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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 2, Number 24

                 Tuesday, 7 November 1995

Today's Topics:

                   Gangway Electric...
                      Nagged by God
                          TD II
                        Dear God!
                     non-XTC Website
                  Drums & Wires T-Shirt
                       Officer Blue
                   Andy and Pat Travers
                         Oh, God!
                   tape trades, anyone?
                        Re: Primus
                 No language in our logic
                 T-shirt and other things
                 The Skinny on "Demos 6"
                       Talking Drum
               Officer Blue/D&W/D&Wireless
                     T-Shirt Interest
                    Drums and Drumless
                 Re: Disliking XTC-songs
               Uh-oh, Philosophical alert !
               Re: Chalkhills Digest #2-23

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Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 00:23:25 -0800
From: hbmus047@dewey.csun.edu (Ian Dahlberg)
Subject: Gangway Electric...

Hey ho,

        Does anyone know if Andy finished "Gangway, Electric Guitar Coming
Through"?  I'd love to hear the completed demo if it exists at all.
        Thought:  I think some bands ought to try covering some of those
floating, homeless, yet pure Xtc genuis demos; ie: "Young Cleopatra", "Red
Rocking Horse" "Terrorism".  Just to hear a fully produced version of any
of those would be total ear candy for me.  Justa thought.

                                                        Ian

Mystery XTC lick
Ta figger it out, you gotsta play it!

E-----------------------------------------------------8-10------
B------7-8-7-------------------------------------8-10-----------
G--7-9-------9-7---------------------5--5--8==9-----------------
D-----------------6=5---5-5--------5----------------------------
A----------------------------7==8-------------------------------
E---------------------------------------------------------------

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From: BObannon@aol.com
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 11:17:36 -0500
Subject: Nagged by God

I know most of you are tired of the Dear God discussions, but bear with me
as I add a point that hasn't been made yet. In discussions about this song,
I see many XTC lovers attempting to rationalize an explanation that makes
Andy seem to be not quite as hard on God as he appears to be, or that he's
just taking on a different persona. But all you have to do is glance
through the XTC catalog to find that "Dear God" is not Andy's first attack
on Christianity/God; in fact, he has taken several swipes at the religion
throughout his career. Here are some examples:

"We've seen no Jesus come and gone." -- Travels in Nihilon.

"The lamb is brought to the ground under the weight of the crown, a crown
of thorns and dark deeds, the swastika and the hammer and symbol are
sickles that reap only weeds." -- Reign of Blows.

"We're all Jesus, Buddha and the Wizard of Oz." -- Merely a Man.

"Is there a God in heaven? Everybody says join our religion, get to
heaven. I say no thanks, why bless my soul I'm already there." -- Season
Cycle.

"All of a sudden we find heaven's not there." -- All of a Sudden.

" . . . a child to the virgin came; will you tell them that the reason why
we murdered everything upon the surface of the world is so we can stand
right up and say we did it in his name?" -- This World Over.

"Jumping in Gomorrah I'm religion free." -- Jumping in Gomorrah.

In addition, Scissor Man seems to poke fun at the idea of a God who
punishes wicked people, and other songs make more ambiguous references to
Christianity (I Bought Myself a Liarbird, Paper and Iron, Peter
Pumpkinhead).

It is obvious that Andy is no friend of Christianity/God, and that "Dear
God" is simply the culmination of his misplaced anger and cynicism toward
God. The real question is not whether Andy believes or not, because he
clearly does not, but why does this issue come up so often in his music?
Why is he so nagged by something he doesn't believe in?

"Who's pushing the pedals on the season cycle?" -- Andy Partridge.

Bob O'Bannon
BObannon@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 14:29:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Hooker <hooker2@MARSHALL.EDU>
Subject: TD II

Chalkies,

No, I have not posted for a while, and no, I have not bought TD (I). I am
a bit scared, because I do not find many of the permormers on TD I to be
all that good (my opinion). However, if I could plan the running order of
TD II...

Brian Wilson and Van Dyke Parks: Wrapped in Grey
David Bowie: Battery Brides
Crazy World of Arthur Brown: I Set Myself on Fire
Ray Davies: Little Lighthouse
Ministry: Mekkanic Dancing (Oh we go!)
Sting: This World Over
Beatles: Pink Thing
U2 (and 3 special friends): Thanks For Christmas
Manic Street Preachers: Invisible Sun

Enjoy!!
--Andy

????????????????????????????Andrew Hooker????????????????????????????????????

