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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 2, Number 39

                Saturday, 25 November 1995

Today's Topics:

                        God speak.
               Re: Chalkhills Digest #2-33
                    XTC on TV!!/TBOPP
                      Re: Nick Drake
       What's a "Sunny Jim"? and some other things
                     Mindless trivia
            Over the Edge (Where's the Soap?)
Uh, no XTC stuff, but a good little message nonetheless...
               'Beautiful' and the Cockpit
                 Religion-I've succumbed!
                       Lizard Music
              Act of God / Song Soundalikes
                      X Smashin' TC
                        God stuff
    Oops, said the 7-letter word.  Only twice.  Sorry.
                   Intervallic mapping
Sgt. Pepper Knew My Father -> 1967: Through the Looking Glass
                      Anti-ism-ism?
                  cockpits and children
                An addition to the XTC CV

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From: DAMIAN FOULGER <SPXDLF@cardiff.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 09:38:19 GMT
Subject: God speak.

Okay that's it, the final straw!!!!  I'm really rather bored by all
this Religious Talk and I'm sure that a lot of other people are too.
It makes me angry to see people write their (misguided) opinions
about God and Jesus to this list where it shouldn't be, so I propose
we put it to the vote;  to impose a voluntary ban on all God
exists/God doesn't exist type mails.  Send me a Yes or No with "God"
in the subject line and then I will compile the results when I stop
getting replies.  As there are over 600 members I expect to get at
least 300 to make the vote representative.  I have no wish to know
peoples leaning on the subject, just a Yes or No to whether we should
voluntarily suspend all religious topics (at least for a good while).

Please take 1 minute to reply to this.  Abstentions are of course
accepted.

Dames TWD

(Life is good in the greenhouse:XTC)
(You told me you saw Jesus, but I could only see a tree: Amber)

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From: M Wilson <mw25@unix.york.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 16:06:50 +0000
Subject: Re: Chalkhills Digest #2-33

> From: Danny <100637.2212@compuserve.com>
> Subject: Collideascope
>
> Surely Collideascope is Andy imitating John Lennon. Check out the nasal
> Liverpudlian accent.

I think it's a pastiche of `I'm Only Sleeping' off the BTL's
`Revolver' LP.  Certainly the best John Lennon impression I've heard.

> From: "Burgess, Christopher (msx)" <BURGESSC@linelnt1.light.GE.com>
> Subject: RE: birthday
>
> >Also, MTV had a blurb saying 11-11-42 was Andy's birthday. Happy
> >birthday! (unless, of course, they screwed up their research...)
>
> Hmm . . if Andy was born in 1942, he would be 53.  Why do I have my
> doubts about this?  If it's true, maybe he should join the Stones.

Should it be 11/11/52?  Andy is about 43.  Check the inner sleeve of
`Nonesvch' all the lad's ages at the time were printed on the photos.

Martin.

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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 16:15:25 +0000 (GMT)
From: Kevin Donnelly <kevin.donnelly@st-hughs.oxford.ac.uk>
Subject: XTC on TV!!/TBOPP

Odd places to hear XTC: Pebble Mill at One, April 1992. There I was, just
innocently eating ssome sandwiches and waiting to see if Robert Alton
Harris was going to go to the gas chamber after all,when suddenly Judi
Spiers says:"From the band that bought you Senses Working Overtime,
here's XTC with their new single, The Disappointed." which was odd,
because on the whole I don't watch Pebble Mill and it constitutes the
only time I've seen the boys live on TV. It was good nevertheless.
 This is getting a bit specialist but XTC made an impromptu appearance on
DJ Heaven, broadcast on BBC2 a couple of years ago in which they're seen
"playing" Sgt Rock from Top of the Pops in 1981. Well, it's one of the
oddest "straight" performances I've ever seen. Andy P is quite obviously
taking the **** because his mouth movements only vaguely resemble the words
and Terry Chambers (of blessed memory) makes no attempt at all to actually
play the drums! It's still better than Bucks fizz circa 1981 I suppose.
Aaaargghh!! And the trouble I had at school earlier this year trying to
persuade people that The Ballad of Peter Pumpkinhead was NOT written by
the supergroup Crash Test Dummies, but by a little known British outfit
called XTC! People thought I was lying!

and I can see hear smell touch taste

Kevin "Roy Wood" D.

