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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 3, Number 150

                  Friday, 8 August 1997

Today's Topics:

                  Prophet V - be known!!
        so *that's" what the fuss is all about !!
                 Mermaid Smiled/Dear God
                     The Good Captain
                     Studio or Live?
                XTC heard & Dan's dilemma
                   odd Dukes mutterings
                    Too much matieral?
                           Oops
                 Wrongly-attributed quote
                 Virgin Global Challenge
                 Little Express 41 is out
This is the song that never ends, it goes on and on my friend
                    Respectable Sales
                Garden of Anthony Burgess
    DVD, TR, Ray Davies, Out like Flynn, XTC Soul Mate
 The Increasingly Nonsensical Stories of a Certain Cap'n
                 RE: ZAPPA AND GRAND FUNK
                    First Floyd Album
              so this must be the place.....
                del amitri--no xtc content
                         New Guy
                      XTC Or Agony ?
                      Block on Idea
                     BZZZZZZZZZZZZZT!

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From: bob_prowse@sw2000.com
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 97 11:04:09 GMT
Message-Id: <9707058708.AA870804685@gateway.sw2000.com>
Subject: Prophet V - be known!!

     Matt Keeley wrote:

     >Anyway, what exactly is a Prophet V?  It comes up in the liners to
     >English Settlement a lot... am I correct in assuming it's a type of
     >guitar?

     No, its a polyphonic synth - and a really good, FUN one as well. Built
     by Sequential Circuits (US), the appeal at the time (and probably
     still so) was that you could _create_ with the damn thing - unlike a
     lot of other synths around, which were a nightmare to try and
     'program' to get a decent sound out. The Prophet V had knobs and
     switches on which you could PLAY with and get an instant response of
     what you were altering. Almost unlimited sound textures, from very
     quirky, spikey, electronic sounds, to rich, warm, fat string/brass
     textures. Dave Gregory loved them. Andy swore by them.

     If I'm right, I think Andy also used 'The XTC Prophet V', (as it
     became known) for lots of percussion/drum type sounds to great effect.
     I remember being over at Tudor Studios, Swindon once, when Andy had
     been in on his own demoing up what eventually became 'Human Alchemy'.
     The engineer there at the time knew I was a fan and he would revel in
     his bit of power, bless him, by saying as if he'd almost forgot to
     mention it '..Oh, I just finished up an Andy P demo this morning.
     Think I've got a bit on cassette, do you want to hear it?'   Do I want
     to hear it? - 'Oh, go on then, I've got nothing else to do.'  Jeez!!!

     It sounded really good fun - much, much quicker than when it
     materialised as HA, but it had loads of interesting little hooks and
     lines and bumps and squeeks, a little drum machine spinning out a
     shaker type thing and the big low vocal rumbly part, some desperate,
     measured, breathing sounds (as in Complicated Games), one quite
     clipped sounding, D.I'd Strat chugging a choppy, almost reggae
     'riddum', various snatches of vocal lines and a really groovy, off the
     wall bass line. A lot of which never made it to the final record (of
     course). A great deal of the sounds coming from the Prophet alone, as
     I remember.

     But, to bring this to a quick close, the Prophet was probably Andy's
     real workhorse synth at the time.

     No doubt, some others will be responding to this 'Prophet V' topic as
     well...

     For now,
     Bob

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Message-ID: <31510B652669CF11BA1D00805F38219E029D0049@DUB-04-MSG>
From: Peter Fitzpatrick <peterfit@MICROSOFT.com>
Subject: so *that's" what the fuss is all about !!
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 04:37:04 -0700

you know when you discover something new and wonderful...you just have
to share it with the world.

Just got a copy of Martin Newell "The Greatest Living Englishman".
(Thanks Wesley !)

Woah !!!!!! Chills !!!

So **that's** what all the fuss is about !!!!

Peter

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From: "Bryan Gillespie" <gillespie@netmcr.com>
Subject: Mermaid Smiled/Dear God
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 11:00:50 -0400
Message-ID: <1341343442-9957045@netmcr.com>

Greetings chalksters,

I'm new, so...