                 URL:  HTTP://WWW.MARSHALL.EDU/~HOOKER2/
                     E:mail HOOKER2@MUVMS6.WVNET.EDU
                           HOOKER2@MARSHALL.EDU
                Marshall University; Huntington, WV; USA

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From: JohnL16506@aol.com
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:35:10 -0500
Subject: Dear God!

"Christopher R. Coolidge" <ccoolidg@moose.uvm.edu> writes:

>>>>I submit that if you can imagine that something exists, it exists
in some form; maybe not exactly the way that you imagined it, but
nonetheless it exists because someone needed it to. There is nothing
that exists that we can't conceive of; by saying something doesn't
exist gives it the same energy as saying it does! My central point is:
if God didn't exist in some form(by this I mean a higher creative
power, not any one institutional interpretation)we'd be completely
oblivious of the very idea. Non-existence means exactly that. You
can't conceive of something that doesn't exist, and you can't make
something up out of thin air.<<<<<

But that doesn't make it true.

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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 10:51:29 -0800
From: richard.pedrettiallen@octel.com (Richard Pedretti-Allen)
Subject: non-XTC Website

  Do not bother with the following web site:

  http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~cvdao/

  Although it is called "Club XTC" it contains nothing about the band.

  It's just some divot trying to be clever (19 years too late).

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From: g.giusti@area.it (Giovanni Giusti)
Subject: Drums & Wires T-Shirt
Date: 06 Nov 1995 18:59:29 GMT
Organization: area bbs

In Chalkhills Digest 2-22, Richard Aaron Manfredi wrote:

> By the way, I remember seeing a "Drums And Wires" t-shirt a few years ago in
> a catalouge that I got from "Rolling Stone."  Does anyone know this comapny,
> or any company that seels this shirt?

No, but you will sure remember that that T-Shirt was worn by Andy Summers
in one of Police's first videos, don't you?

:-)

G.

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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:28:34 -0600 (CST)
From: kimw@rice.edu (Kim E. Williams)
Subject: Officer Blue

Re: Elizabeth Noseworthy <enosewor@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>

#> Who is it that says 'Is this the right
#> tempo we're at at the moment?' at the start of 'Officer Blue'?

I wish I knew, it's the same voice that says 'Ladies and gentlemen,
presenting for the very last time' in Dear Madam Barnum.  I always thought
it was Andy, but I've never heard him speak normally.  :)

I don't know who says "Is this the right tempo for this" but I do know it
wasn't the same person who says the "Ladies and Gentlemen..." because
that's Gus Dudgeon.  His credit is on the song credits for Nonsuch.  I
always figured it was more likely Colin, since it is his song.
Oh, well, that's my two cents.
Kim

 - Stick a fork in me - I'm done. (Voodoo Mark Band -Fighting)

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From: Peter Murray <pmurray@frontier.canrem.com>
Organization: CRS Online's Frontier
Subject: Andy and Pat Travers
Date: 06 Nov 1995 20:22:20 GMT

When I read the XTC bio (Chalkhills and Children) several months
ago, I was very intrigued about the bit on Pat Travers inviting Andy
to join his band.
XTC and Pat Travers are both big faves of mine, but they seem to
me to have very little in common. I can't help entertaining devilish
fantasies about what might have happened if Andy had said yes. Of
course the obvious tragedy would have been the probable non-involvement
of Dave Gregory. In retrospect the pairing seems preposterous.
But hey--we could have had Andy, Pat, Colin and Tommy
Aldridge in one band! Or Andy, Pat, Mars Cowling and Terry Chambers!
Most likely Andy thought that Pat Travers was a boorish hoser
guitar wanker and told him to piss off.
In any case, does anybody have in other info about this connection?
Was any contact maintained between Andy and Pat? Do they like
each other's music?

P.S. For the non-initiated, "Go For What You Know - Live" by the
Pat Travers Band remains the funkiest bluesy rock and roll live album
ever, with intensity to spare and great musicianship.

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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 12:34:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Thomas Long <tlong@unixg.ubc.ca>
Subject: Oh, God!

