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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 2, Number 64

                 Monday, 5 February 1996

Today's Topics:

                     Barf Folds Five
                       Black Grape
                          Drugs
                          (none)
               Re: Chalkhills Digest #2-63
          Should I check out Blur live??? Quick!
                   Meeting place lyrics
                     Aimee minus Dave
                   Meeting Place Lyrics
                       the blue up?
                       Dishwashers
            Calling L'Affaire Louis Trio fans
                          Covers
                     T-Shirts Update
                Living In A Haunted Heart
                       Yazbek Reply
                   2 Daves and a Martin
               Re: Chalkhills Digest #2-63
                      new and trade
                     Wrapped in Grey
               RE: Chalkhills Digest #2-63
              Chalkhills #2-63/Picture discs
                 Is Geffen getting nice?

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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 96 16:34:23 EST
From: patty@gdb.org (Patty Haley)
Subject: Barf Folds Five

O.K., I had seen this band mentioned before, and I held my tongue, but
knew that any further posts would drive me over the edge.  And here we
go (warning--keep your sense of humor intact while reading, or go out
and buy one beforehand, otherwise the intent of this will do you no good).

>From Melissa Reaves:
3)  A couple of my favorite purchases of 1995 were _Finn_ and _Ben Folds
Five_

>From James Robert Campbell:
Just picked up an album by a group called Ben Folds Five (self-titled
album).  *VERY* Jellyfish-ish for those interested.  The current
track on the radio called 'Underground' would make you swear
that Andy Sturmer or Roger Manning was in the band, but there was
no connection evident in the CD liner.

At least I *finally* found an album I could sink my teeth
into as we await the next bone tossed our way by our
favorite lads!!  8^)  I definitely recommend it!

>From Scott Taylor:
And while you're waiting for them to come to a venue near you, track down
the Ben Folds Five.  They're as near to Jellyfish as anyone I've heard yet
(and I'm going to drive 50 miles through sub-zero weather to see them
tomorrow night -- I won't repeat the "why bother going out to see Jellyfish
tonight? They'll be back around again in six months" mistake I made two and
a half years ago.).  I've seen BF5 mentioned here occasionally, but I can't
believe their debut CD didn't make ANYBODY'S 1995 top-ten list.  It's right
atop mine.

ENOUGH! I cry.  ENOUGH!  To hear the Barf Folds Five mentioned in the same
list as the magnificent XTC and the super-groovy Jellyfish is bad enough,
but to hear them recommended as being close to Jellyfish is something I
cannot take.  Why?  WEll, the big problem is that the singer sounds like he
doesn't have any ba...that he didn't make it through puberty properly.  I
have heard good things about their stage show, to be fair, but I honestly
cannot sit through more than 3 seconds of this band without changing the
dial.  The first few times I heard their stuff, I thought the piano was
O.K., provided you could make it past the vocals, but even if you *can*
make it past the vocals, there is no real oomph to anything else, either.
With Jellyfish and XTC you get *music*--listen to _Split Milk_ via the
headphones a couple times (I've done this a couple of hundred times), and
you'll hear the work that has gone into this album.  Everything finely
crafted.  With the BFF all I hear is whining and lots of piano.  Not that
the piano playing is bad, but as far as laboring over the nuances of a
song, they're nowhere near the blood, sweat and tears level poured into the
work by XTC or Jellyfish.  I really did try to listen to them--the first
four or five times I heard them I actually listened and didn't just go
"Yuck," and change the dial like I do now.  Closed-mindedness doesn't help.

If this is what we've got to call the Next Best Thing, it sure as Hell
explains why I've been buying so few new albums lately.  I want a crafted
song.  I want a song done by someone who knows what they're doing with a
lyric.  The new Loudon Wainwright III shows an artistry that I consider
above and beyond the write-'em-by-numbers crapola that is getting churned
out by the truckload these days.

I keep going back and buying older albums these days because there's so
little of late worth the money.  OK, my standards are high, but I would
rather listen to an older XTC or Billy Bragg record and have to wait for
new material from them than listen to the Barf Folds Five.  *Nothing*
personal meant against anyone on the list--different strokes for different
folks, but just as you're on the list in praise of them, I'm going to warn
those who might buy this CD to take it to the listening booth first (and do
so on an empty stomach :-)).  I may wind up being the only anti-BFF member
on this list, and if I am, I do so with pride, and will attend all anti-BFF
conventions proudly by myself.

