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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 3, Number 104

                  Friday, 25 April 1997

Today's Topics:

                Which is it Dave or Andy?
               LE news from June & Peter!!
                Close But No Cigar Pt. 384
                  Questions for AnDy...
                  Upsy Daisy track list
             Emptiness lies through the glass
  Ben Folds this Grammy into the Posies w/XTC engineers
          re: Upsy Daisy Assortment compilation
                  What's going on here??
                           POP
                   What a listless vid!
                 Georgian's un-lurking...
                        The Skids
                    AP demo WAV files
                         Erratum
                   Re: Kinks & T.Heads
                         Dear God
                various and sundry things
               Chalk Horse(?) of Uffington
                      Seven Worthies
                Dave Marsh The Loving ...
                   Green Man in a Dress
                   Re: Rants & Raves 3
                 First 'Chalkhills' post.

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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 97 15:02:32 CDT
Message-ID: <vines.pL06+4QWLnA@bangate.compaq.com>
From: "james dupuy" <James=Dupuy%SPD=Mainstream%Sys=Hou@bangate.compaq.com>
Subject: Which is it Dave or Andy?

>"On and on and on.  On and on and on" (name that tune)

One of my favorite XTC songs! (at this point in time) "Across This Antheap"
Does Dave play the guitars on the main part (not the bridge) or is it Andy
(it sounds rAndy to me).
I love the tick-tock-tick-tock percussion which reinforces the On and on and
on.

Thanks kids for the responses. It sounds like XTC's music is ageless.

As for the

>This is not just a modern phenomena (listening to the current "big thing," I
mean.)

What can I say, my cheeks are ablaze.

The point I was getting at, Do people initially get into XTC because they are
tired of the current "big thing," (which I was in 79). For example Gerardo's
"I wanted to listen to music, but a lot of the music I listen to is
alternative and I really didn't want to listen to it. I started listening to
Nonsuch..."
I was also wondering if XTC's popularity among the young was the start of a
new trend in musical taste (XTC a new big pink thing?). But if you are a
minority,
as I was in high school, then it's probably just the "clever lyrics and
infectious pop melodies" that has lured the "bored to distraction" with
the popular music scene into the Chalkhills zone. (Humm, Chalkhills, Gooood!)
To me XTC is as good if not better than the Beetles and I really wish they
could reap more of the commercial success that they deserve.( but then would
they become the commercial stuff that I try to get a break from when I listen
to XTC now? Not with those lyrics and music.) (sniff, sniff I'll go have a
tear in my ESB later)

By the way, what do Chalkhillians think of the Clash/Big Audio Dynamite? I
agree they are not the caliber of XTC and others listed here but ...?

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Message-ID: <335EB73D.4078@3rddoor.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 18:28:29 -0700
From: Daniel Ray Phipps <phipps@3rddoor.com>
Subject: LE news from June & Peter!!

Hey all! --

Just received a letter today from the elusive June
and Peter of LE fame in Canada!  They sent me a
rather informative news "phamphlet" re: our boys!
A bit of old, a bit of (somewhat) new, but it's
XTC news nonetheless, so dig some of it:

<quote>

Apologies for the long delay between LE issues --
hopefully you rec'd the letter and card we sent
at Christmas?  We spoke to Colin in February and
he felt the band were very close to signing a
deal with Setanta / Go Discs! in the UK.  At the
time, Dave & their mgr. were shopping for a US
deal.  We plan to phone Colin or Dave next week
to get the very latest details & then LE #41 will
be printed FOR SURE!...Patrick Bourcier provides
a scoop -- While in Paris in Sept. to promote
"Fossil Fuel", Andy said ("He was serious!") that
he would come back on the scene and play live!  But
one condition, and not the least, he wants to play
on a truck, an open truck.  Play live while driving
in the street!  Hope it'll be true!...Another music-
ian who admits that he's almost elevated Andy Part-
ridge to God-like status is Verve Pipe drummer Donny
Brown.  Andy visited the band at their studio while
they were recording their album "Villians."  He was
brought to the studio just to say "Hi."  "It was one
of those situations where I was dumbfounded.  Once
we finished freaking out, we played him a few songs
which he said he liked.  I was going to ask him if
he needed a drummer, but, given the circumstances,
that wasn't really appropriate"...Super fan / musician
Becki Di---had the good fortune of not only having Dave
and Andy listen to a few of her songs that she was
preparing for her album, but happily finding that
they enjoyed them so much that her offer to do "a li-
tle something" (a keyboard here, a guitar solo there),
was taken up, and a fan's ultimate dream came true...
Spotted in Germany: a tour poster for Cleaners From
Venus presenting Dave as "ex-XTC."  Andy was labelled
similarly by the Toronto paper, eye, in a Nov. piece
on the Heads' project...Andy likes "Virtual Insanity",
the Jamiroquai single...Matt Mahaffey of Tennessee
band Self told The Houston Press that of all the com-
parisons that are made to his band, he holds the most
reverence for the XTC ones.  "It's amazing.  I never
thought I would ever be able to associate myself with
anything Andy Partridge ever did," says Mahaffey...Mike
Foster is pretty close to putting the finshing touches
to a UK XTC convention.  Basingstoke, 50 miles South-
West of London, will be the "Meeting Place."  Mike has
worked hard at securing a great venue, and ads in pro-
minent rock / pop magazines Mojo and Q should garner a
good turnout.  Videos, trading posts, XTC quizzes and
an opportunity for fans to perform XTC songs are in the
line-up.  Mike also hopes to have a "special guest" or
two...More than 30 demos are ready, so two albums are
planned, in different directions.  Some collaborations
are foreseen, with Harold Budd again, (and) Baby Bird,
who sent Andy about 40 demos.  And some songs have been
written with Chris Difford of Squeeze...

<end quote>

So, as I said, some old news, some more recent, but it's
XTC news and that's what counts!  I think it's really won-
derful to know that this band is still being mentioned
either indirectly or directly in music-news circles!  They
simply will NOT go away (thank God!!!).

Long live XTC, ya'll!!!

Peace,

/Dan <phipps#3rddoor.com>

* ----------------------------------------
"Nothing happens the same way twice."
(Peter Blegvad)
* ----------------------------------------

Dan's XTC quote of the day:  "I fell down to the bottom
of the sky."  (AP)
Currently playing in Dan's CD player:  "Sheryl Crow"
(2nd album)  Damn!  This thing's GOOD!!!
Dan's all-time favorite XTC album:  "English Settlement"
(closely followed by "Mummer"...)

Bye!! :-)

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Message-Id: <199704232237.AAA22129@utrecht.knoware.nl>
From: "Mark Strijbos" <mmello@knoware.nl>
Organization: The Little Lighthouse
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 23:43:30 +0000
Subject: Close But No Cigar Pt. 384

Dear Chalkies,

I was surfing around the Web the other night and much to my
horror I discovered a site where they are selling the AB-XTC !!!
The "latest in fitness equipment - as seen on TV"
If you are masochistic check out the thing yourself at:

	http://www.globalaffairs.com/ab/

After this I was not really surprised to find a British Hifi magazine
with a review of a new range of top-class (pre)amps, tuners et al
This stuff is marketed with the name XTC.
Very nice gear, but hideously expensive, I'm afraid...
The power amp alone costs a mere 2000 Pounds :(

How can these companies (there are more examples) get away with this?
Isn't the name "XTC" somehow protected by copyright?
After all, the name of a band is part of their "work of art", isn't
it?
Any lawyers or music biz bobo's who can explain this out there ?

in ecstasy,

Mark Strijbos at The Little Lighthouse
   http://utopia.knoware.nl/~mmello

===> Mark's Random XTC Quote <===
All of the riches that shine will turn sour

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Message-ID: <335E6D99.2BFE@negia.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 20:14:16 +0000
From: JoE Silva <silva@negia.net>
Subject: Questions for AnDy...

I've got a chat with Andy set for some time next week,
and I always like to poll the list for any questions
anyone might have for Sir Andrew. Principal topic is,
of course, Upsy Daisy, but anything is welcome. Thanks
for the help...

JoE
-----------------
JoE Silva
Senior Contributor
Consumable Online
http://www.westnet.com/consumable/Consumable.html

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From: lizneil@netcom.ca
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 21:49:21 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id: <19974231848846334@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Upsy Daisy track list

>From Addicted to Noise's Music News of the World (I think we can take the
last paragraph with a grain of salt)...

Talk about your untenable situations. Not only have XTC been unable to tour
for over a decade due to singer/songwriter Andy Partridge's crippling stage
fright, but they've also been barred from releasing any new material since
1992's "Nonsuch" due to a protracted contractual battle with their
international label, Virgin Records.