If the Beatles (who were bigger than God, I might add), are currently
taboo on this list, why should we have to put up with God?? I can't
remember one decent single or album by God, and there hasn't been a tour
in milleniums - kinda makes xTc's absence seem paltry by comparison,
doesn't it?

sorry to disturb you, thomas

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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 17:33:25 -0400
From: mtownsend@interramp.com (Michael Townsend)
Subject: tape trades, anyone?

I have a copy of the promotional lp Geffen sent to radio stations called
"The Skylarking Interview with Andy Partridge."  It's a 60-minute record --
has all the songs from the album, with Andy talking about how they were
written, what they're about, what it was like working with Rundgren, etc.

I'd be glad to put this on tape for anyone who'd like to trade...say, for a
tape of "Drums & Wireless" or the demos collection or something else I
don't have.

Reply by email please.

(I also have a similar disc of Elvis Costello's "Almost Blue" if anyone's
interested).

-mt

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From: ChrisMezzo@aol.com
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 16:42:07 -0500
Subject: Re: Primus

>   I was just wondering what anyone else thought of Primus' version of
"Nigel"?  It's off their "Miscellanous Debris" EP, a collection of covers.
I think that it's one of their best songs, and a surprisingly straight-
forward version of the original.  Les Claypool has said that Colin was one
of his bass idols growing up, so I guess that's pretty good company.  I
think it ranks as maybe better than anything off of ATD.  Comments?

Honestly I heard Primus' version about a year before I heard the original,
and thought as a cover it was quite faithful; was expecting the real XTC
version to be different, but aside from tempo and a slightly more frenetic
feel, they're quite alike...

A good song will sound good no matter who does it (in the best case), so
Nigel must simply be THAT good of a song to withstand a cover by such a
"unique" band as Primus. Like 'em both.

C

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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 14:40:51 -0800
From: richard.pedrettiallen@octel.com (Richard Pedretti-Allen)
Subject: No language in our logic

  Sorry, Chris but if you're done with the soapbox I'd like to use to get
  above this BS before it stains the leather.

  > There is nothing that exists that we can't conceive of; by saying
  > something doesn't exist gives it the same energy as saying it does!
  > You can't conceive of something that doesn't exist, and you can't make
  > something up out of thin air.

  Never had an original idea, eh?  I don't believe it!  Did someone feed you
  all of this drivel, or did you think it up on your own?  Go ponder
  chickens and eggs or Abbott and Costello routines.

  You imply that there is no possibility of original thought or innovation!
  How do you explain technological advances, "god" (represented through a
  variety of religions), 10-ounce newborns (that live), extended average
  life expectancy, clever metaphors like "Dear Madam Barnum", double
  entendres like "Pink Thing" and the playlist on Drums and Wires?

  > but if there's no "God," then the basic laws of physics don't apply
  > either, and the universe could have already collapsed in on itself and
  > we won't have noticed.

  Are you mixing medications?!

  It is an insult to people in general to say that nothing can be original.
  Save the theological poop for Sunday school debates.  Enjoy the enigmatic
  (it can cause you to think).  Physics are provable (at least
  mathematically), "Gods" and other theoretical phantasms are not.  That is
  not to say that they do not or cannot exist, which is the viewpoint Mr. P
  is trying to put forth.

  Think for yourself (trust me, you're allowed to) and don't bludgeon
  people with religious beliefs... they belong to the individual and should
  stay that way.

  I can't believe in you.

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Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 17:57:53 -0500 (EST)
From: COUNTESS CHOCULA <PALM1624@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu>
Subject: T-shirt and other things
Organization: SUNY at Plattsburgh, New York, USA

Date sent:  6-NOV-1995 17:47:07

Ok. I don't think there would be any problems with the list making its own
t-shirt because 1. the person who does decide to silkscreen the shirts
(anyone out there want to volunteer?) shouldn't ask for any more money than
what is needed to make an indivdual shirt, and possibly shipping and
handling. In other words, this shouldn't be for profit. 2. As was already
mentioned, the chalkhorse picture comes from an old sign, so XTC and/or
Virgin records does not have any copyright on it--have you ever seen a TM
or an R after the chalkhorse? No. 3. As far as I know, XTC does not have an
actual song or an actual anything called Chalkhills. Even if they did,
several bands use the same song titles and whatnot over and over and
there's usually never any trouble--ie. Blur and The Beatles both having a
song called Come Together, Siouxsie And The Banshees and Peter Murphy both
having a song called Cascade. I don't think we'd have anything to worry
about with Virgin or anybody else if somebody were to make this shirt. As
long as nobody's making a profit off of it, it should be ok.

