Precedence: bulk
Subject: Chalkhills Digest #2-4

          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 2, Number 4

                Tuesday, 26 September 1995

Today's Topics:

                   Andy's Email Address
               demos, demos, and more demos
                  the genesis of extasy
                RE: "Terry & the Love Men"
                     The latest word
                 While we are waiting...
                Re: Chalkhills Digest #2-1
                Re: Chalkhills Digest #2-3
               About the _Bubble Gum Album_
               Little Express subscription
              Burned by the Tom Tom Club!!!
               Re: demo-tracks Japanese CD
                Rumors and Misinformation
               Confessions of a pop junkie
             Re: Chocolate Fireball Addiction
                Re: Chalkhills Digest #2-3


  **  Chalkhills has moved!  Please note new addresses!  **

To UNSUBSCRIBE from the Chalkhills mailing list, send a message to
<> with the following command:

        unsubscribe chalkhills

For all other administrative issues, send a message to:


World Wide Web: ""

The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors.

In all your hurry you've accidentally locked the gate.


From: Richard Aaron Manfredi <>
Subject: Oops.
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 16:16:02 -0700 (PDT)

Sorry about the mistake on the "Reflex" thing.  As far as I know, Rip Van
Ruben is the only song by XTC.  Hazy memories, I guess.

Richard Manfredi


Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 21:04:08 -0700
From: Mark Rushton <>
Subject: Andy's Email Address

>Andrew Notarian <apn@UDel.Edu> said:
>The post goes on, with what seems to be a quote by Andy Partridge,
>explaining that Terry et al are really an XTC-inspired group from
>Swindon/Liverpool.  The intermittent greater than signs lead me to
>believe it might have been an e-mail message.  Andy has e-mail, maybe?

I thought the home computer had him on the run?  (yuk yuk)

As for another fan's hope that Terry Chambers would be playing drums on the
track:  I can only say I hope Chambers is drumming on the track.  To call
themselves "Terry and the Lovemen" and not include Chambers would be a
shame.  But if you consider that all their other one-off projects (or
two-off in the case of the Dukes) have been named in accordance with not
imposing on the proper XTC releases, then this would make sense. REM has
always done things in a similar way (Hindu Love Gods, Automatic Baby), and
it makes for some fun trivia too!

I'm surprised that there aren't more leaks with regard to the new album/label.


Mark Rushton
author of the
Bill Nelson WWW site:


Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 09:10:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: demos, demos, and more demos

why are you folks with the "new" demo tape torturing us?  can't one of ya
give the rest of us a hint how you came by your copies?  and won't
someone be willing to do a tape tree?  i am willing to make dubs for
anybody & everyone, should i ever find a copy myself.  so... come on!!!!


Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 17:26:14 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Jeffrey with 2 f's Jeffrey" <>
Subject: the genesis of extasy

In a recent digest, Ken Salaets wrote: "Actually, while introducing my kids
to the many spendid pleasures on "English Settlement" (their new favorite,
toppling "Oranges and Lemons"), it struck me how similar it was to
Gabriel-led early Genesis, in particular, "Nursery Crimes" and the album
before that.  Or was I listening to Genesis, and thinking how much they
sounded like XTC?"

Revealing a bit of my adolescence, I'll note that the synth sound on
"Ball and Chain" reminded me *a lot* of a synth sound on some song on
Genesis' _Selling England by the Pound_ (don't remember title--haven't
listened to that one for ages).


Jeffrey Norman                             "You think your country needs you,
University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee                 but you know it never will"
Dept. of English & Comp. Lit.
e-mail:                                   --Elvis Costello


Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 17:30:09 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Jeffrey with 2 f's Jeffrey" <>
Subject: RE: "Terry & the Love Men"

Regarding what is purpoted to be Andy's posting on AOL, which ran as follows:

>Re: "Terry and the Lovemen" ?
>Are a group of fellows from Wiltshire and one from Liverpool, who are
>besotted with XTC.  They just seem to take the band's career as a
>template to live by, (sounds unhealthy to me!)  You've got to admit
>they do a pretty good job on the 'sounds alike' scale.  Their singer
>does a passable Colin and even manages to sound not unlike Dave and
>Andy in other places (weird).  With dedication to duty like this, how
>could David Yazbek have refused them a place on the album.  I hear
>they took their name from an ad in Japan for our album "Black Sea."
>(The Japanese) jumped the gun and advertised it under the name of one
>of our 'in' jokes at the time, which was calling the record "Terry and
>the Lovemen."