Last but not least:  It's a *sad* day when I see Alanis Morrisette praised
by an XTC fan.  The woman couldn't sing in tune if you held a gun to her
head, and it's a downright shame to see that she inhabits the same planet
as Joni Mitchell.  I like singing, not screeching.  And that all-important
songwriting factor is there!  Melissa, my good woman, hast thou partaken of
some Joni?  Add her to your listening diet asap.  You'll hear *worlds* of
insight about life in her lyrics that go beyond having a temper tantrum.

Yes, I'm having fun writing all this, so don't get all bent (or go ahead,
if you insist), but bejasus, I'm going to have to go home and knock back
a bit of _English Settlement_ and some _Split Milk_ while I cry over what
people are recommending on this list.

-Patty

P.S.  If Mr. Folds' voice ever drops about five octaves, then I will fold
and give him another listen.

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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 14:17:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Laura Parent <laura@geosun1.sjsu.edu>
Subject: Black Grape

Uh, does anyone else think that the guy on the black grape cover looks
like Andy P. with a dye job? I did a triple take when I first saw the CD,
I thought Andy had come out with a solo album that I didn't know about.

Of course that would be impossible with all you wonderful chalkhillians
to keep me informed.

P.S. Now I'm sorry I lagged so hard and never got a chalkhills T-shirt.
Any chance for a second printing?

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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 22:35:18 +0000 (GMT)
From: Kevin Donnelly <kevin.donnelly@st-hughs.oxford.ac.uk>
Subject: Drugs

XTC the  band name has NOTHING AT ALL  to do with Ecstasy. The drug did not
make it big here until the late 80s (recall Jarvis Cocker of Pulp talking
about the appearance of E in 1989).
I am most surprised to hear that Andy was prescribed Valium at the age of
12; this seems very unusual. It's not the usual thing to give to a child
for "signs of anxiety". I have been struck down by this for years and no
doctor has prescribed me a thing :-)
Also I thought I'd mention that a lot of provincial English towns in the
seventies got narcotic kicks out of extreme use of household drugs
(viz. Ian Curtis) and heroin as well. Not that this is important in any
way.  Today is 2/2/96. It is 4 years to the day since I first heard the
boys on the radio. A superb reason to celebrate. Cheers!

dance to the radio

Kevin

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From: Ricky Kreitman <RICKY@vhf.org>
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 96 14:40:00 PST

re:"
"Subject: Ben Folds Five

>Just picked up an album by a group called Ben Folds Five (self-titled
a>lbum).  *VERY* Jellyfish-ish for those interested.  The current
>track on the radio called 'Underground' would make you swear
>that Andy Sturmer or Roger Manning was in the band, but there was
>no connection evident in the CD liner.
>
>At least I *finally* found an album I could sink my teeth
>into as we await the next bone tossed our way by our
>favorite lads!!  8^)  I definitely recommend it!"

Just 1 Jellyfish song- "Underground"- in my opinion.  I bought this hoping
for some Jellyfish sounds-  sounded more Joe Jackson to me.  I listened to
this album 8 times in a row and got sick of it (my personal listening test).

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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 18:48:42 -0500 (EST)
From: Ian Williams <ecstasy@email.unc.edu>
Subject: Re: Chalkhills Digest #2-63

James wrote, of Ben Folds Five:

> *VERY* Jellyfish-ish for those interested.  The current
> track on the radio called 'Underground' would make you swear
> that Andy Sturmer or Roger Manning was in the band, but there was
> no connection evident in the CD liner.

The guys in the band are friends of mine (Chapel Hill is indeed tiny - I
lived with the Archers of Loaf, if any of you know their amazing oeuvre)
and are almost always *not* included in Chapel Hill's finest bands, since
nobody in this town appreciates pop music much. The style here is much
more suited to the aggressive sounds of Superchunk, Polvo, and the
aforementioned Archers.

Which is too bad - it will take a hit single from BF5 for anybody to give
a damn. Darren Jessee, their drummer, is the finest percussionist I've
ever heard, played with, watched live, anything, and is a damn fine guy
to boot. I wouldn't play up the Jellyfish connection too much, unless you
take it with dollops of the current "lo-fi" ethic. Another old roommate,
Caleb Southern, produced the album and is much more interested in the
sound of Squeeze circa "East Side Story". Detractors decry BF5 as the
unholy reincarnation of early Billy Joel, a complaint I share every other
song or so.

For other great pop music, check out another Chapel Hill band - Dillon
Fence. Their album "Outside In" is quite wonderful, as is "Living Room
Scene." I got Greg (their lead singer) a copy of "Skylarking" and it has
stuck with him since.

-ian

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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 19:22:41 -0500
From: Spawn Ranch Disciples <pete_srd@mindspring.com>
Subject: Should I check out Blur live??? Quick!