I was going to say something else, but now I can't remember it--damn.
Here's one thing I'd like to add to all this Dear God rambling (don't get
mad at me if I get the quote wrong; it's been a while since I've seen this
particular episode of The Young Ones):

Rick: Sorry, you have the wrong house--I don't believe in God.

Missionary Lady: Well then how do you know His name, you bastard?

And that is all I have to say about that.

                                 --Tracy

"Start the world, I want to get back on"
                    --Carter USM

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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 17:57:40 -0600
From: jh3@ns.cencom.net (JH3 Unlimited, Ltd.)
Subject: The Skinny on "Demos 6"

Dear Chalkers:

Since I haven't seen a track listing in Chalkhills or the discography for
the Japanese "Demos 6: Skylarking Demos and Others" CD from eXtaTiC, I
thought it would be nice if someone would post one. Namely, me!

For those of you who actually care what I think, I'll add a few short
expository comments.

For some reason the folks behind these discs have decided, as of this
release, to put the actual CD title on the disc itself rather than a
randomly-chosen song title (or portion thereof) from one of the
included tracks.

Tracks 1-11 are "Skylarking" demos, with a few tracks left out.  The
quality is not bad; better than the cassette I have now of this stuff,
at least. I think these were done on four-tracks, shortly before Andy
and Colin bought nicer home recording equipment.

1.  Summer's Cauldron (More guitars, not as silky-sounding)
2.  Grass (Rougher, more Beatlesque, but mostly the same)
3.  The Meeting Place (Very rough! No drums)
4.  That's Really Super, Supergirl (Basically the same)
5.  Ballet for a Rainy Day (Different lyrics, more guitars, and
    excessive high-hats! What's with those high-hats?)
6.  1,000 Umbrellas (Similar arrangement but with synths
    instead of real strings)
7.  Season Cycle (More of an acoustic version)
8.  Big Day (Quite different; more droning, I'd say)
9.  Mermaid Smiled (Musically the same, but this was recorded
    before the lyrics were written, so Andy just goes "Dah
    dah dah nah nah nah naaaah" through the whole thing)
10. Dying (Different vocal melody...sounds off-key...)
11. Sacrificial Bonfire (No strings, otherwise simlar)

"Skylarking" outtakes

12. Gangway Electric Guitars (sic; I think it's supposed to
    be "Guitar" ... If you've never heard this one, it might
    have worked on "The Big Express" but probably too rough
    and not weather-related enough for "Skylarking")
13. Ban the Bomb (I've never heard this one... an instrumental;
    it's hard to believe this is XTC -- sounds like a country
    hoedown square-dance number.. I kind of like it, actually...)

Miscellaneous additional stuff

14. Do You Really? (From the old Helium Kidz demos... basic
    Britboogie number, but better than much of the "Demos 4"
    stuff... I never liked Steve Hutchins' voice...You can
    hear Andy doing backup vocals at least)

15. Quicksilver (Much better... This is actually XTC, though
    I wonder if that's Jon Perkins and not Barry on keyboards.
    Not such a bad recording, either. Hey, does anybody have
    that old Stadium Dogs LP? I have lots of stuff to trade...
    This sounds vaguely like "Love on the Airwaves", especially
    the thump-thump-thump bassline...)

16. Collideascope (A bit rough--bass is mixed too loud, guitar
    too low, but hey, it's Colin's song)

17. This is the End (from "The Bull With the Golden Guts", and
    I don't think they had a first-generation dub if you know
    what I mean. Sounds like an "Oranges & Lemons"-era number,
    recorded on more than 4 tracks)

I might add that I bought this disc from the folks at Alibi Records (see
earlier digests), who apparently have some friends in Japan, and who didn't
rip me off in any way (unless you count the high cost of import CD's in
general). That Nick fella's a real standup guy!

But don't all call him at once.

-- John H. Hedges
  "Signature files are for goofballs"
                       --Rene Descartes

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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 16:44:13 -0800
From: relph (John Relph)
Subject: Talking Drum

Vzzzbx <h8hc035@wilbur.mbark.swin.oz.au> writes:
>
> #> Who is it that says 'Is this the right
> #> tempo we're at at the moment?' at the start of 'Officer Blue'?