I don't think this means that XTC are *not* "Terry and the Lovemen"; I
think this is an example of Andy's ironic wit (it does sound rather like
him, although AOL addressses are apparently easy to fake). In other
words, the reason T&tL sound *so* much like XTC (amazing, isn't it?) is
because, errm, they are.


Jeffrey Norman                                   "You could have had a future
University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee                         but you had a fit."
Dept. of English & Comp. Lit.
e-mail:                                        --St. Johnny


Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 20:20:20 -0400
Subject: The latest word

I just heard some XTC tidbits from a very good source. Thought I would share
them with you.

It seems that the Talking Heads will be making a new album without David
Byrne. To make up for his absense, they have asked various people to help
out. Andy Partridge will be co-writing and singing on one of the tracks. I
think he will be going into the studio in a couple of weeks to work on his

Also, in a past issue of The Little Express it was mentioned that Julian
Lennon had met Andy about possibly working together and tossed around a few
musical ideas. Well, Andy had not heard from him in a long time until just
recently he rang Andy up again. The word is that he might use part of their
collaboration on the record he is currently working on. But nothing is for
sure yet.

And on a less interesting note, I recently found a promotional CD called 'A
Hello CD of the Month Club sampler' (HEL-1994). It includes one song from
each of the Hello releases from 1993 and 1994. It contains the Andy song
(Some Lovely) My Brown Guitar from his disc.


Date:         Sun, 24 Sep 95 11:02:04 EDT
Subject:      While we are waiting...

While we're waiting for Testimonial Dinner, I want to ask y'all:

What XTC tune would YOU do on a tribute album and why?
Musicians, you can talk about how the song fits in with your particular
style, the rest of us can let our imaginations run wild.

Myself, I might do "This World Over" cause I can hit all the notes and
really blast the song while I'm in the park walking my dog.

About Andy sharing his "wedded piss" (last issue), I assume you're
referring to that song someone oh-so-kindly shared the lyrics to.
I think we're all too quick to assume that it's a response to Andy's
marital breakup.  He's been writing songs like that for years:

Supergirl, Madam Barnum, Me and the Wind, Miniature Sun, Heaven is Paved...,
Wait till Your Boat Goes Down, Are You Receiving Me?, Snowman etc etc

Before I heard they were getting divorced, I always wondered why he wrote so
many songs like that.  They've either been having problems for a loooooong
time or that's just an easy subject to write about.

And when you lowered me into your syrup, all I could think of was what a
lovely way for me to go.


P.S. Sorry I can't put in fancy quotes so you really know what I'm talking
about.  My primitive mail server won't allow it.  But I hope you understand.


Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 17:54:15 BST
From: Martin Wilson <>
Subject: Re: Chalkhills Digest #2-1

Welcome back Chalkies everywhere!  Ee bye Gum, I 'ant 'arf missed yer!

Having no Chalkhills to read of course means that I've had time to actually
listen to some XTC.  I still think 'Rook' is the best thing they (Andy's)
done - court adjourned.

On Tue, 19 Sep 1995 16:12:54 -0700 <> wrote:

> All this brings me to my question.  Where the heck is Nithilon (as in
> "Travels to ..")?  I know Nineveh was a city in ancient Bablyon, but
> Nithilon?!  If any there are any historians/anthropologists amongst us that
> might provide insight, please respond.
> Ted Harms                            Library, Univ. of Waterloo

Well Ted.  Nihil means (I think) 'nothing ' in Latin.  So Nihilon is

>         Strolling under grimey skies
>         <Don't let the smoke get in your eyes> (?)
>         Machines that make you kiss in time...
> Does anyone have a clue what in heavens Colin is talking about in this
> song, anyway?  The lyrics seem rather cryptic.

I thought this one was fairly clear.  It's a gentler, modernised version of
Ewan McColl's 'Dirty Old Town'.  About a first relationship in an
industrial working class environment.  The machines make you kiss in time
because you only have the time outside work to meet.