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Date: 22 Nov 95 15:51:16 EST
From: KM <76711.753@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Nick Drake

>>I'm sorry to bother you all about a non-XTC subject, but yesterday I
>>was looking thru some old digests, looking for something else, when I
>>found a reference to a Nick Drake tribute album. Nick Drake is my
>>musical hero. I tried emailing the person who posted the message (a
>>Mr. CrowsPants), but he was an AOLer who has seemingly gone
>>AWOL. Anyway, if anyone has any information whatsoever about said Nick
>>Drake tribute album, please email me.
>>Thanks,
>>Jon Eva

Jon and all,

I never left, I'm just Lurking Lurking.  Jon, I'm off of AOL (wasn't worth
the money) but the Nick Drake tribute CD is _Brittle Days: A Tribute To
Nick Drake_ and it's on Imaginary Records (ILLCD 026).  It's worth
searching for.

Your post brought back memories of a hot August twilight on a rooftop in
NYC, with wine, friends and Nick on the boombox.  Sheer bliss.  Here in
L.A., it's just not the same.

To whomever posted the imaginary list of Martin Newell song titles, kudos.
I haven't grinned so much since Bob Sherwood's Alehouse experience.  Well
done!

For what it's worth, I love everything about Testimonial Dinner,
particularly Ruben Blades, Sarah McLachlan and, of course, COLIN!!!  I
listen to The Good Things everyday before leaving for work; it helps take
the sting away.

Hoping for a new XTC release before the inevitable but tardy moment of my
death,

Ken

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From: XDEVANS@CCVAX.FULLERTON.EDU
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:33:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: What's a "Sunny Jim"? and some other things

The exact Monty Python quote that was bandied about a couple of issues
ago reads, "I've always said, there's nothing an agnostic can't do if
he really doesn't know whether he believes in anything or not."  It can
be found on the "Bells" segment of their _Contractual Obligation Album_.
It's a pretty funny quote, especially for an agnostic like me.

Speaking of agnostism, to W. Douglas (I forget your last name, but your
middle one is the same as my first, so it stuck): You were a tad harsh
in your response to Rob from issue 2-37.  I don't agree with him either
but I like the way he phrased what he said.  You tell him to save his
message for Sunday School--who's the one with a closed mind?  There's
room enough for all on this list, which is the way it should be.  I'd
kinda like to think Andy P. et al. would agree.

Speaking of the Beatles, which we weren't, really, I heard "Free as a
Bird" today on the radio.  I'd like to see something like "The Good
Things" get that kind of publicity (it's coming after a long absence,
after all, and is something of a better song), but who am I fooling.

And speaking of Sunny Jim, which I did in the subject line and Andy
does in "1000 Umbrellas": who or what is Sunny Jim?  I've spent 9 years
thinking it's some English children's book character I've never heard of
but I could be wrong.  Maybe it's just another name for ol' man sun himself.

Thanks all!
Doug

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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 22:40:17 +0000
From: fisher@easynet.co.uk (Mark Fisher)
Subject: Mindless trivia

Mindless trivia freaks will be intrigued to see the name of The Guardian
newspaper's new web site. It's http://go2.guardian.co.uk

Mark Fisher (fisher@easynet.co,uk)

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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:54:06 -0800
From: relph (John Relph)
Subject: Over the Edge (Where's the Soap?)

Some time ago, Gregory Silvus <silvus@lumina.ece.cmu.edu> wrote:
>
>I'm still trying to catch up on my Chalkhills reading,

Yeah, no kidding.  So here is my attempt to catch up.

jd.mack@neteast.com (JD MACK) opined:
>
>  As far as "Dear God"
>goes, Andy may think what he likes, and he certainly has the right to
>express it to the world, but I have have my own values, and I will not
>listen to a song that I consider as offensive as the fictious song I
>described.

"Dear God" says that if there is in fact a God in Heaven (although
those terms are already so loaded with cultural overtones as to be
nearly meaningless), that God is not the God about whom the Bible was
written.  The God in the Bible doesn't exist.  A divine power may
indeed exist, but that power is not the Judeo-christian God as we know Him.

And if you listen to Andy's lyrics, the god he believes in is the
power for good that is within us all.  As I pointed out before:

    Everybody says join our religion get to Heaven
    I say no thanks why bless my soul
    I'm already there!

Every individual can make this world a heaven or hell for his or
herself.  It's your choice.

