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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 3, Number 117

                  Wednesday, 21 May 1997

Today's Topics:

               Labels, Profits, & Legalese
                   Demos and Doodlings.
                      A "Black Sea"
            THE FATE OF THE FAN IS PROJECTION
            Yazbek's Greatness (and infirmity)
                       Catch a .WAV
                     Cut it Out (Bin)
             the fate of the online demos...
             Louder than bombers in flight...
                     XTC on the radio
       You gotta do it cuz' it makes you feel good!
                   Geffen is no Virgin
                      Pete Sinfield
                    moms who like XTC
                        rock reads
                   Sir Paul & Jeff Lynn
                 fave album vs fave songs
     MIDI, dummy, PC, COD, whoopee, Prarie & Liberty
            Questions, comments, dreams, etc.
                      A lot of Brass
            Chalkhills and children guitar TAB

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Message-Id: <199705201806.LAA23454@sgi.sgi.com>
From: "JH3" <JH3@alternatech.net>
Subject: Labels, Profits, & Legalese
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 12:58:11 -0500

> From Joshua Hall-Bachner:
> Geffen is a Virgin subsidiary...

Wow, David Geffen's gonna to be *really* pissed when he finds out about
this!

>...So, no, they need a US deal as well as UK and elsewhere deals.

Maybe -- that depends on who they sign with. In my opinion they'll be
better off with a small UK label that offers a profit-sharing deal than
a large one with better distribution and no profit-sharing (Majors
don't "do" profit-sharing, as far as I know). But that will mean having
to sign a separate US deal, and the US label probably won't go for
those terms.

I'm just guessing here about the numbers, but considering the average
label's profit margin (usually over 500 percent after hard costs but
before "overhead" expenses are considered), they'd probably only need a
10-percent share of the label's profits to make the same amount selling
only about 20 percent of the product they'd have to sell *without* the
10 percent share. The risk is that the limited distribution won't allow
them to achieve even that figure, but I think there are enough of us
willing to go out of our way to find the stuff that it would be a risk
worth taking.

> From: Dummyhead Girl <bendamm@infosel.net.mx>:
> Why do XTC fans hate CTD so much?

Well, as you know, Combined Testicular Disorder is a *very* painful and
embarrassing malady.

> On the "Haves" vs. "Have-Nots" issue:

Some of y'all might be mistaking caution for "elitism." People who
"have" this stuff don't know if you're just another well-meaning fan or
a notorious bootlegger with lots of friends in San Marino. Remember
that Andy & Colin no longer have a big record label to supply them with
expensive lawyers to fight expensive international copyright
infringement battles. (Not that Virgin would've lifted a finger
anyway.)

Cheryl writes:

> THIS made me wonder if the songs Mr. P has written are under a copy
> right and is it a violation to be playing them over the internet like
that?

Under the new copyright laws (passed in the US last February, in most
European countries last year I think), it *is* a legal violation, and
what's worse, record *labels* can now legally pursue you if you
publicly post even a low-fi digital recording of a work for which they
hold the publishing rights. This is a huge victory for the labels, who
previously had to underwrite each artist's legal activities to pursue
such activities as copyright infringement. That, of course, meant
getting the permission and support of the artist, who weren't always
interested in bringing down government heat on (mostly) their own fans;
also in most cases the penalties weren't worth the legal expenses. Now
they don't necessarily have to get that permission, and the fines are
stiffer, but of course the law is largely untested (at least in the
US).

Obviously since XTC doesn't have a label now, this isn't likely to be a
problem for demos that EMI doesn't own, unless Andy himself decides to
start suing people -- which he probably won't. I suspect he's had
enough litigation for several lifetimes...

--John Hedges

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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 14:15:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Sean Hennessey <suggs@sunspot.tiac.net>
Subject: Demos and Doodlings.
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.970520141048.8956A-100000@sunspot.tiac.net>

Hallo,

Ace lurker here to shatter the year or so quiet time (and occasional
unsubbed time too, sorry to say).  Al the prattle running about the list
about posting demo versions on webpages and all has made me remember that
the persons who've promised me dubs of these have still never managed to
ever get them to me.  Many on the list says that they is willing to trade
for copies, so if that is so, is anyone willing to do so?  E-mail me
privately and let me know what you are looking for.  Also, I happen to be
in Boston, MA, where not too many people must like XTC because there are
quite a number of XTC singles and the such on sale in used stores for very
little, so I can have a look about for something if I don't have it.

Cheers - Sean

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From: jason.phelan@mcmail.vanderbilt.edu
Date: Tue, 20 May 97 14:51:03 CST
Message-Id: <9704208641.AA864165203@in2.mcmail.vanderbilt.edu>
Subject: A "Black Sea"

     Here it is, the Mother of all parodies.....

