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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 2, Number 25

                Wednesday, 8 November 1995

Today's Topics:

                      Ballet chords
               Re: Chalkhills Digest #2-22
                       Oh, Nigel...
                        Re: TD II
               Re: Chalkhills Digest #2-24
               Re: Chalkhills Digest #2-24
                      Chalkhills & ?
                          (none)
                  One More for the Road
                       RE: Dear God
                 XTC as background music
                   More T- Shirt Stuff
                  Re: Then She Appeared?
                    non-XTC XTC-stuff
                       T-shirt Info
             3D EP, D&W, Atheism, Gvs Dvdgeon
                        More God.
                 that horse/similarities
             God/corrections to last message
                 No language in our logic

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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 16:47:01 -0800
From: Neil Goldstein <ngold@teleport.com>
Subject: Ballet chords

Ballet For a Rainy Day:

I have never posted chords before so bear with me, if there's any question
post me back and I'll try to line up the lyrics with the chords. The
rhythm/chord connection will become clear if you start playing or listen to
the record:

Verse:

G  D/F# | Em  Bm | C   Eb | Bb  Ebmaj7  D7 |

G  D/F# | Em  Bm | C   Eb | Bb  Ebmaj7  A7 |

Chorus:

D  C  | G   A7/G | D  C  | G   A7/G |

D  Csus | Bb   D7 |  G7alt ....(piano riffs,etc)

Bridge:

C#  D#min  |  E   D#min |

C#  D#min  |  E   D#min | Dsus |...

    _/      _/  _/_/_/  _/  _/
   _/_/    _/  _/      _/  _/
  _/  _/  _/  _/_/    _/  _/
 _/    _/_/  _/      _/  _/
_/      _/  _/_/_/  _/  _/_/_/

Neil Goldstein
ngold@teleport.com     Portland, Oregon USA
voice: (503) 293-1356    fax: (503) 293-0312

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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 17:09:48 GMT
From: Martin Wilson <mw25@unix.york.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Chalkhills Digest #2-22

> From: smcdow@arlut.utexas.edu (Stuart McDow)
>
> A lot of these discs are two and three person collaborations. Here's a
> list of some of my faves:
>
> Eno/Fripp: No Pussyfooting

	Fripp and Eno also did a second collaboration called 'Evening
Star'; similar to but better than 'No Pussyfooting'.  My favourite Eno
LPs are 'Another Green World' and Before and After Science'.  These
feature collaborations with many different musicians.

> From: philco@micron.net (Phil Corless)
>
> I love the idea of the chalk horse and the word "Chalkhills"
> on a t-shirt.  Would there be any kind of copyright violation, tho?

	I would imagine anything produced around 5000 years ago by
neolithic farmers would be safely out of copyright by now but judging
by the new EC regulations I wouldn't take my word for it.

Martin

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From: "Chris Savage" <csavage@sojourn.com>
Date:          Tue, 7 Nov 1995 17:37:25 +0000
Subject:       Oh, Nigel...

 Richard Aaron Manfredi <manfredi@scf.usc.edu> wrote:
>  I was just wondering what anyone else thought of Primus' version of
>"Nigel"?....  Ithink it ranks as maybe better than anything off of ATD.
>Comments?

YES!!!  I happen to love that version.  I was a bit surprised that it
wasn't on TD but I figured the reason was that it was already
released material.   It may be straight forward but it is definitely
Primus.

As to all of the Crash Test Dummies flames, I couldn't disagree more.
 I think that their song is one of the most enjoyable on the cd.  At
least they made it *their* version unlike some of the others that
seemed more like copies.  Of course you have to like Brad's voice
which I do.  Maybe it's because it's the only vocal range I can sing
given my asthma and all :)

Just my US$0.02  ($0.01 Canadian)

Chris

-=-=-=-=-
no.sig :)

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Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 13:51:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Hooker <hooker2@MARSHALL.EDU>
Subject: Re: TD II

OOps!!

I must correct the following:

Manic Street Preachers: Invisble Sun
	should have read
Manic Street Preacher: Miniature Sun

Big Difference as the former is a Police song and the latter
is  an XTC song. Sorry for my error!

--Andy
???????????????????????????Andrew Hooker????????????????????????????????????