My copy of Skylarking seems to be different from those mentioned on the
list. I have seen those posts with copies with 'Mermaid Smiled' and with
'Dear God'. Mine has 'Mermaid Smiled' listed on the case, but 'Dear God' on
the cassette.

Bryan
* -----------------------------------
gillespie@netmcr.com
http://ns.netmcr.com/~gillespie

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From: Gary Minns <Gary.Minns@benfield.co.uk>
Subject: The Good Captain
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 16:40:06 +0100

Re: Captain Pugwash...

>There was no Master Bates...There was no Seaman Staines.

I was just about to get all stroppy and take a bet on the character
names when further down the list came the back-up...

>...there never was a Master Bates or a Seaman Staines...

Oh bollocks!  Alcohol induced dementia must be setting in already!

>...And the producers of Capt Pugwash have been known to sue people who
suggest in print that there were [characters named Master Bates and
Seaman Staines]...

Fuck 'em.  If it weren't for the alleged sexual overtones nobody would
ever talk about their shitty 70s cartoon!

I'm going off to sulk for a couple of minutes...
Gary

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Message-ID: <c=GB%a=_%p=Benfield_Group%l=BENEXCHG-970805160848Z-6296@benexchg.benfield.co.uk>
From: Gary Minns <Gary.Minns@benfield.co.uk>
Subject: Studio or Live?
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:08:48 +0100

>Live performance is the ideal.  The next best thing is listening to a
recording on equipment that most accurately simulates a live
performance.

Yes and no.

I can enjoy listening to a lot of music live that I would never
entertain on the CD at home but as XTC, Beatles et al have shown, live
music has certain limitations.

I have always thought XTC were better in the studio, even in the early
days there was a lot of depth and layering to there music.  If they had
done a Nonsuch tour they would only have been able to do justice to a
handful of songs.  If you cook a big meal the trick is bot being able to
produce roast turkey, stuffing, potatoes, peas and carrots but being
able to produce them all at the same time.

Gary

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Message-ID: <33E72602.5D53@ns1.mindmagic.com>
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 13:09:25 +0000
From: Brian Matthews <btm@ns1.mindmagic.com>
Organization: Ringling Multimedia Corporation
Subject: XTC heard & Dan's dilemma

Tschalkgerz!

Again, on the subject of public hearings of XTC music:

About a month ago or so, I was visiting the local music superstore (I'm
talking equipment here, not CD's) and immediately realized (after
quickly passing the drum room) that 'Black Sea' was playing over the
store's sound system ("Sgt. Rock (Is Going To Help Me)"). Apparently the
store manager is into XTC! The keyboard salesman there says they hear
XTC being played at times.

								****

Dan Phipps is worried about whether or not he is losing interest in XTC
because it's taking them so damned long to release some new stuff... I
kinda know what he's talking about. After finally absorbing 'Nonesuch'
enough to know where it's coming from (I know, I know - can you really
do that with XTC?), I couldn't wait to get more.

And we all know the rest of the story.

Now, if it never happens, I'll probably get over it. Oingo Boingo is
another fave band that is now history, and, even though it still irks
me, I'm at the stage where acceptance of the truth is becoming more
commonplace. At least XTC is in a some position to potentially provide
us with new music. So, let's keep our fingers crossed...

-Brian
Eating future and shitting past

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From: StereoPuff@aol.com
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 19:50:00 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <970805194959_-53404742@emout02.mail.aol.com>
Subject: odd Dukes mutterings

sorry if this has already been brought up a few years ago, but...

annyone else noticed the words etched between the fade-out grooves on the
Psonic Psunspot LP? They're REALLY hard to see... i only first saw them by
accident when the light coming through the window hit the album at a certain
angle. Side A (the "In Side") says "LOOSELY FROM THE STIFF BEACH...", while
Side B (the "Out Side") says "WITH PINK WARMTH". Any meaning, or just pure
Dukeish nonsense?

(the LP sleeve also thanks "Lilly Fraser, whatever you are"... heh!)

My Bird Explodes,
	Mike Wood

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Message-Id: <199708060150.SAA15619@mailgate31>
Subject: Too much matieral?
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 97 20:50:55 -0600
From: <aostermann@sprintmail.com>

>Quoted: >"the main problem we had with XTC is that they had too much
>material"< (Virgin representative)...
>Can someone please explain to me why this would really be a problem? I
>have a hard time understanding this what-I-think-is-a stupid remark...