     I have found that Chalkhills is best described as...

      A "Black Sea"

     Note - NOT TO BE TAKEN PERSONALLY BY ANY MEMBER OF THE LIST.
            ANY RESEMBLANCE TO POSTERS, PAST FUTURE OR PRESENT
            IS PURELY COINCIDENTAL.

     Respectable Posts

     It's in the order of their old po-oh-osts
     It's in the way their minds all open and clo-hose
     It's in the words they send you down their no-oh-hose
     All part of Chalkhills hierarchy I suppose....

     Generals and Majors

     Josh and Amanda uh-huh
     They're never too far
     From subjects so laborious
     Out in a world of their own
     They never slow down
     Yet never are Victorious

     Oh Josh and Amanda always
     seem so unhappy lest they have a post
     Josh and Amanda uh-huh
     will never go far
     and never be too actionless

     Living Through Another Chalkhills

     Scrolling through another Cha-aw-awlkHills
     it's all us bickering again and "You-know-who"'s in the middle
     Scrolling through another Cha-aw-awlkHills
     Microsoft is first again while we all are second fiddle

     Love at First Sight

     See the posters all go crazy
     as they scramble for new stuff
     Reading Posts from poor AMANDA
     Sure is getting pretty rough.

     News at first write (what we need is)

     Rocket from a bottle

     Con
     ven
     tions
     Held a cross
     the
     sea
     I feel so like getting wet
     today-iy-yay-iy-ya-ha-he-hey
     I could swim
     like that girl in the cage
     all the way
     to Uffington today

     I'm contemplating a trip around the world

     Like a Guiness rcord breaker that's me
     I'll swim all the way a cross the sea
     I'll be going at dark
     I'll be chewing up sharks
     Just to see Martin Newell

     No Language

     There is no new news left to write
     To tell the world just how we        feel
     No, no, no, no, no, we're leaving nothing behind
     It all gets u-who-who-oozed
     Even if Gregsy is a quee-hear
     Oh...there is no new news left to ....
     Ra-HIGH-ite

     *Bonus Track* Smokeless Zone

     Im living in a post-less zone
     My house is now a happy home
     I'm so damn glad I don't
     sub  scribe any longer
     I'm living in a post-less zone

     Chalkhills fat
     and with pleasant posts
     Now is just a time bomb, yeah
     The whole damn thing is gonna
     Implode on itself

     Towers of London ( PILES OF CHALKHILLS )

     Piles of Chalkhills
     Linger in archives
     Do you remember the band at all?
     Towers of Chalkhills
     arriving by noontime
     eleven electronic miles tall...

     We talk of bands considered to be underground
     Many musicians spreading their chord changes 'round
     Drek is the drink of the never-never newbies who pound
     ON and ON about them Crashed Tested Dummies

     Paper and Iron

     I pray the list ain't waining
     Ears are ringing from this complaining
     But new insight I am not gaining

     I take home my Chalkhills posts everyweek
     "There will be some new stuff out soon"
     But they can kiss the other cheek
     The other cheek
     La la low on Chalkhills
     La la low on ideas
     La la low on good posts
     La la low on ideas

     Burning with optimism's flamers

     Never seen such postings
     all the flames and toasting
     and now there's picking
     on which side you're sticking
     all this talk of
     French trombones
     is leaving me
     a little bit
     blank

     it

     Always goes to show
     it's not whose horn you blow
     but it's the tune you play
     Not if you're straight or gay
     or black or grey or pink or multi-
     like our cheshire cousins

     We claim we all have found a new way to write
     all we do is open our mouths and we fight

     You see us burning with unartistic flames
     You see us building up all the guilt and shame
     You see us bur-urn and year-ur-ning

     Sgt. Rock is going to Help Me

     I'm un-sub-scribing
     before i get old
     I'm such a spoil sport
     I'm sure I'll be told
     But all this quibbling
     About CTD
     Has got me wretching
     with a want to be free

     If I could only find a way
     to skip
     the
     postings from "You-know-who"

     Major Domo's gonna let me
     Leave the list fine
     Unsubscribe on time
     Major Domo's gonna help me
     to un-sub-scribe
     Wave the (backwards) victory sign

     Travels in Nihilon

     You've learnt no lessons
     all those posts so cheaply sent
     There's no youth culture
     just someone named "dummyhead"

     Travels
     Travels in Spam-a-lot ( Spam-a-ham-a-wham-a-bam-a-hamalot
     -a-hamalot-a-hamalot)
     We've seen
     No album come or go in quite a while, in quite a while, in quite a while,
     in quite a while.