                 URL:  HTTP://WWW.MARSHALL.EDU/~HOOKER2/
                     E:mail HOOKER2@MUVMS6.WVNET.EDU
                           HOOKER2@MARSHALL.EDU

                Marshall University; Huntington, WV; USA

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Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 13:01:29 -0500 (EST)
From: John Pitre <pitrej@candu.aecl.ca>
Subject: Re: Chalkhills Digest #2-24

i HAVE a drums and wires t-shirt....

i got it, and a joy division unknown pleasures t-shirt in ... ohhhhhh
1981 i guess.. in victoria b.c. canada.....

i think it has been retired from overuse...

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From: IERANO_J@DD.PALMER.EDU
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 13:34:18 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: Chalkhills Digest #2-24

I agree with Klaus from Austria. Cover versions usually bore me, I'd
prefer More XTC any day.

Joe Ierano

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From: Ben Gott <BENG@hotchkiss.pvt.k12.ct.us>
Subject: Chalkhills & ?
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 95 14:27:00 est

Does anyone know anywher in the US that I could get "Chalkhills & Children"
(the bio)? Is it worth it?

Ben

Instead of a quote, it's the:

XTC SONG OF THE DAY!
        "Jason and the Argonauts"

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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 12:26:17 -0800
From: Christie Byun <cbyun@ocf.Berkeley.EDU>

Regarding the covers game--how about:

Peter Gabriel--Yacht Dance
Siouxie and the Banshees--All of a Sudden
Barenaked Ladies--Hold Me My Daddy
Elton John--In Loving Memory of a Name (A travesty since no one is
brilliant enough to cover this song, but it could be a 1,000 watt
rhinestone version.)
Two Nice Girls--Dear Madam Barnum
King Crimson--Chalkhills and Children
Martin Newell--Summer's Cauldron/Grass
Sex Pistols--Travels in Nihilon
Violent Femmes--Love on a Farmboy's Wages
Thomas Dolby--Battery Brides
Bob Marley--Another Satellite
Into the Atom Age--Cal Marching Band (An Andy suggestion!  Sorta.)

And to whoever (a very long time ago) suggested that They Might Be Giants
do a polka version of Ladybird--the idea of this just slays me!  I get the
giggles every time I think about it.  Dead brilliant suggestion.

And to finish it--I love the Kinks.  Thank you for your attention.

Christie

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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 13:06:52 -0800
From: Christie Byun <cbyun@ocf.Berkeley.EDU>
Subject: One More for the Road

I'm catching up on a pile of recent issues of Chalkhills and I just have
to say this:  I think Colin's songs are fabulous.  Sure he has some
clunkers (Cynical Days, Bungalow, in my lowly opinion), but it's evened
out by his gems--In Loving Memory of a Name is a wonderful wonderful song,
Smokeless Zone really smokes (heh), not to mention English Roundabout
and the Meeting Place.  Hell, it's more than evened out.  Everyone's
got their own opinions, of course, but I just wanted to stick up for
this wonderful songwriter. Hey, I liked George the best too.  Beatles,
I mean.

Thanks to Mr. Gene_Yoon for defending our shy old Colin.

Christie

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From: Michelle Pratt <mpratt@aacn.nche.edu>
Subject: RE: Dear God
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 95 13:46:00 PST

<<It is obvious that Andy is no friend of Christianity/God, and that "Dear
God" is simply the culmination of his misplaced anger and cynicism toward
God. The real question is not whether Andy believes or not, because he
clearly does not, but why does this issue come up so often in his music?
Why is he so nagged by something he doesn't believe in?>>

Why is his anger "misplaced" and cynical?  I think he's nagged by the idea
of religion and God and its implications because of what it's done to
mankind throughout history.  The wars in the Middle East have to do with
differences in religion, the Holocaust focused on Jews because of their
religion.  Terrorist acts and kidnappings are more frequently than not
claimed by religious groups.  I myself am uncertain of the presence of God,
but the way in which people use his/her name and teachings to justify their
own evil ends (ie Rabin's assassination) is disgusting and frightening.

Michelle Pratt
mpratt@aacn.nche.edu

"The hurt I see helps to compound, that Father, Son and Holy Ghost is just
somebody's unholy hoax"

------------------------------

From: vertigo@well.com (Giancarlo Cairella)
Subject: XTC as background music
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 23:34:48 GMT

XTC songs pop up in the least expected places: last Friday I went to GNN's
"Best of the Net" Awards ceremony in San Francisco. Among the music used as
background before the opening of the event, they played "Procession towards
learning land" (one of the "Homo Safari" instrumentals).

By the way, does anyone own the "Dear God" CD-Single (the one with the
complete "Homo Safari" series tracks) and would like to sell it?

Ciao,
G.C.