Thus ends the cultural studies lecture for this week.  Nothing to report
(as far as I know) from this side of the Atlantic.  I have heard slightly
more XTC on the radio over the past few weeks but that only means 2 tracks.
Oh England where is thy soul?

Martin                                          U o York  UK


Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 20:12:12 BST
From: Martin Wilson <>
Subject: Re: Chalkhills Digest #2-3

On Fri, 22 Sep 1995 14:21:16 -0700 <> wrote:

> From: (Peter Mullin)
> Subject: Chocolate Fireball addiction
  Would other Dukes fans care to compile a "listener's list" of
> period (and modern) recordings that approximate the Chocolate Fireball
> sensation?  For starters, I can think of:
>         Beatles: 'Revolver', 'Sgt. Pepper'
>         Beach Boys: 'Smiley Smile', 'Pet Sounds'
>         Yardbirds: "Happenings Ten Years Time Ago", "The Hot House of
> 		Omargarashid", and similar tunes
>         Pink Floyd: 'Relics', 'Ummagumma'; "Arnold Layne", "See Emily Play"
>         Any other ideas?

Anything by the Kinks.   - Dedicated Follower of Fashion, Waterloo Sunset,
	See My Friend
Kevin Ayres - Jolie Madame, Lady Rachel
Robert Wyatt - Oh Caroline, I'm a believer cover
The Monkees - Pleasant Valley Sunday
Pink Floyd - Corporal Clegg (Good Man Albert Brown)
Fairport Convention - Chelsea Morning
Pentangle - Light Flight
			Any more?


Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 10:46:22 -0400
From: fm348@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Harold Freshour)
Subject: About the _Bubble Gum Album_

      First off, it's good to see Chalkhills back. Patty asked about
the _Bubble Gum Album_. A year ago, the alternative radio station in town
had a call-in interview with Andy. He said that "Cherry In Your Tree"
off the _Carmen Sandiego_ soundtrack was probably the only song from the
sessions to see the light of day. THe songs were influenced by 1910
Fruitgum Co. and the like. Alas, we may never hear the rest of the songs.

"Let the speakers crackle and burn..."-Red Lorry Yellow Lorry
"Throw to first, back safely"-Herb Score


Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 00:56:01 +1000 (GMT+1000)
From: Vzzzbx <>
Subject: Little Express subscription

First of all, I'm a relatively new Chalkhills reader [since April], and
this is my first reply so I don't even know if it's going to work.  :)

Secondly [the relevant bit], I've been reading heaps about The Little
Express in here, and I'm dying to know how to join.  Do I send money?  Do
I need a particular form?  Many thanks to any and all replies...

Lastly, and as concisely as possible [this is the bit where I bore everyone
with my history], I bought Nonsvch in 1992 [for NZ$11!]; got Waxworks in
November '94; became addicted and bought O&L, R&BB, SL, ET, ES, Go2, TBE,
BS, WM, Mummer, D&W [in that order] in the last 12 months.  So I'm a
pretty new fan, really.  Fave album is The Big Express, and I want to hear
lots of orchestral exploration in the new album.

That's my life in a peanut shell.  I won't bore you any longer.  :)



Dot dot dot excla-bloody-mation mark.


Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 11:19:00 -0600
From: (Chris Van Valen)
Subject: Burned by the Tom Tom Club!!!

Hi Chalksticks

This isn't exactly new, but it's a piece of trivia and a cautionary tale.
Around or shortly after the release of Nonesvch, I was browsing in the CD
singles bin at the local Tower Records and came across the Tom Tom Club's
then current single, "Sunshine and Ecstasy". I had no idea what this
sounded like (I had lost interest in them around the time of the second
album (No Adrian Belew = No Sale), but I looked at the track listing on the
back and, much to my amazement, saw the following:

                        Track 5: XTC Mix
                        Track 6: XTC Dub

With great excitement and glee, I plunked down my $6.00 plus tax and ran
home to an anticipated aural feast. I popped the disc in, cranked the
stereo and waited. I sat through the first four tracks (as a courtesy to
the artists), and it was quite a struggle to do as they were totally
full-tilt 70s style (yech!) DISCO! But I kept thinking of Tracks 5 and 6.
Track 5 comes in with...THE SAME CRAPPY DISCO!!! No hint, glimmer, sample,
lyric, or theme even vaguely like the Swindon Three(or Four, if you will).
Still, I sat through this mess and prayed for some relief in Track 6. Once
again, my hopes were dashed, as this was yet another variation on the same
crap. What a downer.
Despite my urge to hurl this piece if useless piece of plastic out of my
window, I have kept this in an honored place on my shelf as a reminder and
a warning to others--know what you're buying! If you see this in the
(deservedly) cut-out bins, steer clear away, my dear friends!