So, as a sort of stop-gap peace offering to fans, their U.S. label, Geffen,
is releasing a 19-track greatest-hits compilation called "Upsy Daisy
Assortment (The Sweetest Hits)" on June 3.

The album contains all the classic oddball anthems you'd expect: "Life
Begins at the Hop," "Making Plans for Nigel," "Generals & Majors," "Senses
Working Overtime," "Grass," "Dear God," "Earn Enough for Us," "The Mayor Of
Simpleton," and "The Ballad of Peter Pumpkinhead," plus some less
radio-friendly fodder, like: ""Respectable Street," "Ball and Chain," "No
Thugs in Our House," "Love on a Farmboy's Wages," "This World Over,"
"Seagulls Screaming Kiss Her, Kiss Her..." and "Chalkhills and Children."
Other songs on the collection include: "Funk Pop A Roll," "King for a Day"
and "The Disappointed."

According to a source at Geffen, the band has recently freed itself from
their Virgin contract and are in negotiations with a number of labels to
release the multiple albums they recorded during the limbo years.

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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 00:08:08 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id: <199704240408.AAA23500@cyber1.servtech.com>
From: Joshua Hall-Bachner <particle@servtech.com>
Subject: Emptiness lies through the glass

>>dripping with hip
>
>That should be an album title.  May I, Josh?

Steal away, my good man. :)

>I later purchased "White Album" and "Go2" on vinyl.

Must... resist... obvious... joke....

>I realized then that they were probably a great band. (pretty
>much like Sarah found out about them)

No, you can blame me for that. :)

>To me the message of the song is pretty sophomoric and obvious,
>something that I observed about Christianity when I was like eleven

Not everyone looks as closely at religion as you or Andy does, though.
(However, despite how controversial it was, Andy has said repeatedly that it
wasn't pointed enough!)

BTW, just a small note regarding two lines from "Toys" -- there is in
reality a gay doll. Going by the name of Billy, his most prominent feature
is that he's... um... all there. (He does *not,* however, have "real life
hair," a la the "Action Man." Seems like a more than fair tradeoff to me...)

Josh
I can hear the passengers scream...
/-------------Joshua Hall-Bachner-------------Chaos Harlequin-------------\
|     particle@servtech.com    http://www.servtech.com/public/particle/   |
|"We all have our idiosyncracies -- maybe thinning hair, or gum disease." |
\---- Kowanko, "Will You Come To?" ------ Thank You, And Goodnight. ------/

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Message-Id: <v03102801af84a2976d62@[209.50.99.43]>
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 02:31:51 -0400
From: arthur james virgin <audio@one.net>
Subject: Ben Folds this Grammy into the Posies w/XTC engineers

Greetings Chalkhillians,

Now unemployed, I've had more time to pour through my recent Chalkhill's
digests.  Let the gleaning begin:

1) The "I hate Ben Folds Five too!" thread (or Natalie's first step):
Its starting to sound like an AA meeting around here when it comes to these
guys.  "Hi, my name is ___, and I hate Ben Folds Five as well".  Though I
cant quite understand anyone NOT liking this band, I must say I appreciate
the comments of those who dont.  I've read everything from "a Muppets scam"
to "Someone told me it was Jellyfish unplugged", to people experiencing
spontaneous nausea upon the mention of these lads.   If someone told you it
was "Jellyfish unplugged", you were terribly misled.  I'd say early Joe
Jackson.  Though I'm not at liberty to discuss Kermit's influence in either
recording.  Once again the diversity of the world is what makes it great
(though the "Spice Girls" give credence to a re-think on that matter).

2) XTC Grammy nomination
I searched all through NARAS and came up empty-handed on info about this
alleged 1993 nomination.  If anyone has any more information on this I'd
greatly appreciate it.

3) Amazing Disgrace indeed
Keith Sawyer commented on the Posie's latest album being aptly titled.
Though not as bright as their instant masterpiece "Frosting on the Beater",
"Amazing.." contains some of Jon and Ken's best songwriting moments.  BTW,
the recording of "Amazing Disgrace" was apparently marred by personality
conflicts with their producer (Nick Launay / ex-XTC engineer).  The Posies
and Nick split whilst the album was 3/4 complete.