--
URL: <http://www.well.com/user/vertigo>

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From: acurtis@capecod.net (Al Curtis)
Subject: More T- Shirt Stuff
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 18:49:04 -0500

In Chalkhills Digest 2-22, Richard Aaron Manfredi wrote:

> By the way, I remember seeing a "Drums And Wires" t-shirt a few years ago in
> a catalouge that I got from "Rolling Stone."  Does anyone know this comapny,
> or any company that seels this shirt?

I happen to have the shirt in question. I got it in a now defunct record
shop in Boston in 81 or 82. It's yellow with the d+w cover art on the front
with slightly different shades of green and purple. Believe it or not it is
still wearable as I have babied it like a piece of artwork (which it is).
The tag says "Screen Stars" but that's likely the maker of the shirt. I'll
keep my eyes open. BTW, I'd be the first in line for a Chalkhills shirt!

You're only lit once...

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Date: 07 Nov 95 19:55:07 EST
From: candl <70004.2001@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Then She Appeared?

BObannon@aol.com wrote:

>>all you have to do is glance through the XTC catalog to find that "Dear
God" is not Andy's first attack on Christianity/God; in fact, he has taken
several swipes at the religion throughout his career. Here are some
examples:<<

[examples deleted]

>>It is obvious that Andy is no friend of Christianity/God, and that "Dear
God" is simply the culmination of his misplaced anger and cynicism toward
God. The real question is not whether Andy believes or not, because he
clearly does not, but why does this issue come up so often in his music?
Why is he so nagged by something he doesn't believe in?<<

I think Andy is more angry and cynical with religious believers and poeple
in general than with gd. You can say he writes of religion in a bad light,
yet he also writes of prayer ("Who'll pray for Peter Pumpkinhead", "they
huddled there in petalled prayer") etc. "Dear God" is a kind of a prayer
itself.  And you can't say that Andy does not "believe in Gd", for what is
"Then She Appeared" if not the manifestation of the Divine Presence, fer
Gad's sake! I mean, "cherubim cheered"? C'mon! This goes for "Your Gold
Dress","Mermaid Smiled", and "Season Cycle" as well. Andy doesn't seem to
disbelieve in Gd as much as he disbelieves in people:

Jason and the Argonauts
The Man Who Sailed Around His Soul
Gold
Human Alchemy
This World Over
Toys
Across This Antheap
The Ugly Underneath  &c &c

This is why I previously wrote, at the end of XTC's "Dear God", I always
see the kid pointing at *us*, the audience. We are the ones responsible for
most of the evils on this planet! Andy criticizes those religious believers
who try to put *their* beliefs on others while disregarding the sufferings
of other people. The Church has always put the hereafter in front of people
to make them forget their lot and accept their suffering. "I don't believe
in heaven and hell" is more of a political statement than a religious one.
And "Travels in Nihilon" is a cry over the shallowness of the age, the
absense of religion, compassion and depth, not a poke at religion itself.

Sorry about going on, but one of the things I like about XTC is their
"musical salutes" to the Divine Presence. Excuse the pun, but some of their
music is "heavenly".

Sam

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 20:21:44 -0800
From: Kevin Collins <kevcol@teleport.com>
Subject: non-XTC XTC-stuff

>From: richard.pedrettiallen@octel.com (Richard Pedretti-Allen)
>
>Do not bother with the following web site: http://www.blah.blah.blah.com
>Although it is called "Club XTC" it contains nothing about the band.
>It's just some divot trying to be clever (19 years too late).

Indeed- I have gone on IRC about a dozen times and started up a channel
entitled #XTC_Fan_Club_Andy_Dave_Colin and the only visitor I ever had was
some girl (well, the name was- on IRC you never know!) who was conversing
with me for a bit then asked what the channel had to do with Extacy the drug
if I wasn't talking about it! When I told her who/what XTC was, she was off!

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 7 Nov 95 23:35 MST
From: philco@micron.net (Phil Corless)
Subject: T-shirt Info

I'm overwhelmed by the response I received about
doing a Chalkhills t-shirt!  I'm going to go ahead and
do it.  Here's the preliminary info:

The shirts will feature a large blowup of the chalkhills
horse, with the word Chalkhills underneath.  I'll look
through my fonts for one that seems XTC-ish....

The shirts will be a dark green with white ink.  Right now
I'm thinking forest green, but I will see what other shades
of green the shirt shop can provide.  This shop only uses
high-quality Hanes Beefy-T (100% cotton) shirts.  Sizes
range from small to XXXL.