     Note - NOT TO BE TAKEN PERSONALLY BY ANY MEMBER OF THE LIST.
            ANY RESEMBLANCE TO POSTERS, PAST FUTURE OR PRESENT
            IS PURELY COINCIDENTAL.

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From: J_ARTECONA@RCMAD.UPR.CLU.EDU
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 16:03:27 -0400
Message-Id: <970520160327.220080b8@RCMAD.UPR.CLU.EDU>
Subject: THE FATE OF THE FAN IS PROJECTION

Hi all,

a few words on the drug thing. I have read the letters regarding their
use and must say it definitely puts the cactii thing in a different
light.So maybe they don't do 'shrooms, not that I am totally dissuaded
from my views but shall keep them for private talk if anyone cares. I
have always said that THE FATE OF THE FAN IS PROJECTION, it is an
unavoidable reality of being a fan. So maybe all I imagine the lads to
be is illusion.

Oh, and to Sherwood, never in a million years did I think that the
lads where drug addled, windowpane seeking, drug addicts, just
occasional users and there is quite a difference mind you. I don't
think anyone who is addicted could consistently put out as much great
material as the lads from Swindon have. Andy seems like too much of a
perfectionist anyway.

And now my last mention of drugs, and you can put this one under
conspiracy theories regarding Andy, but.....I have always wondered if
there was a connection between ANdy's stoppage of Valium and his stage
fright. You know that valium is a powerful anti-anxiety agent, which
means that the rebound effect from cessation of it is anxiety. From my
many years in the addiction field I can also say that the rebound
effect from cessation of benzodiazepines (of which valium is an
example) can often be protracted and marked by anxiety attacks. This
would mean that if Andy's stage fright was a function of valium he
would no longer be scared of touring! A few trial concerts should
provide the answer and of course I would also have to be there to
serve as an impartial observer.  So there is the theory, probably more
projection I am sure.

And if anyone cares or wonders, I do not use drugs, I just know a lot
about them but that also means I am biased. If your only tool is a
hammer everyone looks like a nail.

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Message-Id: <s381a642.024@phjw.com>
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 13:24:23 -0700
From: "MARK G. CUEVAS" <MGCUEVAS@phjw.com>
Subject: Yazbek's Greatness (and infirmity)

Dearest Chalksters:

In a recent Chalkhills, Natalie mentioned David Yazbek's music as not
appealing to her.  She then went on to explain her position a bit.

For the record (no pun intended), I completely disagree with the
notion that Yazbek is anything less than *outstanding*.  In my
opinion, David Yazbek's "The Laughing Man" is the most original music
I have heard in years (five years to be exact).  His use of vocal
harmonies, changes in tempo, lively rhythms and synthesizers, create
moods that actually take me there.  I really can't wait to hear what
else he has in store for us.

If Yazbek were limited solely to his music, he would be above
average.  Thankfully, his wit and use of metaphor are so refreshingly
clever that the total Yazbek experience takes me to another level
altogether.  It is xtc-like (and hence brilliant-like) in that the
music and lyrics combine to create a whole greater than the sum of
its parts.  *I need more of this*.

Last year I went on a bit about The Sugarplastic, especially after
seeing them live and talking to Ben before the show.  I still enjoy
their vocal harmonies and appreciate their strong Pop sound, but with
three musicians (and only one vocalist) there is not enough there,
there.

Yazbek is on a different level.  For those of you who haven't yet
heard him, visit the web site.  The snippets don't do him justice,
but it may be enough to pique your interest.  Better yet, just buy
the CD.

For those who wonder what my musical tastes are like, here is a
sample of what I'm currently listening to:

(Early) Police
(Early) Joe Jackson
Jason Faulkner
Martin Newell
Squeeze
Steely Dan
Stan Kenton  :)

My Contribution:

Jason and the Choc-Full-O-Nuts
Pink Bubble Gum Thing
Living Through Another Scoopa

Oh Dave, about that bleeding, I can recommend a salve that has been
known to reduce the swelling when applied liberally and often.  It
worked for ... uh ... a friend of mine.   :)

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Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 16:58:37 -0600 (CST)
From: y9d62@ttacs1.ttu.edu
Subject: Catch a .WAV
Message-id: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.970520165411.558188581A-100000@ttacs.ttu.edu>

Only real audio could be giving me this headache, because I'm sure I
didn't drink THAT much last night...Just in case, can I ask if anyone
could post those agreeable files in .wave format?  I doubt it, but what
good is a news group if you can't bum favors off complete strangers?

And why hasn't somebody covered Funk Pop A Roll yet?  I think if you
slowed it down, and put Weiland in front of it, you'd have one...well,
typical B-side!  Here's hoping that modern rock doesn't refuse to die....