4) XTC and Semisonic
Got a letter the other day from Dan Wilson of "Semisonic".  According to
Dan, Nick Launay (see #3) is producing their follow up to their fabulous
"Great Divide" album.  Dan always makes a point of telling me how into XTC
he and his bandmates are, and the choice of Semisonic's producers back that
up (Great Divide produced by Paul Fox/Ed Thacker, follow up by Nick
Launay).  Hopefully things will go smoother in Minneapolis.

My longest post in my 3 years here!
Back to lurk mode,
AJ
audio@one.net

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Message-ID: <31510B652669CF11BA1D00805F38219E020A2B3E@DUB-04-MSG>
From: Peter Fitzpatrick <peterfit@MICROSOFT.com>
Subject: re: Upsy Daisy Assortment compilation
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 02:09:40 -0700

When I met Andy back in March he gave me a long fax roll containing
artwork and font options for this compilation. He also had the packaging
proofs (but I didn't get those....)

The package includes some photo(s) from a recent XTC photosession. (They
look REALLY cool - I seem to recall that Colin is wearing a brilliant
silver coat, but that could be my memory...)

One thing to watch out for is a presentation CD box of the album. The
box is slightly larger than the standard CD jewel case.

>From what I can remember the whole image is one of a selection of
confectionery or chocolates.

An usual selection of songs too - not a singles compilation.

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Message-ID: <335F5C48.55FD@3rddoor.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 06:12:40 -0700
From: Daniel Ray Phipps <phipps@3rddoor.com>
Subject: What's going on here??

What has happened here to Chalkhills?!?

This thing started out as a fan-discussion forum
to talk about the greatest band in the world!  Now
it's been reduced to ethnic jokes (3-103) and some-
thing called "AMANDA-bashing"??  PUH-LEEEESE!

Seriously close here to unsubscribing, 'cos this
thing's slowly but surely turning into a joke!  :-(

Get with the program, people!  If there's no XTC
commentary in your posts for this forum, go to
ANOTHER forum!!

ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!

/Dan <phipps@3rddoor.com>

* ----------------------------------------
"Nothing happens the same way twice."
(Peter Blegvad)
* ----------------------------------------

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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 19:37:56 +0800 (SST)
Message-Id: <199704241137.TAA00834@eastgate.cyberway.com.sg>
From: Kevin M Mathews <mathews@cyberway.com.sg>
Subject: POP

                        Heard that XTC are closer to that deal and even
about going on tour. How true is that? Or is someone jerking my chain.

                        By the way, those of you who may remember that I
mentioned my band The Crowd? Well our album POP is finally out - more info
e-mail pony@pacific.net.sg

                        Cheers, Kevin.

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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 08:37:17 -0500 (CDT)
From: "AMANDA \"louisiana lollipop\" OWENS" <ACOEA@jazz.ucc.uno.edu>
Subject: What a listless vid!
Message-id: <01II2SJ2WXTM8XZEAY@jazz.ucc.uno.edu>

Waiting in anticipation for the vid for King For a Day, I finally get the
tape from a fellow Chalkhillian, and the video is so dull! And (this is my
#1 complaint when it comes to XTC videos) THERE WASN'T ENOUGH DAVE!!!!!!!!
The guy's only the most visually pleasing member of the band, he deserved
more camera time!

And onto a question.....
I was listening to Dave's version of 3rd Stone From the Sun last night (on
high speed dubbing, first time I could make out what Gregsy was saying), and
I was wondering....did Right Said Fred lift the guitar riff from that song
for "I'm Too Sexy"? Sure as hell sounds like it.

Unsubbing-I hate it when there is a message prominently displayed at the
bottom of every posting that says "For info on how to unsub"...and people
still post directly to the damn list and say they want to unsub! This happens
on a daily basis on the CTD list. (I think Mark can agree on this one.)

Ben-Yes, it was the "Never Mind the Mainstream" tape. I remember I begged my
sister to bring it (it's her tape) when she visited us last, and I looked at
the pictures of the band on the inside flap and recalled how when I first
saw the picture I thought "God that guy with the glasses on is fugly!" But I
don't think that about Sir Partridge anymore. (My sister still does. Off
with her head!)

Ciao,
Amanda
XTC song of the day-All I Dream of Is a Friend
non-XTC song of the day-Shadow Dancer-Fiona Apple
Je me souviens du soleil

PS-Kim! I lost your address, for some reason, but I must say, I can't copy
videos as I haven't the facilities to do so. But there are probably some
Chalkers who'd be willing to do it.....