The XXL and XXXL will be $2 extra, so if you want
those sizes, your cost will be $15.  All other sizes will
be $13.

I'm debating whether to include some sort of quote
on the back of the shirt.... The obvious problem would
be finding something that everyone would like.  The
other problem might be extra cost.  All the shirts I've
done before have just had printing on the front.  Well,
maybe I'm through debating.... I think a simple horse
and "Chalkhills" would be the best.

Here's the important part...... Send your name, address,
the sizes and quantities you want, and a check to:

Phil Corless
2401 S. Apple St., #J207
Boise, ID  83706-5197

My bank has no problem with checks from Canadian banks...
The shirts I did for my rabbit group went off to several people
in Canada, as well as one guy in Finland (he sent cash, tho).
I guess you overseas people can either send $US cash or
get money orders in $US.  I'm not sure just how that works...
I've ordered things from the Crowded House fan club in
Australia and it all works on a $US cash basis.

I won't order the shirts until all the orders are in.  Taking
into account the usual stragglers, I'm estimating two weeks
for that.  Then another ten days for the shirts to be printed,
and then a couple of days to package and mail them.

Please email me privately if you have any questions/problems!

*--------------------------------
Phil Corless
Boise, Idaho
philco@micron.net
*--------------------------------
http://www.lookup.com/Homepages/53541/home.html

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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 17:46:34 +1000 (GMT+1000)
From: Vzzzbx <h8hc035@wilbur.mbark.swin.oz.au>
Subject: 3D EP, D&W, Atheism, Gvs Dvdgeon

 #> From: richard.pedrettiallen@octel.com (Richard Pedretti-Allen)
 #> Do not bother with the following web site:
 #> http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~cvdao/
 #> Although it is called "Club XTC" it contains nothing about the
 #> band. It's just some divot trying to be clever (19 years too
 #> late).

I should point out that this isn't actually _meant_ to have anything to do
with the band.  It's a social club type thing at a uni here in Melbourne.

There's a nightclub in Melbourne that has an XTC night on Saturdays, but
that also has nothing to do with Swindonians.  :)

 #> From: 7IHd <ee92pmh@brunel.ac.uk>
 #> Does your booklet include
 #> lyrics? Mine doesn't, but they might have added a second sheet to
 #> the booklet when they re-did the back. Just wondered.

Nope, no lyrics.  Just the track listing.

Does anyone else have this [amazing] release with the _right_ tracks
listed on the back, inside cover, outside cover and CD?  Sounds like I'm
the lucky one in a million...

<regarding 3D EP>

 #> They turn up quite frequently in the UK and don't seem hugely
 #> collectable.

Odd that they'd have a copy for AUS$20.00 then.  I'll have to follow this
up, maybe it's just rare here.  :)

 #> From: "R.L.Crane" <R.L.Crane@sheffield.ac.uk>
 #> I recently read of a guy who didn't want to be buried at a
 #> church because he was an atheist.......if he was really an
 #> atheist, would he be bothered ?

Maybe he didn't want to be put in a cemetery with lots of religious
people.  Some atheists can't stand religion and like to be kept as
far from it as is possible.

For the rekkid, I'm an atheist but I'm not radical or anything.  And I
love Dear God, and I honestly can't understand why some people can't stand
to listen to the lyrics.  Closed-mindedness helps no one.  Can anyone
offer a possible explanation?

Thanks to those people who pointed out that it's Gus Dudgeon on Dear Madam
Barnum.  It's peaked my interest in Nonsvch again.  :)

Adam

--
h8hc035@wilbur.mbark.swin.oz.au

'The music business is a hammer to keep you pegs in your holes, but please
 don't listen to me.  I've already been poisoned by this industry!'
                                                          -- Andy Partridge

------------------------------

From: DAMIAN FOULGER <SPXDLF@cardiff.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 09:33:06 GMT
Subject: More God.

Thomas Long wrote:

"If the Beatles (who were bigger than God, I might add), are currently
taboo on this list, why should we have to put up with God?? I can't
remember one decent single or album by God, and there hasn't been a
tour in milleniums - kinda makes xTc's absence seem paltry by comparison,
doesn't it?"