Christie Byun <cbyun@ocf.Berkeley.EDU> asks:
>
>I always assumed that This World Over was a political song.  But with all
>the religious talk tossing around, I'm wondering--especially because of
>the lines that go:  "...and how a child to the Virgin came...etc...so we
>can stand right up and say we did it in his name."  Is Andy referring to
>a generic political figure, or God (like a religious war, bringing
>Christianity to the heathens)?

It is both.  In the modern world, as you well know, religion and
politics are closely intertwined.  In the hypothetical future of "This
World Over", there was a global thermonuclear war, and it was caused
by a combination of cold war arms race and religious extremists.  Here
is a simple interpretation of the verse in question:

    Will you tell them about that far off and mythical land
    And how a child to the virgin came?
    Will you tell them that the reason why we murdered
    Everything upon the surface of the world
    So we can stand right up and say we did it in his name?

In "This World Over", `that far off and mythical land' is the land in
the Bible, one of the greatest symbolic fairytales ever written.  A
land where a virgin gets pregnant and gives birth to a god.  The war
which destroyed the planet was fought because we were fighting for
that child, that god.  A modern Crusades.

Mark Rushton <rushton@primenet.com> brags:
>
>As for the ongoing "Dear God" babble:  When I bought "Skylarking" on
>cassette in 1986 it didn't have "Dear God" on it.  Still have the cassette.
>Still doesn't have "Dear God" on it!  Ha ha ha ha!!!!!!

I still prefer the original running order of _Skylarking_.  Although I
think "Dear God" is a good song, I also think that it does not belong
on _Skylarking_.  The remainder of the album is nearly apolitical,
"Dear God" just doesn't fit in.  And I hate the segue between "Dear
God" and "Dying", it's badly edited.  "Dear God" should always fade to
black; "Dying" should always start from cold silence.

BARBER@emuvax.emich.edu asks:
>
>can anyone please send me a list of recordings that Andy
>appears on. Also, doesn't Colin have a side project/band (that hermit
>thing) or is that Dave, or what. Please educate.

All of this information can be found in the XTC Discography, available
through the miracle of the World Wide Web at:

	http://reality.sgi.com/employees/relph/chalkhills/

The list of recordings on which Andy appears is too long for me to
take the time to compile it.  However, you asked about Colin's
Hermits.  That's Dave Gregory, at home on his four-track, with Andy
Partridge on vocals.

Vzzzbx <h8hc035@wilbur.mbark.swin.oz.au> writes:
>
>I ordered in the Dukes's 'Chips...' CD from the UK a few weeks ago, and I

The UK version is much better than the USA CD; the UK version features
color pictures in the booklet!

Eagle-eye Timothy Chi Him Chan <uu023@freenet.victoria.bc.ca> notices:
>
>Also,
>I found this in GUITAR WORLD's Dec. 1995 issue in an interview
>with Julianna Hatfield:
>"In high school there were the Big Three: the Replacements, REM,
>and XTC.  Those were the three bands that made me realize,
>'I have to do this, too!'"

Good reason to put Juliana on _Testimonial Dessert_.

richard.pedrettiallen@octel.com (Richard Pedretti-Allen) writes:
>
>  I notice XTC listed in the Spirit of the Forest lineup (I've highlighted
>  their name with **).  I've never heard or seen this mentioned on
>  Chalkhills... anybody got any details?

It's in the discography!

Oh yeah, on that "Future Producers" thread, I have but one name to put
forth: John Leckie.  Excellent work on Radiohead's latest, _The
Bends_.  But then again, perhaps David Yazbek could do it, too.

7IHd <ee92pmh@brunel.ac.uk> writes:
>
># From: Laura Parent <laura@geosun1.sjsu.edu>
># I don't like ANYTHING on Big Express?
>
>Listen to it every day for 6 months. Then you'll understand.

I loved it the first time I played it.  Then I listened to it every
day for six months.  Still love it.  I just don't listen to it all
that often any more.

fisher@easynet.co.uk (Mark Fisher)
>
>I'm intrigued to know how Laura Parent reckons Down in the Cockpit - a song
>that is explicitly about men's inadequacy and women's competence - can be
>classified as sexist.

Well put!  I have found that most of Andy's songs which seem sexist at
a glance ("Down in the Cockpit", "All You Pretty Girls", "Sgt. Rock")
are tongue-in-cheek or facetious.