Hey Chalkhillians,

I have the opportunity to see Blur this Tues. in a very small club
in Atlanta. I haven't really heard too much about them (I'm new
to the list, but I've seen a few postings - XTC fans will most
likely like Blur). I talked with a friend last night and he said that
in their early years they were 'shoe-gazers' (like Jesus & Mary
Chain or something like that), but they changed and have become
'British pop'. If I want to get a record of theirs, which one
would you recommend?

Thanks for your input - if I go to the show, I'll post a review.
Pete

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From: steve@expersoft.com (Steve-O Lutz)
Subject: Meeting place lyrics
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:30:20 -0800 (PST)

I always thought it was "Don't let smoke get in your eyes".

	-- Steve

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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 21:55:12 -0500 (EST)
From: "Tom X. Chao" <tqc8542@is.nyu.edu>
Subject: Aimee minus Dave

I attended Aimee Mann's show at Irving Plaza last night in NYC.  No sign
of Dave Gregory on stage.  For some reason, she did not introduce the
band line-up during the concert, but Dave was definitely not there.  (She
was also on Conan last and if you saw that you can verify my assertion.)

Sadly, I didn't find her new songs that strong, but _Whatever_ is still a
great disc--run out and get it, right after you get some Jane Siberry
discs.  (Melissa, "Everything Reminds Me of My Dog" is on _Bound By The
Beauty_ (reprise).
Tom X. Chao

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From: produce@magicnet.net
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 23:00:52 -0500
Subject: Meeting Place Lyrics

Someone @ somewhere wrote:

>Hi.  Can someone out there tell me what the back-up singers are singing after
>Colin sings the line "Strolling under grimey skies..."?  It's something like
>"[indistinct] smoke get in your eyes".  It's the word before "smoke" that
>eludes me.  I've checked the Chalkhills lyrics archive and this line is
>mysteriously omitted.

I always thought it was "Don't let smoke get in your eyes"  Listen to it
closely..I think this is it!

AJ

The Quality Music Page --->
http://www.magicnet.net/~produce/
(ultra-enhanced...Netscape 2.0 or later ONLY)

"Skylarking is like a summer's day
  baked into one cake" - Andy Partridge

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From: Stillted@aol.com
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 23:17:09 -0500
Subject: the blue up?

Is anyone else familiar with this band?  They're Minneapolis based, pretty
good, not brilliant.  They've got a song on their first major label
release, "Spool Forka Dish" called "Blasting XTC".  Nice little tribute
piece.  Just curious if anyone else knows.

k

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From: BugRoom@aol.com
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 00:16:10 -0500
Subject: Dishwashers

I don't know... it seems to me that many people would
simultaneously EXPLODE if say... Andy were to sing a Colin
song.

I wonder if Andy, Colin, and Dave know about this
singer=songwriter law.  Somebody should tell them quickly so
they don't deviate from that and then have to face many, many
lectures, not to mention lawsuits for all the outstanding
therapy fees.

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Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 00:09:32 -0800 (PST)
From: A Sattler <ahs@nevada.edu>
Subject: Calling L'Affaire Louis Trio fans

Anyone out there familiar with the band L'Affaire Louis Trio beyond their
very wonderful "L'homme aux milles vies" CD (which would be wonderful with
or without Colin's contributions) ?  There is a complete lack of
information on them on the Web and I'd like to find out more about them and
their other albums.  Please e-mail me privately.  Thanks very much.

(And yikes, that was the sound of my librarian's stripes being torn from my
shoulders: yes, it is L. Frank Baum, not Frank L. Baum -- I blush in
humbled correction.)

cheers to everyone,
  Annie

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From: ZITTEL@aol.com
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 12:46:42 -0500
Subject: Covers

I was trying to make a list of all the XTC covers that have been released,
besides those which appear on Testimonial Dinner (also excluding the two
XTC fans tribute cassettes). Can anyone tell me about any covers that might
be missing from this (short!) list:

Primus- Making Plans For Nigel
Giant Ant Farm- Shiny Cage
Poosies- Love On A Farmboy's Wages
Cleaners From Venus- Pearl (Andy demo)
Trash Can Sinatras- Senses Working Overtime
Der Eiserne Vorhang- Franzi (Making Plans For Nigel)
Crash Test Dummies- Ballad Of Peter Pumpkinhead
Verve Pipe- Blue Beret
Saeko Suzuki- Happy Families
Barbara Gaskin and Dave Stewart- Roads Girdle The Globe

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Date: Sat, 3 Feb 96 14:41 MST
From: philco@micron.net (Phil Corless)
Subject: T-Shirts Update

The final batch of Chalkhills t-shirts has gone out in the mail
this morning.  Everyone should have their shirt by mid-week,
except for the overseas people....  Those of you in Australia,
Sweden, and England should have your shirts in about two weeks.