I am pretty sure that's Terry Chambers.

>I wish I knew, it's the same voice that says 'Ladies and gentlemen,
>presenting for the very last time' in Dear Madam Barnum.  I always thought
>it was Andy, but I've never heard him speak normally.  :)

That voice, on the other hand, is Gus Dudgeon (of the most excellent
fashion sense).

> #>        + CD, Virgin UK, CDV 2129, 1990?.  front cover has
> #>          ``Compact Price'' stripe and white border, back cover yellow,
> #>          correct track listing. reissue.
>
>...but my copy doesn't have the 'Compact Price' stripe, or the white
>border, and the back cover is the same as the front with different colours
>[I assume this is in the style of the original D&W release on vinyl].

Yes, and I'll have to add yet another listing to the discography.  And
I suppose another question to the FAQ as well.

	-- John

--
Subvert the dominant paradigm.

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From: 7IHd <ee92pmh@brunel.ac.uk>
Subject: Officer Blue/D&W/D&Wireless
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 01:42:19 +0000 (GMT)

# From: Vzzzbx <h8hc035@wilbur.mbark.swin.oz.au>
# Subject: Colin; Bonus Tracks; D&W Freak number 342987523
#
#  #> Who is it that says 'Is this the right
#  #> tempo we're at at the moment?' at the start of 'Officer Blue'?
#
# I wish I knew, it's the same voice that says 'Ladies and gentlemen,
# presenting for the very last time' in Dear Madam Barnum.  I always thought
# it was Andy, but I've never heard him speak normally.  :)

I'm not convinced. In DMB I'm pretty sure it's Andy, but way back when OB
was recorded it could have been almost anyone. I originally thought it
might have been Barry, then I changed my mind on the accent. Any more
guesses? Anyone _know_?

# Okay, now to the Drums And Wires bit... my copy [which I ordered from the
# UK and received a few weeks ago] is different to all those listed in the
# Discography.  The closest one to it is:
#
#  #>        + CD, Virgin UK, CDV 2129, 1990?.  front cover has
#  #>          ``Compact Price'' stripe and white border, back cover yellow,
#  #>          correct track listing. reissue.

The above sounds like the currently available one, and I think it is a lot
more recent that 1990, since I only bought my D&W CD in around '92-'93 and
I still got the one with a load of mistakes on the back (as described in
a previous digest). I would estimate the white-bordered version to have
appeared around late '93-early '94, but that's just a wild guess.

Incidently, the booklet with my copy says (p) 1979 (c) 1985 inside it.
[Go2 also says (c) 1985, White Music, Black Sea & Mummer all say (c) 1987,
the rest only have the original dates]. I know CDs were starting to find
their way into the mainstream by 1987, but how common were they back in
'85? This seems like a very long time ago, I was 11 and I don't think I'd
_heard_ of CDs then!

# ...but my copy doesn't have the 'Compact Price' stripe, or the white
# border, and the back cover is the same as the front with different colours
# [I assume this is in the style of the original D&W release on vinyl].
#
# All the tracks are listed correctly, but Limelight is attributed to Andy.
# I know something's wrong here, because my copy of the No Thugs single
# [with the funky stage and cut-out characters] says Colin wrote it.

So what you have is the intermediate version that was around between my
copy (correct inside/on CD, wrong on booklet) and the current one (white
border etc.). I think all that happened is they re-did the back cover of
the one I've got to have the correct track list. Does your booklet include
lyrics? Mine doesn't, but they might have added a second sheet to the
booklet when they re-did the back. Just wondered.

Oh yeah, my D&W says Andy wrote 'Limelight' too. I'd never really
questioned it to be honest!

# Oh... one more thing.  I managed to pick up a copy of the 3D EP [yup,
# original 12 inch] for AUS$1.00 [ I think that's about 40-60p in the UK,
# 60-80c in the US, and $1.20-1.40 in NZ, in case you're not sure of
# Australian currency].  The record itself is immaculate, not a scratch on
# it.  The cover's a bit worn, but it's not creased or anything.

They turn up quite frequently in the UK and don't seem hugely collectable.
(Personally I haven't got one, don't see much point since all the tracks
are on the White Music CD).