Dominique

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Message-Id: <199705202340.QAA11562@f33.hotmail.com>
From: "Ben Gott" <xtcfan@hotmail.com>
Subject: Cut it Out (Bin)
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 16:40:18 PDT

I just returned from a three-day class trip to Washington, D.C., where I
happened upon a Border's Book & Music store in a large Maryland mall. Not
only did they have a good XTC selection - including "Fossil Fuels," all the
gold discs, and "Waxworks" - but they also had the freakin' "Greatest Living
Englishman," the album that I had searched for for about three months
(price=$16.95). Story gets better: I worked my way over to the cut out bin,
to see what XTC I could see, and found "The Big Express," "Oranges and
Lemons," and "The Greatest Living Englishman." All for $5.99. Pinch me. I
almost chundered all over the clerk.

Didn't buy anything, although the bookstore section did have a copy of the
M-TV Unplugged book, marked down from $50 to $4.99. Smart shoppers...

Does anyone know what kind of synth is used in "It's Nearly Africa"?

-Ben (Any day now now.)
* ---------------------------------------
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Our instruments have no way of measuring this feeling.

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From: shaefner@falcon.cc.ukans.edu
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 20:05:53 -0500 (CDT)
Message-Id: <199705210105.UAA25136@services.midusa.net>
Subject: the fate of the online demos...

Chalkhillians,

first of all, to the many people who have emailed and posted thanking me,
etc.  for posting the "new" demos, you are all welcome.  I put the demos on
the net because I know how much I wanted to hear them, after 4 years, and
because it had been suggested by 2 or 3 fellow listmembers, and it sounded
like a good idea.  Since I have the demos, the software, and the "know-how,"
and because I am not interested in coordinating a tape tree, I decided to
encode the best of the bunch for everyone to hear.  I have also made tapes
of them for about 6-8 Chalkhillians, as many others have done.  But the best
way for nearly everyone on the list to hear them, I felt, would be to encode
them in RA.  And based on Andy's comments, I reasoned that he would most
likely be OK with it.  But, as Simon pointed out, maybe Andy was just sorta
OK with the circulation of the demos, and at the same time, not happy about
it.

Anyway, I have been thinking about it over the last week or so, plus I have
read what Simon wrote and have to agree with a lot of it (see #3-114).  So,
I will be taking the demos off the Internet within the next week.  So, if
you haven't yet listened and would like to, do so quickly!  Their purpose of
exposing Chalkies to Andy's new songs has been served, and it is probably in
everyone's best interest if I remove them.

Jill said:

>I'm grateful to the fellow who posted the current demos..thank you thank
>you thank you!  (I agree with the "haves and have nots" theory on the
>ethics of putting them up)

Actually, after reading Mark's testimony, I don't think that this is the case.

James asked:

>I am not very familier with Real Audio, is the quality of the demos due to
>converting the tapes to Real Audio fromat or were the demos tapes the
>culprits?

The songs that I converted did not seem to lose much in the way of sound
quality; they sound about the same as on the tape.  Part of the problem may
be that they are being played through computer speakers, rather than stereo
speakers.  Also, I recorded them in mono to keep the size as small as
possible.

Please be advised that I cannot do any trades at the moment since I am
packing everything up and heading to England to live for six months...Maybe
I could meet with some English chalkies?  We will live somewhere near
London, but I won't know for sure until we get there and locate a place to
live.  Email me if interested.

definitely *not* a God,
-Scott
http://www.sky.net/~shaefner

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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 00:03:23 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id: <199705210403.AAA10047@cyber1.servtech.com>
From: Joshua Hall-Bachner <harlequin@tmbg.org>
Subject: Louder than bombers in flight...

>Josh didn't get that I was new to listening to the NO DOUBT album

My point wasn't really that; I was just sharing my personal dislike of the
band's lyrical abilities, since you brought it up. Personally, I tend to pay
a lot of attention to the lyrics, and usually look them up after about three
listens if I haven't figured them out already, but that's just me...

>I apologize to anyone who may have "run to the loo and vomited,"

I think someone who would do as you suggest because one of their favorite
musicians is gay needs to rethink their priorities.

Of course, special dispensation for amanda, she had her heart set on the guy...

>(Guys, did I leave anything out??????)

Posting in volumes that make *me* look like a lurker?

>I am not very familier with Real Audio, is the quality of the demos due to
>converting the tapes to Real Audio fromat or were the demos tapes the
>culprits?

Probably both. Most of the copies of the demos floating around on Chalkhills
are probably 5th gen or higher.

>I'm definitely buying the album after hearing these demos! As soon as it hits
>the shelf.

No kidding! I will once again state my humble opinion that these demos are
very possibly the best material Andy Partridge has ever written.

>My roommate Ron and I are sittin' here listening to "She Blinded
>Me with Science" by one Mr. Thomas Dolby, once considered as
>Barry Andrews replacement.