Thanks for all the nice comments I've been receiving....

If there is enough interest, I may do another batch of shirts later
this year... Maybe in the summer....  I need to recover from
this one first!  :)  By the way, the final count was 95 t-shirts.

*--------------------------------
Phil Corless
Boise, Idaho
philco@micron.net
*--------------------------------
http://www.lookup.com/Homepages/53541/home.html

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From: 7IHd <ee92pmh@brunel.ac.uk>
Subject: Living In A Haunted Heart
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 05:15:49 +0000 (GMT)

No, I can't stand it any longer... I've had the "Mayor Of Simpleton"
3" CD single in my posession for nearly a week now, and this song,
this... this work of pure genius... is just the best 'new' thing I've
heard for years... wow. Why oh why oh why didn't it make it to the
album?

Don't rate "The Good Things" much mind, though I've yet to hear the
TD version. "Skeletons" is a far superior song IMHO.

Sorry for waffling. Useful message to follow in due course.
  _
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 |  | )||   http://http2.brunel.ac.uk:8080/~ee92pmh/
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From: David Yazbek <yazbek@pipeline.com>
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 12:37:54 -0500
Subject: Yazbek Reply

In reply to a posting on the last Chalkhills- I'm sorry it's been so hard
to find my record, "The Laughing Man". The newest and (to the best of my
knowledge) actual, no bullshit release date is March 19th on W.A.R.
records. Also-- I just want to put in my two sents about Ben Folds 5. I
heard his demos about two or three years ago and really flipped. The album
is even better. I haven't seen him live yet. Chalkhills people might be
interested to know that I introduced him to Partridge at a session back
then, and Ben was pretty silent. I think he was nervous. He seems pretty
outgoing on the record, though-- great vocals and great pianoing. Buy his
album-- well first buy mine. Oh- We're playing at the Mercury Lounge in NYC
on Wed. Feb 7th at 8:30.
Yazbek

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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 16:05:20 +1200
From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)
Subject: 2 Daves and a Martin

well, for those of you that haven't seen it (which may yet be most of you),
the first single off Martin Phillipps and the Chills' new album is out:
"Come Home", with messrs Gregory and Mattacks on bass and drums on the
"a-side". This is the only one of the four catchy pop tunes on the CDsingle
that they appear on. The tune is very simple, very catchy. Drumming is
little more than a rhythm track, but Dave Gregory's contribution is one of
those basslines that at first listening seems pretty straightforward, but
when you listen more closely wanders all over the place. Pretty fun, not a
bad tune (hardly "Heavenly pop hit", but still pretty good).

James

James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago.

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   * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time,
   * from another time                     (Brian Eno)

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Date: Sun, 04 Feb 1996 23:29:44 -0600
From: shonniet@interaccess.com (LaShawn M. Taylor)
Subject: Re: Chalkhills Digest #2-63

>From: Natalie Jane Jacobs <gnat@umich.edu>
>I had a look at the "Front Man" column in this month's (?) "Musician"
>magazine concerning our Andy.  (snip...snip) The accompanying photo shows
>Andy pulling a face which reminded me strangely of Joel Hodgson (of MST3K
>fame).

All right!  Another MST3K fan!

>From: mikem9@ix.netcom.com (Mike Martis )
>If it's true that our guys' contract mess is close to being wiped up,
>hallelujah! It's about time.

And there was great rejoicing. . . (insert your own monty-pythonish cheer here).

>From: jenny@next.com.au (Eliot Fish)
>We all know that the composer of the song is the singer... however... does
>anyone really know what Dave Gregory's voice sounds like? (more snipping
here. . .)  BUT BUT BUT... on Bike Ride to the Moon, even though at times
>you can hear Andy's vowel delivery... the accent is unlike either him or
>Colin. Maybe.... just maybe we're hearing Dave Gregory singing here?

That's what I thought of at first.  But then again, it could be just Andy
doing his weird vocal tricks again.  Dave is quite satisfied singing backup,
focusing more on musical arrangement than his vocal chords.

Can't remember who said this one:
>>Andy can't distort his voice as well as Colin can [look
>>at Grass compared with The Meeting Place].
>
>Uh, I don't get your point... Colin is the vocalist on both these tracks.