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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 97 09:20:22 EDT
From: Darrell <DRAINEY@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
Subject: Georgian's un-lurking...
Message-Id: <970424.101636.EDT.DRAINEY@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>

Since there has been a Gainesville, GA related post in the last two
digests, I guess its my turn. I've been a lurker on this list for MANY
years but haven't ever posted anything. I live in Athens, GA but grew up
in Gainesville, GA. I'm 38 but still refusing to really believe it.

I first discovered XTC when WUOG, 90.5 FM, put Black Sea into heavy
rotation, which we played in most graphic design classes here at the
Univ of GA. 90.5 is the student run station here on campus. I
immediately ran out and bought all their albums and every release since.

My biggest XTC regret; I chose to go water skiing in North Carolina
rather than staying in town to attend the XTC show at a local club with
rem opening. I justified it saying I'll see them "next time". The
mistakes of a jaded youth! I'll never get over it.

On the subject of rem, I've been a fan since their days as a "punk
band", when Pete Buck was still learning to play on stage. You have to
admire them for becoming such a success all the while doing things
their own way.

One of my all time favorite live shows was the Kinks at the Fox Theatre
in Atlanta in the late 70s. The opening bands were Blondie and Tom
Petty.

I won passes to Ben Folds Five at the GA Theatre a while back. Thank god
I didn't pay and could leave during the second song. My opinion; cheesy
and pretentious. The song that had been played on the radio, I though it
was Billy Joel! I'm also sure I like some bands/music others wouldn't
like as well.

Anyway, I enjoy this list very much.

Darrell RAINEY (drainey@uga.cc.uga.edu)
Univ Comp. & Networking Services / Computer Services Annex
The University of GA / Athens, GA 30602

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From: Stephen Clarke <S.Clarke@maires.co.uk>
Organization: NOP Research
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 13:01:25 +0000
Subject: The Skids
Message-ID: <9704241255.aa09220@itserv.maires.co.uk>

Mark Irvin wrote

> wow!  I was 15 years old, and heard on a compliation album entitled
> "This is New Pop '80" (great compilation!).  Also on this album was
> "Making Plans For Nigel"  Other greats on this early Virgin compliation
> included Magazine, Human League (before the girls), OMD, the Skids, John
> Foxx, the Flying Lizards, and the Ruts.

Well seeing as you mentioned the Skids does anybody know any of the
lyrics to "into the valley" ?.  Myself and my colleagues were
trying to sing it at work today (that's how sad we are) and the only
words we could come up with were the first line "into the valley...".

It does sound like a great album, Mark.

Appologies for the lack of XTC content and hope see some of you at
Basingstoke.

Steve.

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Message-ID: <335F9976.6ED9@netwalk.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 10:33:42 -0700
From: Ian C Stewart <stewart@netwalk.com>
Subject: AP demo WAV files

Hey

There are still four insultingly terrible sounding WAV files of 1995
Andy Partridge demos available for your imminent (sort of..same day
anyway) downloading.  Sorry Mac people, maybe next time (next time?  who
said there'd be a next time?) they'll be in Real Audio or something...
Check them out now because in a week or so the whole AUTOreverse site
will be burned to the ground to make way for a new AUTOreverse site.
http://www.netwalk.com/~stewart/xtc.htm

Re: Swindon
It's not totally true that I didn't do my homework.  And the bottom
line, you may or may not recall, was that I love Swindon to the degree
that I considered relocating there for a long time... I swear we were in
the Acton Barnes Suite!  Photographic evidence and everything!  Maybe
the hotel made some typos or something?  As far as cities being
scenic... I'd just spent the weekend in Norwich, which has a pretty city
centre.

Peter Fitzpatrick!  I cannot wait to hear what Andy Partridge said about
SKYLACKING.  Please end this anticipatory suffering soon!!!  As soon as
you're allowed, I mean.  On the SKYLACKING tip, I missed Chalkie/Lackie
Keith Hanlon's rather stunning band NORTONS ORCHESTRAVILLE's gig last
night in Columbus.  I'm not pleased.  Also the next AUTOreverse will
feature an interview with Franco Turra, who's done some of the most
amazing (truly, ask anybody) XTC covers ever.  The guy has a lot to say
and he talks about XTC a lot.  So.. sit tight.  And check my site,
biaaaiaiaaaaaiaaaaiaiaiaiaaaaiaaiaaaaiaaaaiaaiaiaiaaaaaiiiaaaaaaaaaatch.