Thomas was right.  We think that we may be talking out of our butts
since we have been rabbiting on about inane XTC topics for 3 years without
so much as a whiff of a new album or tour (though it has been written
that XTC will return and judge us for our sins, e.g. listening to
Rush and Genesis.)  Christians have been doing it for 2000 years!!
Wow!  Boy must they have talked some crap over the time.  We
Chalkhillians have brushed subjects like Colins fretless penis and
ways of helping XTC to return after only 3 years!  God's last tour,
admittedly a big one lasting 30 years didn't even have God in the
line up!  He must have been Jesus's off-stage manager or something.
Of course, like all major stars, Jesus lived too fast and burnt out
and was crucified on a cross.  Jerry Garc. and Elvis Pres. were
crucified on drugs and alcohol but the result is the same:
Martyrisation.  Perhaps we should all be writing to the great music
industry in the sky and ask them to release God from his/her contract
so he can start touring again.  It's a thought.

Flames, pillars of fire and thounder bolts to my address please.

Dames TWD

(Life is good in the greenhouse:XTC)
(You told me you saw Jesus, but I could only see a tree: Amber)

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 16:45:26 +0700
From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)
Subject: that horse/similarities

LAG2471@ACS.TAMU.EDU (worrafunny name!) wrote:
>As to concerns about possible copyright infringement that might result
>from the use of the chalkhorse on a t-shirt, since the chalkhorse is an
>illustration of an ancient angle (or saxon -- I can't keep 'em straight)
>earthwork, there shouldn't be any problem with copyrights. Anyone who
>could have held a copyright, had such a thing existed at the time, is long
>dead.

Well, you're right as regards copyright, but I think you'll find that
Uffington's a tad older than either Angles or Saxons... It is thought to be
a representation of the Celtic goddess Epona, and probably dates to the
first century BC, so it was about 500 years old by the time the sassenachs
got to that part of Britain.

---

From: Vzzzbx <h8hc035@wilbur.mbark.swin.oz.au>

>This might be a topic that's been covered millions of times here already,
>but does anyone have any XTC songs that could have been inspired by other
>songs?

Funny you should mention that because I was listening to Funk pop-a-roll
the other day and when the awooooo-ooo vocals came in at the beginning, I
instantly started thinking of (of all things) the Monkees song "Last Train
to Clarkville". The little guitar intro reminds me of something too -
something else by XTC, I think (are they taking the piss out of themselves
as well as the industry in general?) but I CAN'T... THINK... WHAT....
aaauuuggghhh!

James

James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago.

Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand
pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807

   * You talk to me as if from a distance
   * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time,
   * from another time                     (Brian Eno)

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From: 7IHd <ee92pmh@brunel.ac.uk>
Subject: God/corrections to last message
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 11:58:27 +0000 (GMT)

This is long, sorry. I won't do it again...

Before I start off on this one, I would just like to make clear the
following: I had a Christian upbringing (my parents are both very involved
in the CofE [=Church of England, for the uninitiated]), though I would
think it fair to say that I am (these days) a non-believer. So I can, I
think, see both points of view here. I don't have a major problem with
what 'Dear God' says, whatever it is trying to say, because as I see it
that is one persons view and their perfectly entitled to express it in
whatever way they see fit. I actually think there is more to 'Dear God'
than just the anti-religious message which everyone is ranting about.

Right then, here goes...

# From: BObannon@aol.com
# Subject: Nagged by God
#
# ...But all you have to do is glance
# through the XTC catalog to find that "Dear God" is not Andy's first attack
# on Christianity/God; in fact, he has taken several swipes at the religion
# throughout his career. Here are some examples:
#
# "We've seen no Jesus come and gone." -- Travels in Nihilon.

I can't get my mind round what this song is trying to say at all, so no
comment.

# "The lamb is brought to the ground under the weight of the crown, a crown
# of thorns and dark deeds, the swastika and the hammer and symbol are
# sickles that reap only weeds." -- Reign of Blows.

Not anti-God. It is perfectly fair to say that the church, notably the CofE,
was at one time controlled basically by the monarchy/upper classes as a means
of keeping the poor in their place. The church taught that the poor were so
because God made them that way, and that they would be rewarded in heaven.
This is not just me speculating, this is a historical fact. Thus the song
is complaining about the use of religion in a manner for which it surely was
never supposed to be used.

# "We're all Jesus, Buddha and the Wizard of Oz." -- Merely a Man.

You missed the "I'm all religious figures rolled into one" in the next
verse, which explains better what he's saying here. But even so this is
out of context. Read the rest of the song, (I think) he's saying 'look,
I might appear to be something completely out of your league[*], but at
the end of the day I'm just like anyone else'. I don't think this is
intended as a comment about any of the people listed in the song.

