
No one ever dies there, no one has a head.........."


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