Ahhh, yes, "She Blinded Me With Science." If I had some sort of
probability-altering machine, one of my first steps would be to see what XTC
would have sounded like with an Andy / Colin / Thomas Dolby lineup. Or an
Andy / Colin / Brian Eno lineup. (Both were considered as members before
they picked Dave.)

>THIS made me wonder if the songs Mr. P has written are under a copy
>right and is it a violation to be playing them over the internet like
>that?

Yes, the songs are copyrighted, and technically it's a copyright violation
just to be in possession of a dub of them.

>Still trying to get used to Explode Together,

Heh. "Mr. Ditko was *right*! Mr. A is soooo neaaaaaar."

BTW, I'd just like to apologize to Keith Beck for not getting back to him on
his tape request, but I'm sadly still working on the tapes I got *last time.*

Josh
Louder than screaming warlords...
/-------------Joshua Hall-Bachner-------------Chaos Harlequin-------------\
|       harlequin@tmbg.com     http://www.servtech.com/public/particle/   |
|"We all have our idiosyncracies -- maybe thinning hair, or gum disease." |
\---- Kowanko, "Will You Come To?" ------ Thank You, And Goodnight. ------/

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Message-Id: <v01530500afa82df96cad@[206.80.189.30]>
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 22:55:30 -0700
From: mad@macconnect.com (Michael De Bernardi)
Subject: XTC on the radio

just thought you might like to know...

i recently moved from chicago to new mexico and figured that my radio
listening days were over, but i'm happy to say that i found a station
called KBAC, "Radio Free Santa Fe".  Over four days, i have heard "generals
and majors", "earn enough for us", and "king for a day", in the middle of
the day no less!  evidently, someone in the land of enchantment has been
paying attention.

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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 00:33:09 -0500 (CDT)
From: The Gottschalks <gotts@tenet.edu>
Subject: You gotta do it cuz' it makes you feel good!
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970521000323.32496B-100000@Joyce-Perkins.tenet.edu>

	Sorry, but the person who wrote "If you can't beat em' join em'"
made me think of the next line of the song. Does anyone get the
reference? There have been some good responses to the comments on Dave's
sexuality, but let me just add something. Growing on the point that it
takes much more bravery to proclaim homosexuality than it does to proclaim
heterosexuality, well, doesn't that say a lot about the homosexual?
Wouldn't that kind of indicate that most people who are openly gay have a
firmer grasp on their lives than some? I mean, going against society's
mainframe in any way is brave, and don't we respect the brave? Oh well...

	I don't know how Amanda's opinions, no matter how strong, have
made such an impact on this list. I've been on this list for over two
months, and people still bring up how offensive she was in the past. It
just amazes me that a list compiled of so many older, more mature people
can go on so long about it.

	About Dummyhead Girl: Someone childishly criticized her for
spelling the word "rules" as "rulz" and then went on to spell her name,
Titiana, as something like "Tityana." Please pay attention to what you
write. And besides, who the hell cares? Maybe she wanted us to think of
it as being pronounced with a "z" at the end. So what? Don't some people
write "kewl"? Anyway, enough preaching about that. I've been thinking
about something else. Titiana wrote her first message very enthusiasticly
about being a CTD fan. In her second message she just totally went off
about Jars of Clay. Both unwritten Chalkhills offenses. But has it
occured to anyone that humiliating her for it in front of the whole list was
also wrong? It's one thing to send a private post welcoming her to the
list and simply giving her a precaution about postings, but criticizing
her on the list is even worse (especially in childish ways). I may be the
only one who knows this, but she almost left the list because of all the
flaming responses. I'm just saying (in a long-winded sort of way) that
we should be a little nicer to those who make harmless mistakes. And
might I add, I haven't seen anyone shove it in anyone's face to like CTD.
It's just that CTD fans, like myself, are generally desperate to find
other Dummyheads. Well, I've gone on far too long about all that.

	Christian rock is generally repulsive to me. Bands like DC Talk
just sound to me like a big joke. I think it's because if a band focuses
on one sound or one subject to sing about, they're gonna suck. Religion
doesn't offend me. I absolutely love the album Hope Chest by 10000
Maniacs, which is quite religious, but also political, etc...

	Rykodisc also incorporates MONO PUFF!!!! The Roches too.

Love,
Dummyhead Boy, Chalkhillian, TMBGer, and Boingoloid (Mark)

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Message-Id: <199705211052.FAA19594@dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com>
From: "Steve & Lauren Perley" <huduguru@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Geffen is no Virgin
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 18:54:55 -0400

Joshua wrote:

>Geffen is a Virgin subsidiary. So, no, they need a US deal as well as UK and
>elsewhere deals.