Ian
"shut up and give me what I want" -Mark Eitzel, Toiling Midgets

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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 10:55:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Natalie Jane Jacobs <gnat@umich.edu>
Subject: Erratum
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970424102902.16002A-100000@frogger.rs.itd.umich.edu>

OK, OK, I don't *hate* the Ben Folds Five, I *strongly dislike* them. :)
I *strongly dislike* Jellyfish as well, but I don't think they sound much
alike... except for their tendency to make me leap desperately for the
"off" switch whenever I hear them.  That sort of cutesy, "cloying"
(perfect word!), oh-so-clever stuff was made for stronger stomachs than
mine, I'm afraid.... reminiscent of XTC, yes, but XTC at their absolute
worst.  Anyway, it's cheering to know that I'm not alone.

Oh, and I can shout about "Ladybird" as much as I like, so there!  :p

Natalie Jacobs
Perdix: The Andy Partridge Appreciation Page
A chubby bespectacled man and his music
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~gnat/perdix.html

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From: kekkone@sci.fi
Message-ID: <33600C38.911@sci.fi>
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 18:43:20 -0700
Subject: Re: Kinks & T.Heads

Jason Garcia wrote:

> > Have you noticed that "Wonderland" on Mummer is about as Talking
> >Heads as you can get?
> Really?!  What Talking Heads have you been listening to?

My head was talking about the early TH, the first two albums to be more
specific.  "Wonderland" would fit in well with the mellower, non-neurotic
bits on these LPs.  Most of all, I think it's the high-pitch melody that
immediately struck me as Byrnesque. If you still think I'm imagining things,
check out "The Good Thing" on "More Songs about Buildings and Food" (1978)!

Harrison Sherwood wrote:
> Also, couldn't you hear "Victoria" on Black Sea? Sister song to "Towers of
> London," maybe?

OK, you got me there. I'll rephrase my idea: The Beatles and the Beach
Boys are all over in XTC's music, in-your-face really. You have to dig a
bit deeper to find the Kinks, but they're there allright.

> (HYVAA SUOMI!!)
Heyy, that's nice! Never imagined I would see *that* on this list...
You've got Finnish friends or what? :-)

kekkone

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Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970424164637.0069ce98@popmail.dircon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 17:46:37 +0100
From: Simon <nonsuch@dircon.co.uk>
Subject: Dear God

From: The Gottschalks <gotts@tenet.edu> about "Dear God"

>To me the message of
>the song is pretty sophomoric and obvious, something that I observed about
>Christianity when I was like eleven.

According to what I've read this is precisely why Andy wanted a kid's voice
to book-end the song.  Basically the presentation implies that these are the
thoughts that first occured to him as a kid and now that he's been out in
the world, studied history, seen current affairs unfolding on the TV and in
the press, nothing he has seen or learned has swayed him from his intial
confusion.  Even Andy, though, admits he failed in his aim with that song,
and some of the lyrics _are_ below par, "don't mean a big reduction in the
price of beer", for example.  Maybe the return to the child's voice at the
end of this track is an admission that the view expressed _is_ very childike
(especially the 'tantrum' where Andy, in the video, attacks the tree with
hammers), although it could almost equally be taken to imply even children
can see through the hipocrisies of organised religion.

If you want a song that's pretty persuasive in the other direction, try
"That's Why I Believe" from the Truth and Beauty album by Ian McNabb.

As a tiny foot-note, berating the lack of sensitivity to intelligent art
forms in a music writer and then rounding off the post with a joke that
manages to mix racist sensiblites and spousal-abuse is, perhaps, asking for
trouble...

>From 'ol Stormy hisself

>I can love a song, and apparently tell you why I do, and yet you may
>present another song to me that possesses all of the attributes of the
>first song, and yet I might hate it. Who knows why?

An excellent and enjoyable post all round there Stormy.  Some very good
points very well made.  You may choose _any_ biscuit from this plate.