Especially considering it comes from the label that distributes the Smashing
Pumpkins and who released a box-set of the aforementioned band's b-sides
from a double-album, which in themselves make up another 2 albums or so.
And allegedly, the NEXT SP album's gonna be a double, too.

Too much matieral my arse. ;-)

But I shouldn't complain; hey, I was a locla rep for Virgin for almost a
year and got to meet Low, Ben Harper and David Gray so I can't complain. (Of
course, the US division had nada to do with Our Favorite Swindonians, so I
don't even feel guilty.)

ObXTC ref: I was slumming around Milwaukee, WI today (hi Dave F.!) and I
noticed the downtownish Exclusive Co. (a record store) had all four of the
hjarder to find XTC stuff...that is, XTC BBC Live, Explode Together: the Dub
Experiments, XTC Drums and Wireless (the Radio One session) and the XTC
Jqapanese Demo Tracks. So lower WI XTC fans.....you have been warned, as it
were.

Adam J. Ostermann
(currently listening to: Suede, "Filmstar" UK single part 2
b-sides are Neil Tennant out of the Pet Shop Boys signing "Rent"
with the rest of Suede backing him up and Brett and Neil dueting
on Suede's "Saturday Night"....in case you are wondering I am the
biggest Suede fan you're likely to meet...)

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From: gravity@loop.com
Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970805224633.0069bed8@pop.loop.com>
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 22:46:35 -0700
Subject: Oops

Dear Chalkobites,
With head hung low,I do apologize.
I was unaware of Virgin megasore's sale by one Richard Branson?
I know not of the(I'm sure)wildly interesting world of high finance and
record co. dealings.
Alas I am but a lowly blue collar.
My mails in the past have been loaded with the inaccurate idea that Virgin
records owned Virgin megasnore.
I stand corrected by an e-mail sent to me personally.
I did want to relieve any of you who may be in distress over this faux paux.
The logos are so identical.
However I do stand by my excitement at seeing a "listening station"set up
just for our boys.The fact that is was in a "Virgin" store seemed
ironic to me...until now,of course.
The wet blanket is in the dryer,the dolphins are in the jacuzzi.
The Beatles are "bigger than Jesus".I love the whole IDEA!
"Information is not knowledge.Knowledge is not wisdom.
 Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty.Beauty is not love.
 Love is not music.Music is THE BEST!" Frank Zappa
All of a sudden......................John Murphy

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Date: 6 AUG 97 16:12:20 AST
From: PCulnane@dca.gov.au
Subject: Wrongly-attributed quote
Message-ID: <0000phrrlbpj.0000miiukkmg@dca.gov.au>

In Chalkhills # 149, Ralphie [r.demarco@elsevier.com] attributed this quote to
me thus:

Pculnane@dca.gov.au responded:
>Apart from the fact that some people simply don't enjoy what he does,
>I think what has aggrieved some XTC fans is that there has been a
>certain implication from some of the Todd supporters that Skylarking
>lived or died by Todd's input alone, and that it is more his album
>than XTC's.

Hey, I *didn't* write that!  I do have very strong views on TR, the production
on Skylarking and the recent threads on these subjects appearing in 'Hills,
but I have not expressed them in this forum.

For what it's worth though, I largely agree with what Ralph has said in his
post.  But, phew!, attributing someone else's opinion to me almost got my
panties in a wad!!!!    ;^)     Ooops, hang on, I don't wear panties - I'm a
boxers man m'self....

Don't get me started on Rundgren - I am a long-term fan and love most of what
he does - including his production approach.  I will agree that many of his
productions for other artistes are so idiosyncratic that they could arguably
be considered "another TR album" rather than an album by the artist in
question - but Skylarking is *not* in that category for me.

p@ul-of-oz

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Message-ID: <c=GB%a=_%p=Benfield_Group%l=BENEXCHG-970806081843Z-6376@benexchg.benfield.co.uk>
From: Gary Minns <Gary.Minns@benfield.co.uk>
Subject: Virgin Global Challenge
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:18:43 +0100

>...Richard Branson has spent the last ten years or so spending all his
>time...trying to fly around the world in a balloon

Yes he has and I work for one of the idiot companies that sponsored him
in this enterprise.  So far it has cost about #250,000 per mile
travelled (1st time he never got off the ground and 2nd time he managed
to get from Morocco to just about into Algeria (next door).