To which Martin_Monkman@fincc04.fin.gov.bc.ca replied:

>As for XTC's part in all this --  when XTC originally signed with
>Virgin the label had no American subsidiary (as they do in Canada,
>Japan, and elsewhere) or distribution ... so the band reached an
>arrangement with Geffen to distribute XTC albums in the USA.

A fairly complete account, my friend, marred only by the omission of the
miserable
CBS YEARS!  Ah yes, CBS...who cut English Settlement down to one disc, and
were later swallowed themselves by the Japanese Sony conglomerate.  I think
that The Big Express was the first Geffen release before they reissued the
whole back catalog.

As for Geffen, isn't the original Geffen label still with WEA and didn't
David Geffen start a new label (DGC?) which is distributed by MCA?  I may
be wrong here, and nobody in the world may care...

Hey, what can I say?  I managed a Strawberries Records store in the
mid-80's!  I read a lot of album covers...

Anxiously awaiting Chalkhills' Children on no label whatsoever-
Steve

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Date: Wed, 21 May 97 13:33:12 UT
From: "William Hearne" <LHearne@msn.com>
Message-Id: <UPMAIL14.199705211328400368@msn.com>
Subject: Pete Sinfield

Go here to see interesting comments of Pete Sinfield regarding early King
Crimson, and see that Pete Sinfiled is sort of a wiseass even after all these
years:

http://bliss.berkeley.edu/elp/digest/back-issues/1994/elp-digest-4.19

Dobby, I want to kill you for introducing me to Music Blvd.  David Crider and
I have together ordered about 15 cds in the last week.  The place has mighty
cheap prices, but it's still money.  My latest order includes Quiet Sun's
"Mainstream" which, as you will recall, holds the distinction of containing
the best song title ever: "Daddy Was An Asteroid, Mummy Was A Non-Stick
Kitchen Utensil."

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Message-Id: <s382d0ad.077@ic.si.edu>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 10:39:10 -0400
From: Beth Wojiski <WOJISBE@ic.si.edu>
Subject: moms who like XTC

I enjoyed reading  the post by "james dupuy" about his
breakthrough with his mom....I had a similar one with my mom
back when Nonsvch came out.     I had just bought my first cd
player (and Nonsvch was my first cd) and blared it every evening
after work, and when "Rook" came on, she came barging into my
room wondering who wrote those wonderful chords.   Before you
knew it she was hanging out with me in my room, she with her
6-string acoustic guitar and me with my bass, and we're figuring
out XTC songs quicker than you can say "XTC", and it was a really
special bonding time for us!    Ever since then, I have introduced
mom to many other bands, including the Smiths (she loves
Johnny Marr's guitar work), but on any mix tape I make her, it has
to include some XTC or she's not happy.    <grin>

Just had to share this happy experience!!!

Beth :-)
PS - I'm now 25 and my mom' s 47, so, we're really  not *that* far
apart in age, which is probably why we can love the same music.

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From: Martin_Monkman@fincc04.fin.gov.bc.ca
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 08:21:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: rock reads
Message-id: <9704218642.AA864228016@FINSMTP1.FIN.GOV.BC.CA>

Jon tells us about "Paperback Writer" (the book, not the song) and
goes on to say:

>More current reading includes the Concert by Ismail Kadere and Dom Casmurro
>by Machado d'Assis. I can't think of many good recent rock reads ; any
>thoughts ?

I've got a couple of recommendations:

1. Gerald Early "One Nation Under A Groove".  This is a sociologist's
view of Motown ... a fascinating analysis of the most successful of
the black labels.

2. Greil Marcus "Mystery Train".  I just re-read this ... and it's
even better the 2nd time through.  Marcus looks at the careers and
music of Harmonica Frank, Robert Johnson (Andy had the Johnson boxset
playing when Peter of Microsoft was visiting), The Band, Sly Stone,
Randy Newman, and Elvis Presley.  The Presley chapter is the highlight
of the book, and perhaps the single greatest piece of analysis of
Presley ever penned.  "Mystery Train" was written in 1975, but later
editions (I own the 3rd) have updates.  Marcus has also published a
collection of essays written after Presley's death called "Dead Elvis"
that is altogether intriguing.

Can anybody else suggest any other rock books?

Martin

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Message-Id: <s382e254.016@elsevier.com>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 11:53:43 -0400
From: Ralph DeMarco <r.demarco@elsevier.com>
Subject: Sir Paul & Jeff Lynn

Dear One Armed Bandits and Affiliated Members:

Re: Jeff Lynn (a.k.a. The Antilennon)

I must agree with Stormy Monday when he commented on the new
McCartney singles he heard recently:
>The songs are good, but I still think the sound of the records is marred
>by the production values of The Antilennon.