Simon

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From: "KIMBERLY MARTIN" <KMAR0971@Mercury.GC.PeachNet.EDU>
Organization: Gainesville College in Oakwood, GA
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 13:37:27 EST5EDT
Subject: various and sundry things
Message-ID: <5738525F23@Mercury.GC.PeachNet.EDU>

Hello Chalkies!!
I only joined this list a week ago and I love it BEAUCOUP already!
THis is just going to be a miscellaneous commentary on some things I
have read in the list...I can definitley see how many XTC fans could
like the BFF, at least as far as "quirkiness" is concerned (of
course, we all know that XTC is not "just" a quirky band).  I do like
the BFF, but if they disbanded tomorrow I wouldn't be shedding many
tears; of course, I've never seen them live either.  Whoever was
comparing (or denying that comparison) them to Jellyfish--I
definitely see this...when I got the BFF CD, I listened to it and
liked it, but something about it reminded me of Jellyfish and made me
want to LISTEN to Jellyfish, so I took out the BFF and put in
Jellyfish instead.  So I guess that may put them in proper
perspective??  Since I'm on the subject of bands besides XTC, does
anyone out there like the Swamp Zombies??  I think that this band's
status is currently "semi-retired"; they haven't had an album out
since '93.  But I friggin' LOVE this band and had the opportunity to
talk to them on the phone once (courtesy of their record label, Dr.
Dream) and print up the interview in the fanzine I used to do,
"Sanity Sux".  I used to do lotsa pro-XTC and TMBG reviews too, but
needless to say, no interviews...I've been reading a lot about Moxy
Fruvous lately and have wanted to get something of theirs; even
though the US is right next to Canada, it seems that it takes a lot
of CAnadian bands a lot longer than British bands to be heard or make
it "big" over here, but in the case of the CRash Test Dummies or
Barenaked Ladies, it should've taken a LOT longer (yuk!!).  Oh yeah,
I really like BLUR a lot, I had the opportunity to see them live in
Atlanta about a month ago, it was one of the best shows I have ever
been to...
If someone could hook me up with an ANdy Partridge interview I'd be
more than happy to start publishing my fanzine again  :)
(ahhhh, pipe dreams!!!)
Please write me!
love,
THE VANISHING GIRL
(kim)

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Message-ID: <335FD5DF.1BA4@seark.net>
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 14:51:27 -0700
From: Douglas Hardin <douglas@seark.net>
Organization: Fairfield Trucking, Inc.
Subject: Chalk Horse(?) of Uffington

Dear Fellow Chalkies,

Have been on the list for only a couple of weeks but I love it. Lots of
great fans, young and old. I am 40. Have been a fan since the "Times
Square" soundtrack (Grinding Halt) and English Settlement was my first
XTC LP. They make the best music around and are worth waiting for.

I may have to put on my asbestos suit from the subsequent flames but
feel I must bring this up. My girlfriend is a big XTC fan and a new age
type. She was reading a book "The Sun and the Serpent" by Paul
Broadhurst and Hamish Miller about the ley (electromagnetic)lines in
England and they believe that the chalk horse is actually a dragon. The
dragon was the symbol of the ley lines that runs through many of the
churchs in England and there is a Dragon Hill nearby where it is
believed that St. George killed a dragon. This may all just be new age
theory but who knows. Andy was right when he said the chalk horse was
just an Iron Age advertisment. It does date back to the Iron Age. If
this has arleady been hashed out in earlier Digests then forgive me.
Just thought its would be of interest.

Please don't heed my shout I'm relax in the undertow,

Doug

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Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970424192002.00687770@popmail.dircon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 20:20:02 +0100
From: Simon <nonsuch@dircon.co.uk>
Subject: Seven Worthies

Hi gang,

I just got home tonight to find a shiny copy of Becki diGregorio's CD "Seven
Worthies...Of The Bamboo Grove" waiting for me.

What can I tell you about it?  I won't muddy the water by trying to compare
it to other artists, but I will say that it _is_ a wonderful disc, and those
who have ordered it will not be disappointed (oo-oo-oo-oo-oooo).

I'd place it up there with Bob Mould's "Workbook" and Vic Chesnutt's "Is The
Actor Happy?", and anyone who has ever shared a car with me can testify to
my encompassing love of those albums.  People in my immediate aquaintance
are going to have this album played to them in seriously heavy rotation.

Dave Gregory's contributions are of the best sort - they don't shout "here's
the Dave Gregory bit!", they add to the already excellent work by becoming
_part_ of it.  He truly does _contribute_, and it sounds as if he's had a
lot of fun with some of it.