I don't think Colin's distorting his voice on Grass as much as just singing
in a lower register than we're used to hearing him.  He does that also with
Dying and Ten Feet Tall.  And what do you mean Andy can't distort his voice?
Ever listened to It's Snowing Angels?  Believe it or not, it's him,
country-hick voice and all.

>"Burning with Optimism's Flame" never sounded so good!
>
>Agreed!  That one always sounded great live!

Nah.  Battery Brides.  Much, much better than the studio version.

Also, someone mentioned something that though the composer always is the
lead singer, the backup singers are disputable.  I highly, highly agree,
because I have a couple of questions:

* On Hey Goosey, Goosey, is that the entire group singing or is it just Andy
up to his recording tricks again?

* Just what is the story with Ella Guru? On the Demos 4 CD, there's just the
instrumental track, but I have another track with the boys (or is it just
Andy again?) singing all sorts of weird nonsense.

Any ideas?

LaShawn M. Taylor

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at the kind of beasts I've seen		| Watch for my brand spanking new
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Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1996 01:16:56 -0800
From: Horst Schwager <horst.schwager@Hamburg.NetSurf.DE>
Organization: Private (Hamburg.NetSurf.DE)
Subject: new and trade

Hi,
  i'm new on this list and wanna get rid off some of my xtc-items.i will
  trade them with other records,cd's(not only xtc!,prefer
  independent/rock/pop).tell me what you want and what you give
  therefore.the best bid will get it!

  details:all in picture sleeves,D=german pressing,UK=United Kingdom,from
  every single i have only one copy,so hurry

  SI/XTC/All you pretty girls/Virgin/D
  SI/XTC/Great fire-PVC Cover/Virgin/UK
  SI/XTC/King for a day/Virgin/UK
  2SI/XTC/Love on a farmboy's wages/Virgin/UK
  SI/XTC/Love on a farmboy's wages/Virgin/D
  SI/XTC/Major of simpleton/Virgin/UK
  SI/XTC/Senses working overtime/Virgin/UK
  SI/XTC/Wait till your boat goes down/Virgin/D
  SI/XTC/Wonderland/Virgin/UK

  bye for now!
  Horst

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From: for248@abdn.ac.uk
Subject: Wrapped in Grey
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 13:17:11 +0000 (GMT)

First off I hope I've sent this to the write place.....

Hello all, I,ve subsribed for a while now but have had no reason to write
anything until now.

Apparently the Wrapped in Grey cd is v rare (50 copies), I was wondering if
anyone knew this for sure as yesterday i brought one for 2UKPs which isn't
very much I guess. The dealer at the record fair said that it was common
and so I was wondering if anybody knows if the story about only 50 existing
is true????

all the best

Darren Keeping

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From: "Gavin O'Hara" <gohara@dow.on.doe.ca>
Subject: RE: Chalkhills Digest #2-63
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 08:24:13 -0500

Melissa Reaves wrote...

4)  Tom X., glad to hear someone mention Jane Siberry.  Why I remember her
>from "Waitress" in 1985.  Hadn't thought about her much since, but recently
I keep hearing snippets of her and want to buy something of hers now.
Does anyone know what CD "Everything Reminds Me of My Dog" appears on?

It was 'Bound by the Beauty'.

Gavin O'Hara
Senior Computer Consultant, Informatics Branch         416-739-4811 (voice)
Environment Canada                                     416-739-4999 (fax)

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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 10:25:12 -0500
From: vanvalnc@is2.nyu.edu (Chris Van Valen)
Subject: Chalkhills #2-63/Picture discs

Dave Haakenson writes:

>I'd been careful to buy everything as it was released and had
>NEVER heard of a pic disc release.

The 7" version of the single "Wonderland" is a picture disc.

Cheers,
CV

If you have an unpleasant nature and dislike people
this is no obstacle to work.
                                --J.G. Bennett

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From: Ben Gott <BENG@hotchkiss.pvt.k12.ct.us>
Subject: Is Geffen getting nice?
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 96 11:34:00 est

Here's the scenario: CDnow!...Search for "XTC"...under the heading, "NOT
AVAILABLE":

THE BIG EXPRESS
    Geffen Goldline 2066 24054 2
    Future Release: March 12, 1996

NONSUCH
    Geffen Goldline 2066 24474 2
    Future Release: March 12, 1996

ORANGES AND LEMONS
    Geffen Goldline 2066 24218 2
    Future Release: March 12, 1996

RAG AND BONE BUFFET
    Geffen Goldline 2066 24417 2
    Future Release: March 12, 1996

Who feels like explaining this one to me?

Ben

XTC SONG OF THE DAY: Dance Band ("Slow, slow...")

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