I couldn't agree more if I had an electrified agreeing machine.  Jeff Lynn
is the most soul destroying producer I've ever heard.  He could make Ray
Charles sound like Milli Vanilli.  Everything this guy touches turns to
cheese!   He ruined the Traveling Willburys (which should have been a
great collaboration project)  he ruined that George Harrison album "Cloud
Nine", he ruined those "new" Beatles songs and made them sound like
the Traveling Willburys.  And now, continuing in the tradition, Sir Paul
McCartney's best work since "Tug of War" is greatly diminished by
Lynn's "production values".

Jeff Lynn creates the same drum sound on every track he produces!  He
makes the live drums sound like a damn drum machine programmed to
sound live!  He tries to get a "ambient" sound but ends up making most
songs very sterile and contrived.  The irony is that, according to Lennon,
it was a good thing the Beatles broke up when they did or else they
would have ended up sounding something like ELO.

Now I'm certainly not saying that slick production equals bad results.
Their are so many great artists who know what sound works for them.
McCartney should have picked someone like Daniel Lanois who knows
how to achieve a perfect balance between slickness and warmth (good
example is Dylan's "Oh Mercy" album).  Other poducers who can create
a good balance are George Martin, Todd Rundgren, Phil Spector, Brian
Eno and the list goes on.

Jeff Lynn and XTC - may they never meet.

Ralphie

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Message-Id: <s382e629.025@ic.si.edu>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 12:10:46 -0400
From: Beth Wojiski <WOJISBE@ic.si.edu>
Subject: fave album vs fave songs

In Chalkhills 3-116, David Pardue wrote:

"Anyone else have a similar dilemma?  Is there an XTC album for
you which has a lot of great songs, but it still isn't your favorite
album?"

--Well, yes, actually, I do.   I would classify English Settlement as
my favorite album, tho' most of my favorite songs are on other
albums (namely Mummer, Drums & Wires, and Black Sea).   I
don't know why this is...perhaps it has something to do with how
an album runs from start to finish overall, leaving you with a
impression of it's wholeness instead of it's bits-n-bobs.   I
dunno....anyway, that's my two-cents.   I'll be interested to hear of
other people's experiences with this.

cheers!
Beth

PS - These are terribly bad, cheesy, and sick, but, here goes (and
I apologize if any of these were done before):  "Pink Lemonade
Thing", "Officer Blue Raspberry", "This is Pop-sicle",
"Sno-cone-Man", "Down in the Choc-late".....[somebody stop me,
before I get worse.......]  :-D

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Message-ID: <338335A1.4E02@ns1.mindmagic.com>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 12:49:27 -0500
From: Brian Matthews <btm@ns1.mindmagic.com>
Organization: Ringling Multimedia Corporation
Subject: MIDI, dummy, PC, COD, whoopee, Prarie & Liberty

Head For The Hills! (if you're lucky...)
OK, now, I'm starting to find an audience out there for this XTC MIDI
issue. More is welcome, however. This next bit of information will no
doubt cause some stir: I have a pretty good version of "Melt The Guns"
ready to go, but I need to do just a little more work on it before it
sees the light at the end the 5-pin DIN cable. Look for it very soon on
the Chalkhills website (I presume that I have permission to say/do
that).
One of the posters who contacted me suggested that there are a lot of
musicians subscribing, and my question is... where are you guys & gals?
Everyone on Chalkhills is so overwrought about the lack of new music
from the lads in Swindon that I would have thought that someone out
there would have created a few more MIDI's of XTC tunes than there are,
if only as an outlet for their frustration. Perhaps I equate being a
musician with having access to the latest hardware/software (I mean, why
not?), as I do, and that is probably unfair. But stuff gets cheaper all
the time, and this world community that we all are Calvin-&-Hobbesing
downhill towards is going to be built on everybody being able to put
their two-cents worth in, and for you musicians that means MIDI/audio &
the Internet. Don't get left out of the fun!

Did anyone else receive e-mail from Dummyhead Girl in Mexico? I did, and
she (Tatiana, BTW) told me that she had already unsubscribed and had
never heard XTC do XTC ("The Ballad Of Peter Pumpkinhead"), only CTD's
version (ar-ar-ar!). I beamed back that she ought to give XTC a chance.
Maybe we'll have a convert (HA! kids...).

I have a penchant for saying controversial things... Who the hell gives
a damn if Dave is gay? What is the difference (besides Chalkhills
post-fodder)? Don't get me wrong... I wouldn't go out of my way to turn
a barstool upside-down for a barbershop quartet of 'em, but everybody's
got at least some small vice(s). Let me see some guiter tabs/chord
charts for XTC music, for crying out loud. That's news I can use.