Becki, you wonder, I am in awe,

Simon
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Message-ID: <01BC50CF.A2D4F910@port-29-10.access.one.net>
From: Tony Nowikowski <tonynow@one.net>
Subject: Dave Marsh The Loving ...
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 16:50:31 -0400

(Effectively folding two ongoing topics into one enigmatic Subject: line ...
8*)

1)
From:	Ralph DeMarco <r.demarco@elsevier.com>
Dave Marsh has been writing about rock music for decades and my impression
seems to be that Marsh's concept of a perfect rock band, against whom all
are judged, is Led Zeppelin.

Hmmm ... I would've said that The Who ("Tommy" / "Who's Next"-era
especially) was the standard by which Marsh measured other bands.  (And not
to throw in a plug for him, but if there's any Who fans out there how
haven't read his book, "Before I Get Old" ... it is a VERY complete,
well-written history.)  His weakness, as I see it, is for the anthemic
statement (thus Pete Townshend, arguably one of the smarter guys in rock
history, but one who could transcend and go for the heart/balls/jugular.)
Marsh's faves also include guys like Bob Seger, John Fogerty/CCR,
Springsteen ... anyone see a pattern here?  And unfortunately pop music,
(especially as practiced by Messrs. Partridge, Moulding, and Gregory,) while
being intelligent, witty, beautifully melodic, and DEFINITELY filled with
emotional content, does not, by its very nature, contain enough BIG SWEEPING
GESTURES to please the Dave Marshes (Daves Marsh?) of the world, and so it
gets written off as being too cerebral.
(But hey, just means more XTC for those of us who UNDERSTAND!)

2) Waybackwhen, our dear AMANDA asked,
>Okay, not actually a mishearing, but a question.....in the ending part of
>"The Loving", when there are about six different thigs being sung, what the
>heck is (Colin, I think) saying? Sounds like "strange trip"

I always heard it as "straight to ya"

And for those of you collecting them statistics on us Chalkhillicious types,
put me down in the "33-year-old single European-American heterosexual male"
category ...

Toodles,
tony

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From: J_ARTECONA@rcmad.upr.clu.edu
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 18:23:42 -0400
Message-Id: <970424182342.2141e058@rcmad.upr.clu.edu>
Subject: Green Man in a Dress

Hey there chalkhillians,

I am 37. I love Mummer. I think Ben Folds 5 are ok once I get past
their chipmunkish sounding vocal harmonies. Finally heard the new
demos, think they are great and that if we dress up the green man in a
fancy video and do something about that unusually long tail we just
may have a HIT on our hands (it'll probably never happen). This list
is great although too much time is spent on petty things. Extremism in
the defense of XTC is no vice.

Pancho the puertorican XTC fan who does not have the guts to perform
an interpretative dance version of Funk Pop a Roll for his school's
talent show.

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Message-Id: <199704242320.QAA20520@gryphon.com>
From: "William Wisner" <wisner@gryphon.com>
Subject: Re: Rants & Raves 3
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 16:16:03 -0700

> Remember, Marsh has been writing for Rolling Stone for ages and that
> magazine went from a newsprint format (with occasional hard-hitting
> political journalism)  to a slick, corporate music industry teenie-bopper
> rag.

When's the last time you read Rolling Stone?  They may be slick and
corporate, but the thing that keeps me reading is that they do frequently
run good political and social journalism.

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Message-ID: <335FC459.3B11@prodigy.net>
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 20:36:41 +0000
From: dke <dke@prodigy.net>
Organization: Prodigy Internet
Subject: First 'Chalkhills' post.

Hi there! My name is Doug Ellison and I'm thrilled to find that there
are so many other XTC fans out there. I was first exposed to XTC around
1980, when I was at a friends house. The video for "Making Plans For
Nigel" appeared on the TV. I was hooked immediately. (Which is lucky for
me, since with many of their songs, it's not until the second or third
listen that I fall madly in Love with them.) I have never seen the video
since then. I have vague memories of Andy (I think) manically
dismembering a fake guitar. I live in Ft Lauderdale, Florida so if
there's anyone nearby please let me know. (As far as I know, I'm the
only XTC fan down here.) I am extremely new to the net/web, so if I do
or say anything really stupid, someone please let me know. (From what
I've observed of the group so far, that was probably a redundant
request.) Thank you all for existing!   --Doug

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