Such is international mega-business!

Gary

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Message-Id: <v03007806b00e002a0cfc@[134.32.48.170]>
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:43:50 +0100
From: Stephen Varga <varga@ferndown.ate.slb.com>
Subject: Little Express 41 is out

Whilst scrolling through recent editions of Chalkhills, I couldn't see any
references to the latest Little Express which arrived on my doorstep
yesterday. I'm even more astonished because as a UK Chalkie, I would have
thought that our friends in North America would have made oodles of
comments on it by now.

Although much of the news is "old hat" by Chalkhills standards, there are
still snippets of information within it that were news to me such as not
being given a leaving card by Virgin after nearly 20 years of service (and
more importantly 20 years of financial contribution)

For those non subscribers to the Little Express, the latest news on the
Idea Records front is that distribution deals are currently being sought
with the British label COOKING VINYL as the current favourite which has a
long list of associates worldwide. The deal for North America has so far
not been biased enough in the band's favour, but they're working on it.

Andy is still keen on the double CD idea despite others saying it may make
more sense to release an album now and another 6-12 months down the line in
order to keep the momentum going.

Finally two observations:

1. I could not find Chalkhills publicised in the Magazine.
2. The live interview for Microsoft took place in London. Andy is not online
   yet. A pity really because it could come in handy for him.

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Message-Id: <l03020900b00e1dc1aceb@[141.212.142.135]>
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 09:22:05 -0400
From: Natalie Jacobs <gnat@umich.edu>
Subject: This is the song that never ends, it goes on and on my friend

Simon says,

>Oh, I must just say that it anyone wants to revel in the sight of Natalie
>accepting her "Smartest Monkey" award,

*MY* "Smartest Monkey" award, oh memorizer-of-the Dukes'-entire-ouevre?  Au
contraire, mon frere!  I only wrote down what you told me to write down,
like the good secretary that I am.  Don't try to blame me, buddy.  :)

Re. the Prophet V (Prophet Vic?  Prophet Vinnie?  A new book of the Bible
is discovered, the Prophecies of Vinnie. . .)  - so now we all know it's a
synthesizer, but what the heck ramsey is an "anklung" (as used in "Yacht
Dance")?  A new species of fish?  A type of African jewelry?  Do tell.

Re. new album action - I'm also of the opinion that XTC should release some
sort of teaser or appetizer before the album proper in order to let the
universe know they're still alive.  Now that they *can* release material,
they ought to release *something* as soon as possible - even if it's just a
single.  It would help get publicity for them, which they sorely need after
5 years in hibernation, and might earn them a little cash towards the new
album.  That's what I think.

For the guy who has trouble with songs going through his head: XTC does
that to you.  When I was first getting into them, I was wandering around
with bits of "Skylarking" endlessly cycling in my head and it was driving
me nuts.  So I walked into a record shop with the hope of banishing the
ghosts, when I heard a familiar voice on the in-house stereo. . .  "What is
this?" I asked one of the clerks, with a sinking in my heart.  "It's
'English Settlement' by XTC," said the clerk.  AAAHHH!!  THEY WERE
FOLLOWING ME!!!  I fled the shop in a panic.  Fortunately I grew to love my
affliction and now I only have trouble with Oasis songs going through my
head, and I've found that XTC or Elvis Costello exorcise their evil quite
nicely.  Try singing "Accidents Will Happen" really loudly and hope for the
best.  (Even if you don't like Elvis Costello, it might work.)

fine art never moved *my* soul,

Natalie Jacobs
Perdix: The Andy Partridge Appreciation Page
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~gnat/perdix.html
Part of the Chubby White Guy Web Ring (tm)

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Message-ID: <AB38D92F01291300@ametsoc.org>
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 97 09:53:00 -0500
From: dgershmn <dgershmn@ametsoc.org>
Organization: AMS
Subject: Respectable Sales

On the two "Respectable Street" versions, Josh said:
>Compare the way Andy sings "the kind of folk who think
>they're perfect!" on the two versions.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it "the kind of look that says they're
perfect"?