Tim RUSSELL" <T.R.Russell@newcastle.ac.uk> writes:
>
>As I'm fairly new, could someone please put me straight on the
>following issues:
>
>1. What is "muzak"?

That's Muzak(tm).  It's not just a type of music, it's an entire music
programming and distribution system.  The idea is to increase
productivity by programming specific styles and speeds of music at
different times of the day: quieter songs in the morning, faster
louder songs in the early afternoon to keep people from falling asleep
after lunch, etc.  A mood controller.

>2. Is "Demos 6" an album?

It's a bootleg, an unauthorized release.  Taken from cassette demo tapes.

>3. Is "Testimonial Dinner" an album?

It's an official compilation album of XTC songs performed by other
artists, intended as a tribute.

>4. Is "Chip-Choc Fireball" available on CD? - If so, where can I get
>    hold of a copy?

The Dukes of Stratosphear:_Chips From the Chocolate Fireball: An
Anthology_ is in fact ONLY available on CD.  If you want vinyl you
have to buy _Psonic Psunspot_ and _25 O'Clock_ separately.  The CD is
(or was) available in the USA, the UK, and Japan.  Possibly out of
print at this time.

>5. Have XTC ever made a video compilation?

Yes.  _Look Look: A Video Compilation_ was a collection of promotional
videos from 1977 to 1982 with a bit of interview.

>6. What is the likelihood of ever being able to see them live?

Nil.  Except on videotape.

Gene_Yoon@brown.edu writes:
>
>Combustible Edison look and act like a 50's lounge act from a parallel
>universe, complete with organ, vibraphone, glittery Fender electric guitar,
>upright bass, color-coordinated silk suits.

Three members of Combustible Edison were previously in a band called
Christmas, whose album _Ultraprophets of Thee Psychick Revolution_
comes warmly recommended.  If you can find it.  Hard pop, not swinging
at all.  Including one song with lyrics by Ernest Noyes Brookings
(lyricist of "Rocket", to which Andy put music).

Ciao.

	-- John

--
Chance favors the prepared mind.

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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 17:02:13 -0700 (MST)
From: Big Earl Sellar <splitred@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca>
Subject: Uh, no XTC stuff, but a good little message nonetheless...

Howdy! After going on and on about listening to some pop group of the 60's,
Algae99@aol.com confusingly mused:

> Did the 3 Wise Men do a track on "Sgt. Pepper Knew My Father"?  I have only
> seen it once about 800 years ago, but at the time I was not memorizing
> artists.  Someone told me that they did have a track on it.

The THREE WIZE MEN do the initial theme and the reprise.
	  ^^^^

Actually, the album is pretty well dross, but it was for charity. I think
I've listened to mine once - fav track was Frank Sidebottom totally
deconstructing BFTBOMK. (Whatever happened to him anyhoo?)

Later...
EEEEEEE Big Earl Sellar - splitred@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
EE 	"Prisonyard stares and fleur-di-lis tatoos
EEEE 	 Cannibals are saving all their bones for soup
EE  	 Eating with my fingers and sucking hulls of ships
EEEEEE 	 My parasite don't deserve no better than this." - The Hip
	***** REPEAL BILL C-7 NOW; GOVERN CANADA THROUGH OPEN DEBATE,
	      NOT FOREIGN INFLUENCE; WHY FEAR A PLANT? *****

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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 95 00:12:57 UT
From: "Kristan Fackler" <KristanF@msn.com>
Subject: 'Beautiful' and the Cockpit

I have to disagree with John Christensen about Smashing Pumpkin's
'Beautiful'...  This song does not even *remotely* remind me of XTC; in
fact I think the song (and the new Smashing Pumpkin album as a whole) is
one of the worst pieces of musicianship they've ever produced.  Its sort of
sad to see how much they've degenerated.

On a more XTC related topic, I have to throw in my $0.02 on Down In The
Cockpit.  As a former women's studies major (my current school does not
offer this major) I don't think this song is sexist in the least (IMHO, of
course).  I believe Andy is describing a potential future world in women
have taken over in order to improve the world.  ("the girl tribe are
growing up and filling the world full with a new soul.  to get so far they
payed a high toll....")  In order to survive, women have isolated
themselves from men ("oh! look what is this creature down in this hole?
well, my daughter, this strange being was once abundant upon this
earth....some say they were called 'men' " ) I think it is also important
to note that Andy says "try not to make they same mistakes as man has done
or you'll fall in that hole and you will see us changing our role."  which
I believe also eliminates the possibility that this song is sexist towards
men, as women must also be wary of oppressing men in the same way that men
have oppressed women.  To me, the most important message in this song is
that man needs woman to help him realize his mistakes, so neither man nor
woman will be down in the cockpit.  ("man needs the woman to pull him right
out of it..." and "he's needing your milk of kindness") This song made me
such a firm believer that Andy was *not* sexist that I was able to listen
to other songs like Sgt. Rock and All You Pretty Girls and see them as
sarcastic.  Besides, XTC is too intelligent a band to be sexist...again
IMHO.