Someone from the group here is supposed to send me a copy of the demos.
I hope it comes soon.

BTW, I don't think there is an XTC song that isn't good... just
different music for different moods.

For the lovers: it's your wedding, they'd better damned well play what
you want (right, Bob?) Good luck to you, Karl (it's nearly Africa).

Has anyone out there heard the most recent Tubes album ('Genius Of
America')? What did you think?

Matt: Fire that MIDI of "Statue Of Liberty" my way, will ya?

OK, Hillers, its time to blast.
Someday I'd love to know the whole history of the notorious Amanda.
-Brian

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From: gopack@postoffice.worldnet.att.net
Subject: Questions, comments, dreams, etc.
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 18:04:51 +0000
Message-ID: <19970521180445.AAA9333@CTX>

Does anybody know who did the voice of Ella Guru in the song of the same
name?  I really enjoy XTC's cover, and I am very curious as to who sings it.
I can tell that Andy does the lead, but the background voices are somewhat
of a mystery.  Also, I have somehow missed the release date of "Uppsy
Daisy."  Does anybody know when it will be appearing at the local Best Buy?

As to the recent threads concerning drugs, CTD, Amanda, Dave's sexual
preference, and the like - excellent! It is this fascinating lively debate
that has kept me a member of Chalkhills for damn near three years.  When
things get boring, many people start to lose interest in the postings, thus
the overall quality of the netgroup tends to drop.

Finally, I had a fascinating dream two nights ago that is still very much in
my memory.  My wife, a friend from college, and myself were at the Music
Hall (Cleveland) for a twin bill concert featuring Devo and XTC. My friend
(who in the real world is incredably disorganized) lost his ticket, and by
the time we found it we had missed all of the Devo show except for the last
song, which I didn't recognize.  Then after waiting for about 2 hrs. for XTC
to come out, the curtain rose, and out stepped Malcolm MacLaren (sp?).

I turned to my wife and told her that Malcolm was XTC's new manager and had
produced their new album.  (Actually, this is more of a nightmare than a
dream!)  Malcolm walked to the microphone and told the audience that XTC
couldn't preform because Sid the bass player had died.  As people started to
leave the arena, I started yelling that he was lying, that XTC's bass player
was named Colin, and to stay and demand the band play.

That was the end.  Maybe I need to quit drinking so much coffee in the
evenings.

Matt

"If you think there's a solution, you're automatically part of the problem."
- George Carlin

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Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AETNA%l=HFD-EXCH003-970521205547Z-156295@aetna.aetna.com>
From: "Witter, Karl F" <WitterKF@aetna.com>
Subject: A lot of Brass
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 16:55:47 -0400

>>[Harrison Sherwood] Amanda, Dave Gregory is as gay as a French
>>trombone. I'm really surprised nobody's told you this.

>[Stormy Monday]I needed to think about this one for awhile. Dave's
>sexual preference is his business, unless he makes an issue of it.
>Can anyone honestly say that this shy artist deserves comments
>like the above, even if spoken in jest? (my snipping)

I don't know, I thought Harrison was just yanking Amanda's ears in
a farcical manner. Rather than insulting or speculating on Dave's
preference I saw right off he was playing with Amanda's admiration
for Greggsy. Is this familiar: You're with relatives & acquaintances
who have a bottomless well of mean-spirited, labored and unfunny
jokes about gay men (blacks, Hispanics...). Been there, done that,
was ostracized for "ruining everyone's fun" while wondering how I
could be related to these idiots, so I know where you're coming
from, Stormy. Well, Harrison's post didn't get my blood up, but the
deadpan vocal delivery didn't make it completely into print.

>[Harrison] My confident assertion that he is, er, left of center,
>was a deliberate and tasteless provocation.

I'm not just agreeing with Althea because she's a brass player,
but "gay as a French horn" is what I've heard. However, I'd never
heard "left of center", but as a left-handed left-winger, I'm
curious where that came from. E-mail me direct w/answer.

>[Richard Pedretti-Allen] Follow these rules implicitly.

Implicitly? We'll have to wonder what you mean by that, unless
you imply "explicitly" :-).

Martin Monkman knows far too much about record labels! Perhaps a
little chart would help the rest of us understand; my head's
still spinning.

My mind's on the blink,
Karl

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From: PAUL FERGUSON <p.ferguson1@lancaster.ac.uk>
Message-Id: <199705212157.WAA00710@unixa.lancs.ac.uk>
Subject: Chalkhills and children guitar TAB
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 22:57:41 +0100 (BST)

I've put my neck on the chopping block and transcribed guitar TAB for
Chalkhills and children - you can find it in the chalkhills chord
archive. If anyone wants to tell me it's OK, or if I've ballsed it up
completely, please mail me. Cheers,
					Paul.

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