On a more current note, does anyone have any information on how "Upsy Daisy"
is selling? I noticed that it didn't jump into the charts at #1, much to our
mutual surprise, I'm sure, and upon checking the Top 250 according to
Soundscan, I didn't see it even in the far reaches of the chart. Are there
any good sources for sales below that point?

"You'll take an inch, but you'd love a mile" (name that tune -- not XTC),

Dave Gershman

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Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19970806091305.2be7186c@cyber1.servtech.com>
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 09:13:05
From: Chaos Harlequin <harlequin@tmbg.org>
Subject: Garden of Anthony Burgess

>Anyway, I've found a surprising great place to pick up XTC CDs at a great
>price!  Circuit City has a great selection (at least the one I went to in
>Phoenix, AZ)...

I acquired most of my catalog (all the pre-Skylarking albums but ES) at
Circuit City, in one fell swoop. They're not really "cheap," but they were
at a pretty good $10.99, and with two discs selling at $4.99
(interestingly, these two don't have the Goldline marking, even though they
were purchased at that price...) I got a good deal out of it...

>A Clockwork Oranges and Lemons

There's something about dystopic futures and this album, isn't there? First
1984, then this...

>Well, the original idea was to translate "Garden of Earthly Delights" into
>Nadsat, and have the song open with a bit of Beethoven...

Now this is an interesting idea. "Just don't hurt nobody -- less of course,
you *want* to..."

Josh

/---------------------------Joshua Hall-Bachner---------------------------\
|      harlequin@tmbg.org      http://www.servtech.com/public/particle/   |
| "We all have our idiosyncracies -- maybe thinning hair, or gum disease."|
\---- Kowanko, "Will You Come To?" ------ Thank You, And Goodnight. ------/

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Message-Id: <s3e860a1.014@elsevier.com>
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 11:31:31 -0400
From: Ralph DeMarco <r.demarco@elsevier.com>
Subject: DVD, TR, Ray Davies, Out like Flynn, XTC Soul Mate

Dear One Armed Bandits and Affiliated Members:

Note: In Chalkhills #149 I attributed a quote regarding TR and Skylarking to
PCulnane when it was really from Matt Keeley.  I apologize.

Now to the posts:

Dave Blackburn wrote:
>One drawback with DVD is that any CDs that were mixed to DAT will remain
>16-bit in resolution even after transfer. Those that were mixed to analog
>tape (as most of the XTC stuff was) will sound better, as the masters can
>be transferred at the highest new bit rate and sampling rate.  There are
>other radical new audio developments coming down the pike too which should
>make the experience of placing yourself between a pair of speakers for
>"true stereophonic sound" seem a cute thing of the past. Of course, it's
>debatable whether Mr and Ms record consumer will really care: most people
>seem delighted with CDs.

I for one, am not 'most people' delighted with CDs!  I do like them 'cause
they are convenient and there's often less distortion (but as you know real
sound has distortion in it!)  However, CDs have always been an unfinished
technology - they don't hold enough information to reproduce real analog
sound.  This is why I often laugh my pressed panties off when I read people
debate back and forth about whether the new gold re-mastered CDs sound
better than the original CD versions.  Granted, they probably do. My
brother-in-law bought me the new gold 'Shoot out the lights' by Richard and
Linda Thompson and you know what I listed to instead..the original album!
It just sounds better!  People...wake up and find a vinyl copy of O&L, (or
any XTC album in good condition!) toss it on a turntable with a decent sharp
stylus (and a good stereo system) and you will be AMAZED - it will sound
like live music - you can hear the subtle vibrations of the snare drums, the
flick of the guitar pick plucking the strings, the strings vibrating off the
frets, the voices will sound ambient and rich, the bass will have real
punch!  CDs sound flat and lifeless - no matter what they do to improve
them.  The supposed superior sound quality of CDs is the greatest corporate
scam of the last 20 years!  They told us that dynamic range is everything
and that is just not true!!  NOW, they are admitting this by trying to sell
you Gold CDs at 2 or 3 times the price - and so now DVDs are supposed to fix
the problem of digital sound reproduction?  Maybe they will improve digital
reproduction, I don't know.  My advice to all you Chalkers who are obsessed
by the Digital revolution - rediscover vinyl and then jump for joy.