One last thing...  When trying to convert a friend of mine to XTC, I first
loaned him Skylarking, which he loved.  But then, when I loaned him Oranges
and Lemons, he gave me the tape back the very next day and told me he
couldn't believe how offensive XTC was!!  Naturally I was shocked & asked
him what he had found so offensive & he said it was Pink Thing.  Now, I
always thought it was a lighthearted song about sexuality.  I've never
discused this song with other XTC fans, so I was wondering if there are XTC
fans who find this song offensive, or if my friend was overreacting.  Just
curious.

Kristan

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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 23:16:20 +0000 (GMT)
From: Kevin Donnelly <kevin.donnelly@st-hughs.oxford.ac.uk>
Subject: Religion-I've succumbed!

Well at least we now know  the truth-that religious beliefs are indeed
"insults" to those without.And it is also clear that those who reject
Christianity out of hand are _indeed_ much more open minded than those
who believe. Don't we have any respect for anyone else's beliefs anymore?
Must we pick them apart piece by piece until people agree with ourselves?
C'mon guys, let's be a bit more mature about this. Whatever Andy P meant
with Dear God that is his opinion and others are entitled to theirs. At
least that's what I thought. I must have been wrong.
Yes I think i can see people in uniforms and jackboots marching this way...

Kevin

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From: 7IHd <ee92pmh@brunel.ac.uk>
Subject: Lizard Music
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 00:49:12 +0000 (GMT)

Apparently there is a band called Lizard Music. Apparently they have an
album out called 'Fashionably Lame'. Apparently it is released by World
Domination, that's the label Dave Allen (ex-Shriekback) owns, so I checked
my WD sampler CDs and sure enough, there they were, with a track from said
album which I confess I don't like much.

But still, someone decided this album was worthy of a review in our
Stident Union magazine, and from said review, I quote: "Credited for
thanks on the sleeve are Dave Gregory, Colin Moulding and Andy Partridge
of XTC whose early work was also obviously an influence."

On the basis of the one track I've heard, I can't honestly see it, but
there you go. Does anyone know anything about this album, for example
does anyone know whether XTC were actually involved, or is this just a bit
of casual acknowledgement of influence / name dropping?

All for now,
Phil
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Date: 22 Nov 95 20:44:38 EST
From: Danny <100637.2212@compuserve.com>
Subject: Act of God / Song Soundalikes

Enough theology already. But...

...there's one tiny little detail on Skylarking which has always bugged me,
and that is the curious high-pitched tinkling sound at the start of the
middle section. It's on both my vinyl and CD copies.

Funnily enough it happens over the words "I really get confused on who
would make all this". A sign?? An act of God?? Nah, probably just a studio
glitch that got missed or couldn't be fixed. Still, funny to find a flaw
like that on what is one of XTC's most smoothly-produced albums.

On the topic of song soundalikes, the first few notes of "Disque Bleu" are
a straight lift (albeit unconscious I'm sure) from The B*****s "For No
One". Plus, the Frenchified atmosphere and the chord change near the end of
the chorus are strongly reminiscent of "Michelle". But maybe that's why it
never made it beyond a demo.

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From: BugRoom@aol.com
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 21:25:33 -0500
Subject: X Smashin' TC

John Christensen wrote:

---> "There may not be many Smashing Pumpkin fans on this
list, but did anyone else notice that a few songs on Mellon
Collie and the Infinite Sadness sound very XTC?" <---

Three words:

"Take Me Down"!

The artwork booklet is _very_ XTC-ish.  Psychedelic verging on
Dukes' artwork also.  Art Direction and design by Frank Olinsky
and Billy Corgan.  Hmm... perhaps Billy's a fan.

Bug

ps - I heard from the grapevine that while The Verve Pipe
were mixing their new album in New York, they got a li'l visit
from... God!!  (um, I mean Andy Partridge!!!).  How better
could a mixing session get?  Wonder if Andy touched the
board.  I'm sure he did spiritually anyway!