It's just a complicated game,

Chris Van Valen


Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 10:11:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Hooker <HOOKER2@MUVMS6.MU.WVNET.EDU>
Subject: Re: demo-tracks Japanese CD

Ah, yes I received this CD as a gift as well (it was at Christmas,
leading me to believe there was a shortage of fruitcakes that year).

ANyhow, "Always Winter Never Christmas" is easily the best track on the
CD. It has Andy doing his finest falsetto, and the music sounds a bit
like something Lindsey Buckingham did on Fleetwood Mac's "Tusk" album
(sorry for the analogy, but it *does* sound like this).

No Joke. (AP, 1995).

????????????????????????????Andrew Hooker????????????????????????????????????

                 URL:  HTTP://WWW.MARSHALL.EDU/~HOOKER2/
                     E:mail HOOKER2@MUVMS6.WVNET.EDU

                Marshall University; Huntington, WV; USA


Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 11:16:48 -0700
From: relph (John Relph)
Subject: Rumors and Misinformation (Jim S.) writes:
>>(gosh, I can now use netscape instead of lynx) I saw a 'new XTC album'
>>planned (or is that rumoured?) to be released IN 1995 ON the Virgin
>>label! 21 tracks!

No way.  It's only a rumour.  Maybe 1996.  If we're lucky.

John Relph (me) wrote:
>The Adventure Club Sessions
>       acoustic sessions from 94.5 the Edge, Dallas, Texas...

I have been informed that the _Adventure Club_ CD is no longer
available.  Sorry.

	-- John
Guatemalan women weave 90 percent of the world's Triscuit supply


Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 11:34:10 -0700
From: relph (John Relph)
Subject: Confessions of a pop junkie

		     Confessions of a pop junkie
		 [Financial Times September 23 1995]

This delightful apologia has the ring of truth, writes Antony Thorncroft.

For me it was "Lullaby of the Leaves" by Gerry Mulligan.  Actually, I
am proud of it.  It now sounds like movie music but Mulligan has kept
his street cred.  For Giles Smith it was the Beatles' "Let it be".
Except that it wasn't.  It was "Rosetta" by Georgie Fame, but memory
has blanked out the horror of it all.

We are talking, of course, "the first record I ever bought", one of
those seminal conversations that you have when letting the hair down
and loosening the tie.  In his very amusing book _Lost in Music_,
Giles Smith traces his pop odyssey.  He admits that he convinced
himself for years that his first commitment to pop was buying the
Beatles record when it was actually acquiring a pale imitation of the
Sixties sound.

He confesses much else in this apologia of a pop junkie: the ruthless
purge of his records before going to university, consigning Status Quo
and Supertramp to the back of the wardrobe; the abandonment of all his
ideals by buying CD versions of his favourite vinyl albums; the
relentless pursuit of anything connected with XTC.

These are not the meanderings of yet another wasted youth.  Giles
Smith is not a complete amateur.  He actually flirted with the
professional side of pop.  He was half of The Cleaners From Venus,
which were big -- well, almost big -- in Germany.  He cut an album; he
toured.  The encounter with real pop managers, real record executives,
ensures that his story is that much more heart-rending than the sad
fantasies of a million lads who at any one time are in a band.

What makes it irresistable, giving it almost a Pooterish naivety and
making it a natural for early morning serialisation during the
Parliamentary recess, is the niceness of it all.  If drugs and
groupies dog the stars, they left the Cleaners well alone.  The high
spot of the German tour was a glass of real orange juice.  This is as
much the story of a happy childhood in Colchester as a saga of the
infamies of the pop world.  Smith is incapable of malice: he admits
that he signed a terrible contract so that he could fondle a piece of
vinyl that carried his name.