Erich Walther <enrico@fox.nstn.ca> wrote:

>The only bone I have to pick with TR is his tendency to OVER-produce; he
>seems to abhor (sp) a vacuum and has to fill every little space. Still, 'A
>Wizard, A True Star' (he's soo humble), 'Something/Anything' and 'Swing to
>the Right' are must-haves.

I agree sometimes Todd does get carried away in the studio but...more
often than not, it works!  I also think that the underrated 'A-Capella' is one
of his best (the song Blue Orpheus sounds like it could have been
written by Andy P.- though I'm sure Andy's arrangement and production
would be much different).  The album 'Nearly Human' has some nice
Motown/Gamble & Huff  influences that I like and a great cover of Elvis
Costello's 'Two Little Hitlers'.

Erich:
>Ray Davies is the man! His influence on both Andy and EC is pretty bloody
>obvious. Check out EC's outstanding interpretation of 'Days'; of course, EC
>makes even have a nice day sound like he's spilling his soul out at
>you. How the Kinks got relegated to the delete bin of life is beyond me...

Ray Davies is one of the best contemporary songwriters ever!  He is
very smart, writes lyrics that combine perfectly with his great melodies
and often complicated arrangements.  Andy P's addiction to  the all
important bridge (which often sounds like a different song) is a testament
to the genius of Ray Davies.  Sometimes I think the Kinks are often
just..well..better than the Beatles  - which is very, very difficult for me to
admit.  And, yes...they have been overlooked way, way too much! In
regards to lyrical themes - Ray Davies is the true working class hero -
not John Lennon (with all do respect to John).
Erich:
>Subject: Errol(y) We Roll Along
>I checked with an uncle and a dad (and various trivia books) and 'in like
>Flynn' seems to originally refer to how he'd invariably have a scene where
>he'd swoop across the screen on a) a rope, b) a drapery, c) something
>hanging off a tree...you get my drift. His kiddie-diddling scandal later in
>his career gave the moniker a whole new spin... BUT, when you look at the
>title of the song, doesn't 'flint' make more sense?  Andy playing with fire
>again...And when you look at the first line of this verse the
>flynn/flint/fire pun fairly leaps to the fore with the mention of
>juvenile'ing. Once again, Andy working on all levels; and we mortals just
>shake our heads and say Wha??

Thank you for finally clearing the mystery up for me!  Chalkhills rules!

NEWS FLASH:

Most of my friends do not like XTC.  I found one who not only likes 'em,
but loves 'em.  We spent all last Saturday afternoon listening to XTC
records (original vinyl of course) and bonding in a new way.  We also
listened to Nonsvch on CD (was it ever pressed on vinyl?? I would love
to know).  Life is good.

Chow,
Ralphie

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Message-ID: <c=GB%a=_%p=Benfield_Group%l=BENEXCHG-970806153159Z-6647@benexchg.benfield.co.uk>
From: Gary Minns <Gary.Minns@benfield.co.uk>
Subject: The Increasingly Nonsensical Stories of a Certain Cap'n
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:31:59 +0100

>>There was no Master Bates (it was Master Mate).
>>There was no Seaman Staines.
>>And the producers of Capt Pugwash have been known to sue people who suggest
>>in print that there were.
>
>How right you are, I was getting mixed up with Captain Titwank (not as
>widely shown).

Thanks for that reply Simon.  Could you put some warning ahead of all
future comments in this vein so that you spare the rest of us splurting
our coffee out over the screen in fits of laughter?!

Gary

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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 00:09:34 +0700 (GMT)
Message-Id: <199708061709.AAA02212@smtp-0.indo.net.id>
From: Todd Steed <todzilla@indo.net.id>
Subject: RE: ZAPPA AND GRAND FUNK

Why did Zappa produce Grank Funk?

I guess the both asked him and paid him.  He probably took the proceeds and
made a classic album like One Size Fits All or went on tour.