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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 20:20:52 -0600
From: acraine@interaccess.com (Anthony G. Craine)
Subject: God stuff

Straying a bit, but I couldn't hold back any longer...

robert.cowart@cbn.org wrote:

>I find great comfort that Andy is brave enough to mention "the topic"
>rather than ignore it.  He must feel that Jesus is the right to one to
>complain to -- it seems to be a continuing theme of his.  He doesn't whine
>to Buddha or Krishna nearly as much.  At least he has God's "handle"
>correct.

I would guess that this is because Andy's own cultural environment was much
more informed by Christian ideology than the ideology of Buddhism,
Hinduism, Shintoism or any other ism. He "whines" to the deity with which
he is most familiar. No big mystery there.

My own theory is that he could just write songs about human misery, but
that wouldn't get the attention of the faithful. If he writes about human
misery *and* juxtaposes it with the Creator, it gets people to discussing
and, perhaps, questioning their faith -- never a bad thing, no matter how
the questions end up being answered. He could be wrong about the
non-existence of God, but he's willing to engage in the debate while
including God and Jesus -- i.e., from a Christian perspective; I have met
very few Christians willing to engage in the debate, even for a short
while, from an atheist perspective.

And...

"RUSSELL" <T.R.Russell@newcastle.ac.uk> wrote:

>I'm afraid that the existence of Jesus of Nazareth is a historical
>fact.

(Various bits of information from the Bible are cited here and presented as
facts.)

>Basically, any intelligent historian would say that the existence of
>Jesus was, by no means, a fairy tale.
>The Bible is used by many historians as an important source of information
>and is regarded by many of them to be an indispensable window on the
>social, economic, political and religious aspects of the time.

The same can be said of the Sunday Times. And in 2,000 years, after
numerous translations, the Sunday Times could be picked up and read by
intelligent historians who in turn would write page after page about the
great religious figures of the day: Brian Lara, Michael Jordan, Manchester
United.

Facts do not exist in a vacuum. Facts are only facts because we are told
they are facts. They are highly subjective, no matter when they are
recorded or by whom.

------------------------------

From: BugRoom@aol.com
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 21:30:54 -0500
Subject: Oops, said the 7-letter word.  Only twice.  Sorry.

---> "Anyone but Jeff Lynne!  I was very disappointed to hear
he produced the new B****es' material!" <---

Did he really?  I heard "Free Like A Bird" on the radio.  I
thought it had that "Travelling Willbury" sound (whom I don't
really mind).  What really cheeses me off about all this is that
it's an OLD John Lennon DEMO.  NOT a new Beatles song!!  All
doctor-ed up with added "stuff".  I don't mind, very much, that
this happened... I just get weary of DJ's treating this like it's
supposed to be the 'new Beatles single'.  They all get down on
it because it's not the next "Hey Jude".  Whaddaya expect?  I
personally think the whole thing is SILLY.  Very embarrassing.

Oops... is this the XTC list?  (ha).  Let me try to tie this in here.
Okay... got it.  My ultimate TD request would be for John
Lennon to do "Books Are Burning".  It already sounds like a JL
song.  Guess that one can't be done.

Darn,

Bug

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From: MiKearns@aol.com
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 00:35:42 -0500
Subject: Intervallic mapping

YES... the music is certainly worth more study!  I'm much more at home with
this concept than with lyrical analysis.  To whoever suggested intervals and
math: I have nothing currently to offer in specifics, but I'll explore and
Email you or post here if it seems relevant.

In the meantime Chalkhillians, How about 'tone painting'?  That's where a
melodic (harmonic, timbral, etc.) device suggests (or is perhaps suggested
by) a _simultaneous_ lyrical phrase.  For example:
1) "Omnibus": the sound of brakes hissing when they sing Omnibussssssssss.
2) "That Wave": "I flew down to the bottom of the sea" - the melodic line
descends the scale, and makes a steep glissando on the word sea.
3) "Down in the cockpit" (descending line)  "... to pull him right out of it"
(notes on "pull" and "out" are approached by leap.)
4) "Peter Pumpkinhead": "...slur his name" (phrasing reflects slurred speech)

Caution: Though evocative and noteworthy, sound effects in instrumental
sections (e.g., the wintry intro to "Snowman") don't really count as tone
painting, nor do constant textural activity (e.g., the chopping rhythm
guitars throughout "Helicopter") as they are not synchronized with a
specific lyric.