* = this seems the writer has a somewhat self-centred view of the whole
situation, which isn't what I meant, I just couldn't think of a better
way of saying it.

# "Is there a God in heaven? Everybody says join our religion, get to
# heaven. I say no thanks, why bless my soul I'm already there." -- Season
# Cycle.

Again this is a comment about religions, specifically those religions
which 'actively' recruit (knocking on doors and so on), rather than an
anti-God sentiment. I don't have a problem with asking 'Is there a God
in heaven?', such questions can only lead to healthy debate and encourage
people to think for themselves. On the other hand, I *strongly* object
to those who seek to force their beliefs on others. Religion is there for
the individual to seek out and find for themselves if/when they feel the
need to do so. Having people knock on your door/shove leaflets at you in
the street/whatever is a big turn-off, more likely to encourage people
to see all religious people as freaks than anything else.

In the context of the song, 'heaven' has a double meaning. Is there a
problem with that?

# "All of a sudden we find heaven's not there." -- All of a Sudden.

I can't really argue with this one, though note that just about every
other line in the song is not a literal physical fact, e.g. 'All of a
sudden we find the sun's gone cold'. Interpret as you will.

# " . . . a child to the virgin came; will you tell them that the reason why
# we murdered everything upon the surface of the world is so we can stand
# right up and say we did it in his name?" -- This World Over.

This is verging on pro-God. It's a serious dig at religious fanaticism and
violence carried out in the name of religion. In all cases of religious
extremism I've heard of, those concerned are merely using their so-called
religious beliefs, interpreted in their own way, as an excuse to pursue
other aims. (I could give examples but I'd no doubt open a whole can of
worms, so unless anyone here _really_ wants to discuss this, which I'd
suggest they don't...). Anyway, I wholeheartedly agree with what's said
in that quote, as would, I suspect, most people who profess any belief in
any sort of a god.

# "Jumping in Gomorrah I'm religion free." -- Jumping in Gomorrah.

Don't have the lyrics so no comment.

# It is obvious that Andy is no friend of Christianity/God, and that "Dear
# God" is simply the culmination of his misplaced anger and cynicism toward
# God. The real question is not whether Andy believes or not, because he
# clearly does not, but why does this issue come up so often in his music?
# Why is he so nagged by something he doesn't believe in?

I disagree with your conclusion. It is obvious he doesn't subscribe to
many of the religious views which are commonly banded about, but more for
the corruption that often goes with it than the 'official' religious
content, as far as I can tell from the examples you quoted.

OK so we know Andy doesn't believe in God, but I honestly don't believe
he has either (a) set out to offend anyone, or (b) even has said anything
which _should_ offend anyone, if they really stop and think about it. All
of these songs (yes, even 'Dear God') are there to be interpreted in
whichever way suits the listener. Don't let the 'official' beliefs of the
writer get in the way of this.

Very quickly before I go,

# From: 7IHd <ee92pmh@brunel.ac.uk>
# Subject: Officer Blue/D&W/D&Wireless
#
# I'm not convinced. In DMB I'm pretty sure it's Andy, but way back when OB
# was recorded it could have been almost anyone. I originally thought it
# might have been Barry, then I changed my mind on the accent. Any more
# guesses? Anyone _know_?

I stand corrected on both counts. Thanks everyone.

# So what you have is the intermediate version that was around between my
# copy (correct inside/on CD, wrong on booklet) and the current one (white
                                       ^^^^^^^
Should say 'back'. Then it made sense.

# # Subject: Drums & Wireless (a review)

And apologies for snipping the writers name off that bit. Sorry, must have
posted in my sleep or something.

Sorry this was so long,
Thanks for listening,
Phil
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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 09:07:18 -0800
From: Neil Goldstein <ngold@teleport.com>
Subject: No language in our logic

>From: richard.pedrettiallen@octel.com (Richard Pedretti-Allen)
>
>  Think for yourself (trust me, you're allowed to) and don't bludgeon
>  people with religious beliefs... they belong to the individual and should
>  stay that way.
>
>  I can't believe in you.

While some of your ideas are right on, I disagree with you trying to "shut
him up" about his so called religious beliefs. It doesn't sound like
evangelizing to me. I, for one, appreciate the courage which he showed in
opening the thread, and the content of his comments. I don't see where there
is a problem with this. You make a delicate and potentially interesting
thread sound like a Mac vs PC war or something. I've been reading this
digest for a year or two and have been interested in Andy's appearent
"aetheism" and am glad to see someone open it up.

Flame if you have to, but try practicing what you preach too.

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