Todd R. I can't speak for. He gets on my nerves, though his work on
Skylarking is mighty fine. I think he shines with the right talent.

I am an XTC fan who likes Zappa more than XTC. Anybody else like that?

Todd of the short Forest

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From: garyt@dna1.dnet.co.uk (Gary Thompson)
Subject: First Floyd Album
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 18:28:20 +0100
Message-ID: <19970806171656.AAA7899@gt628.dnet.co.uk>

Any of you who enjoy the Dukes' take on 60's psychedelia might be interested
to know the first Pink Floyd album, 'Piper at the Gates of Dawn' has been
reissued in the original mono mix, and mighty fine it sounds. Also
available, for a short while, is a CD EP with the first 3 simgles, plus
b-sides.

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Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 10:56:47 -0700
From: "pawnee q " <ribber@mailcity.com>
Message-ID: <MEOCBCBMKNIPAAAA@mailcity.com>
Subject: so this must be the place.....
Organization: MailCity E-Mail Service

Hiya, one and all. Me? I found XTC after,(I remember clearly) reading a
review of "Drums and Wires" in Cream magazine. Their characterisation of the
boys as hook masters sold me, and I've been "hooked" ever since.
First off, I'd like to add mine to the list of those on the search for demos
and outtakes. I am not a "collector" so cassette dubs are just dandy and I
have a huge collection of oddball stuff of all persuasions to swap with.
Question: What's the deal with the missing line in most later releases of
"Life Begins At the Hop" ?
It's great to hear that there's going to finally be some new stuff. I,
personally thought that "Nonesuch" was absolutely the weakest thing they'd
ever done and I'm glad they're not stopping there.
Me??? I play in an acoustic trio here in Santa Fe NM called, "Phydeaux
III". I'm really the only member that has any real XTC influence, but as I'm
the guitarist/vocalist, I'm sure that there is a bit of Andy in there.
You havn't heard the last from me, and I think it's "In Like Flynn",
personally.

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Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 14:57:49 -0600 (MDT)
From: Eric Muller <EMULLER@UWYO.EDU>
Subject: del amitri--no xtc content
Message-id: <01IM4GC1WZN6000UWH@PLAINS.UWYO.EDU>

A question from a once-upon-a-time poster, now lurker, on this list:  I heard
a song by Del Amitri on the radio the other day.  It was catchy as hell.  Is
any of their disks worth owning?  Which?
Please respond to me directly; no need to clutter up the list with Del Amitri
debates.
Thanks-
Eric Muller
emuller@uwyo.edu

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Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970806144644.00695784@pop.cancom.net>
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 14:48:39 -0700
From: The Village Green <green@vis.bc.ca>
Subject: New Guy

Greetings, this is a long one so skip if it you don't want to hear from the
new guy.

I am, if my email name gives any clue, a *big* Kinks fan.  I am also a big
fan of XTC.  And, .... I have everything from Todd Rundgren and Utopia.  I
have read a couple of your digests and am quite surprised at the nature of
the hate that some people have for TR.  I haven't read enough to know if
this is the general attitude of the postings but let it go already.  He
produced an incredible album and Andy said in Rolling Stone that in
hindsight maybe the situation wasn't as bad as they thought at the time.
Maybe he has said other things elsewhere so please enlighten me; privately
if you wish.

As far as XTC goes I not too crazy about a lot of the stuff from the early
releases (however Are You Receiving Me stills stands as a truly superb
song). Starting with Drums & Wires they just got better and better.  I'm
not partial to any one album, but as a whole like The Big Express,
Skylarking, Oranges & Lemons, and Nonsuch.  As for individual songs the
following stand out (at this moment):

Atom Age, Outside World, Nigel, Respectable Street, No Thugs, English
Roundabout, Senses WOT, I Remember The Sun, Smalltown, Ladybird, Red Brick
Dream, Train Running Low, Dear God, Another Satellite, Earn Enough For Us,
Mayor Of Simpleton, Chalkhills, Scarecrow People, Peter Pumpkinhead, Dear
Madam Barnum, Crocodile, Wrapped In Grey.    etc, etc.