Being smitten by pop in Colchester in the 1970s was a forlorn
experience.  But suddenly, in the 1990s, that part of Essex produced
Blur.  In a typically deprecating anecdote, Damon Albarn, the lead
singer from Blur, comes with his parents to the Smith family home for
Christmas drinks and joins Smith's mother in some carol
singing. "Utterly predictable, of course" writes Smith "that when
someone from my family finally got to duet with a chart-topping pop
hero it was my mother".

In shining contrast to all the bombastic, overblown, self-serving
books about pop, _Lost in Music_ has the ring of truth, the sweetness
of innocence.  And Smith is still hopelessly enraptured.  On the last
page the Cleaners are re-forming, Japan beckons.  Can Smith, a now a
32-year-old journalist with a lawnmower and a worrying liking for
jazz, join the tour?  "`When are the rehearsals?', I said."

_Lost in Music_
by Giles Smith
Picador UKP 12.99, 277 pages


From: dallin@CS.ColoState.EDU (michael dallin)
Subject: Re: Chocolate Fireball Addiction
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 21:29:08 -0600 (MDT)

In the last issue of Chalkhills...

>...seriously, though:  the sound achieved by the Dukes is both familiar and
>unique.  Would other Dukes fans care to compile a "listener's list" of
>period (and modern) recordings that approximate the Chocolate Fireball
>sensation?  For starters, I can think of:

>        Beatles: 'Revolver', 'Sgt. Pepper'
>        Beach Boys: 'Smiley Smile', 'Pet Sounds'
>        Yardbirds: "Happenings Ten Years Time Ago", "The Hot House of
>		Omargarashid", and similar tunes
>        Pink Floyd: 'Relics', 'Ummagumma'; "Arnold Layne", "See Emily Play"

>        Any other ideas?

I have made it my life's quest to collect as much of this music as possible!
Here are some wonderful ones not mentioned in your list:

 Beatles:  Magical Mystery Tour
 Pink Floyd:  Piper At The Gates Of Dawn
 The Small Faces:  Ogdens Nut Gone Flake (highly recommended)
 The Rolling Stones:  Their Satanic Majesties Request
 The Move:  their self-titled debut album (may be hard to find, you can also
  try "Early Move" -- it has a bunch of their early stuff, including
  Blackberry Way, which sounds ominously like Collideascope)
 The Zombies:  Odessey and Oracle
 The Who:  Sell Out
 The Kinks:  Village Green Preservation Society, Something Else, and to a
  lesser extent, Arthur
 Status Quo:  Picturesque Matchstickable Messages From The Status Quo
 The Pretty Things:  SF Sorrow (good luck finding it, it took me a while)

Well, heck, that's enough to get started.  Most of these should be easy to
find or order.  Of course, there are *tons* of other bands (the Nice, Nazz,
Blues Magoos, etc) that have added their own bit of trippiness to the
psychedelic stew.  If you need any more suggestions, feel free to ask!  ;)



Date: Tue, 26 Sep 95 7:48:35 -0400
From: "Greg O'Rear" <>
Organization: UNC
Subject: Re: Chalkhills Digest #2-3

John Relph wrote:

> I believe this CD is still available:
>    From:
>    Subject: XTC New Rare Bit
>    [...Adventure Club ad...]

Hmm...I wrote to the above address and got this:

> From: Mailer-daemon
> Subject: Returned Mail: Undeliverable
> The mail you sent could not be delivered to:
> 550 reelgeorge is not a known user

Needless to say, I'm a bit skittish about sending my money.  Did their
mailer daemon hiccup, or is there a new address for this person?  I was
writing to find out a track listing.  Anybody know what Jellyfish song is
on this, or even if it's still available?

	[ No longer available.  See above.  -- John ]

Greg O'Rear                    Computing Consultant IV, Novell CNA
ADP, Univ. of North Carolina   E-mail:
440 West Franklin Street       Phone: (919) 962-0821; FAX: (919) 962-0900
Chapel Hill, NC  27599-1150    WWW:


End of Chalkhills Digest #2-4

Go back to the previous page.