I'm sure there are more I have missed, or haven't heard yet.  Any ideas?
(We can always move on to other things)

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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 03:48:35 -0800
From: Michael Travis <JSMDT@acad1.alaska.edu>
Subject: Sgt. Pepper Knew My Father -> 1967: Through the Looking Glass

Algae99@aol.com wrote:
> Did the 3 Wise Men do a track on "Sgt. Pepper Knew My Father"?  I have only
> seen it once about 800 years ago, but at the time I was not memorizing
> artists.  Someone told me that they did have a track on it.

Nope. (I have this album.) I wish they had.

There is a cover of Strawberry Fields Forever by "Colin's Hermits" on
a disc titled _1967: Through the Looking Glass_.

I've been trying to get that CD for a year now - checked my local store's
import catalog, looked through many shops while on holiday in Portland,
and even had my girlfriend search for it when she went to London. (She
did pick up _Drums & Wireless_, which I couldn't get locally.)

If anyone could help me obtain that CD (new or used), I'd be very ecstatic.
Email me.

--- jsmdt@acad1.alaska.edu (Michael Travis)

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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 12:22:37 +0500 (EST)
From: Slackman <tgs@telerama.lm.com>
Subject: Anti-ism-ism?

Hi All,

Since we're doing so much theorizing about the intent behind the lyrics
of XTC songs, I thought I'd drag up a recurring theme that I find a bit
curious. In songs like Mayor of Simpleton and My Bird Peforms, they seem
to want to make a point of disdaining intellectual pursuits.  Yet, XTC
consistently produces some of the most intelligent and thought provoking
lyrics in popular music. I mean, I'm fairly well educated, yet I often
find myself pulling out the dictionary to look up a word from an XTC song
(e.g. "frydgian"). So why the anti-intellectual stance?

Perhaps its more of a general disdain for institutions and the trappings
of those who claim to represent their ideals. In a similar fashion, Andy
shows digust at some of the atrocities performed under the guise of
organized religion, while at the same time exhibiting an obvious
spiritual yearing by even discussing the subject. Maybe he's just met too
many intellectual blowhards who flaunt their education without displaying
any real capability for delving into the important subjects. Just a thought.

TS

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Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 15:49:41 +1200
From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)
Subject: cockpits and children

yet another meaningless comment about the "Down in the Cockpit" debate,
following the train of thought that "down in the cockpit" could refer to a
crashed pilot. Andy has occasionally used nautical imagery (e.g., All You
Pretty Girls) - in times past when a person was "in the cockpit" they were
wounded in battle. The cockpit was the cabin of a fighting ship (especially
a man-o-war, ironically) where the wounded were tended.

It is also the name given to the arena used in the ancient and brutal sport
of cock fighting, and was the name of a prominent theatre in London in
Shakespearean times, although I don't really think either of these two
things has much relevance to the song.

Just in case someone out there wanted to know...

James

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From: Martin Bell/New Zealand/IDG Net  <Martin_Bell/New_Zealand/IDG_Net@idg.com>
Date: 24 Nov 95 16:56:15
Subject: An addition to the XTC CV

Hiya Chalkhillians,
As a long time XTC fan, but recent Chalkhill subscriber (about a week now),
I thought I'd share a strange XTC-related coincidence with you. I was
visiting a graphic artist friend of mine yesterday and noticed on his desk
a work in progress - cover artwork for the new "Chills" single (A New
Zealand band of some critical repute, but few sales). As I scanned down the
credits list I noticed that Dave Gregory was credited with bass and
one-time XTC and Fairport Convention member Dave Mattacks with drums. This
single is the first from a new album which apparently features DG and DM
extensively, as well as Colin Moulding (I think).Interestingly lead Chill
Martin Phillipps had to use session musicians for the new album when the
rest of his band were refused entry Visa's to the UK and put on the first
flight back to NZ. For those of you familiar with the band, it's just
another sorry chapter in "the curse of the Chills", although with such able
replacements, this particular cloud may well prove to have a silver
lining...
************************************
Martin_Bell@idg.com
P.O. Box 6813 Wellesley St
Auckland, New Zealand
ph 64-9-377 9902   fax 64-9-377 4604
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A quote? Hmmm...how about "you made a fool of me and physics"

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