I first discovered XTC with the release of Drums & Wires and, over time,
became hooked.  What I have found most annoying about the general response
from critics has been that the band have been their own worst enemies with
smart-alecky, nonsensical lyrics and quirky, inaccesible, all over the
place melodies.  (I've never used all those words in the same place before,
never mind the same sentence).

The music is intelligent and the musicianship first rate. It's sometimes a
little too disjointed and the words are just that, words.  I'm sorry that
it doesn't fit a format designed for drones but it works better than the
popular garbage that's been floated around the last number of years.

My two cents on TR:  his New World Order was a piece of garbage.  There
should have been a warning sticker on the front.  He has had other 'bombs'
with side two of Initiation, pretty much all of Healing, and some of AWATS.
 As a producer he hasn't had tremendous 'commercial' success other than Bat
Out Of Hell. For a down-right excellent production of his check out The
Pursuit Of Happiness' "Love Junk".  In the big picture he has created some
fine music, never bowing to the pressures of the marketplace. Personally
I'd bet that he is annoyingly self-important.

I am from Valemount, British Columbia, population 1,200.  It's in the
middle of three mountain ranges and only an hour from Jasper National Park.
 I play guitar in a few different 'groups' depending on who wants to do
what and when.  No pop, no pap.

Any Kinks fans can find the Kinks Preservation Society through Neil
Ottenstein at otten@tomco.net.  Tell him I sent you.

Sequential Circuits... I still have a Six-Trak, which I believe had the
first on board sequencer of any synth.  It's an antique but definitely
interesting.

All the best
Bill Green

What do you call that noise...

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Message-Id: <199708062247.AAA03051@utrecht.knoware.nl>
From: "Mark Strijbos" <mmello@knoware.nl>
Organization: The Little Lighthouse
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 00:52:43 +0000
Subject: XTC Or Agony ?

Dear Chalkers,

Ed Miller had a problem with a tune that stuck in his head:

> However, while skipping though the CD to get to 'The Disappointed", my
> brain caught the opening guitar parts to "My Bird Performs."  Now,
> today, at work, it's the same problem, different tune.
>
> ARRRRGGGHHH!
>
> Any suggestions for therapy, drugs or references for a good shrink will
> be greatly appreciated.

Ed, the only drug that will cure you of this condition is more XTC.
Of course this will only be (fossil) fuel for your addiction but
there's no alternative...
You just have to fill your head with ALL their songs and you will be
cured ;)

But seriously, did anyone know there's a lubricant (ARF ARF!)
on the market called 'XTC Jelly' ???

bye,

Mark Strijbos
at The Little Lighthouse; the XTC website @ http://utopia.knoware.nl/~mmello
===> The Random XTC Quote <===
They never read that tattoo on his arm

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From: dale.mann@juno.com
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:36:48 -0400
Subject: Block on Idea
Message-ID: <19970806.103649.9342.0.dale.mann@juno.com>

I'm a long time lurker from Atlanta, GA.  I had the opportunity the see
Jamie Block Sunday (8/3) night.  I was not familiar with his music, but I
had seen him recommended on chalkhills.  I enjoyed the show very much.  I
highly recommend his CD (which I purchased from Block), or better yet catch
him live.  Anyway, I told him that I heard of him through chalkhills.  He
said something like, "Wow, Andy and I are good friends. Have you heard about
his new label; isn't it great."  He said he wants to release his next CD on
IDEA.  Again, he is a very talented (Andy agrees and he seems pretty stingy
with the compliments for other musicians) friendly person.  So now there are
at least two IDEA releases I know I'll buy.

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Message-ID: <33E987F1.1549@ns1.mindmagic.com>
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 08:31:47 +0000
From: Brian Matthews <btm@ns1.mindmagic.com>
Organization: Ringling Multimedia Corporation
Subject: BZZZZZZZZZZZZZT!

Tschalkgerz!

Having posted this before:

>Chris Ellerd asked about a copy of 'Skylarking' with both "Dear God" and
>"Mermaid Smiled" included... I don't have it in front of me, but I think I
>have a cassette at work with both on it ("Mermaid Smiled" was included with
>one other as *extras). I'll check and get back with ya.

Well, I was wrong. So sue me. :-)

-Brian
Eating future and shitting past...

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