# Subject: Drums & Wireless (a review)
#
# Finally, a question:  "Scissor Man" and "Another Satellite" on Rag & Bone
# Buffet are also BBC sessions.  Has XTC made any other BBC recordings,
# notably in the wake of Nonsuch?

This discussion has been done a while back. I'm not sure if there were
any Nonsuch-related radio sessions, but I seem to remember reading there
are enough BBC sessions stashed away for a volume 2. Also that the BBC
had lost some of the tapes!

ttfn,
Phil  (in danger of becoming ubiquitous)
  _
 |_)|_ *|
 |  | )||   http://http2.brunel.ac.uk:8080/~ee92pmh/
 ========

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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 95 22:34 MST
From: philco@micron.net (Phil Corless)
Subject: T-Shirt Interest

If anyone is really interested in a Chalkhills t-shirt
with the chalk horse logo in white ink on a dark green
shirt, please e-mail me privately.  I need to have at
least 12 shirts to get the volume discount.  The shirts
would be $13 (that's $11 for the shirt, $2 for postage).

Let me know and I'll get started on this right away!

*--------------------------------
Phil Corless
Boise, Idaho
philco@micron.net
*--------------------------------
http://www.lookup.com/Homepages/53541/home.html

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From: Gene_Yoon@brown.edu
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 02:31:41 -0500
Subject: Drums and Drumless

> #> Who is it that says 'Is this the right
> #> tempo we're at at the moment?' at the start of 'Officer Blue'?
>
>I wish I knew, it's the same voice that says 'Ladies and gentlemen,
>presenting for the very last time' in Dear Madam Barnum.  I always thought
>it was Andy, but I've never heard him speak normally.  :)

Good ol' Terry Chambers is the one asking about the right tempo.  (So says
Andy Partridge--though I can't remember where he was quoted exactly.)

Gus Dudgeon is the ringmaster in Madam Barnum's Circus.

>From: pgm2@cornell.edu (Peter Mullin)
>
>songs that didn't really work for me on the first (few) listen(s) (such as
>'Rook',

'Rook' still doesn't work for me, but I have a feeling if someone else lent
it some better vocals I could enjoy it.  Andy has a decent voice, but I
think this one is stretching his limits a bit.  He has to really belt it so
that he can sing the high notes with his chest voice (I'd have to do that
too), when really everything should be soft and subtle.

There are similarities between Andy's voice and that of Paul McCartney,
except McCartney's can be light and gentle, almost bouncy (think of "For No
One" or "Blackbird").  The closest Andy gets to that quality is with
Ladybird, truly one of his loveliest.  In Rook, his singing sounds like a
lot of effort, strained, a bit too nasal, like in the part "Who @murrrders@
who...."  It's hard for me to listen to, especially since the vocals are so
much up front.  And I really *want* to listen to it, since Andy thinks it's
one of his best.  At best, it's a nice poem put to plodding, tired music.
I try for thirty seconds, but I end up skipping to That Wave.

Rook might win me over if Harriet Wheeler of The Sundays or Kate Bush were
singing it.

Gene
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ __ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
______________my karma ran over my dogma______________

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From: markus gruber <h9150394@obelix.wu-wien.ac.at>
Subject: Re: Disliking XTC-songs
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 10:21:13 +0100 (MET)

Hi, Klaus Bergmaier from Austria is trying to participate again. The
discussion about disliking certain XTC-songs seems a little grotesque.
It's only natural that you can't like every single song of an artist or
group. But to me it sounds strange, that a lot of you seem to dislike
especially Colin's tunes. I do like all of his tunes best, most of all on
"Nonsuch" where all his 4 contributions are (IMO) better than the rest of
the album (maybe with the exception of ROOK). But discussing things like
this is not really the most intelligent waste of time, as the design of
TD Part 2 is not, too. But if there will ever be something like that I
would like to cotribute "Washaway" with my group "Big Apple", that can be
heard soon on "Beatown"'s list of XTC-esque bands with samples from our
recent album "Strange Kind of Ecstasy", the title referring more to the
Swindonians than to drugs or simply being in ecstasy. Save us from the
ball and chain. Bye, Klaus

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From: "R.L.Crane" <R.L.Crane@sheffield.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 09:30:47 +0000
Subject: Uh-oh, Philosophical alert !

Hi

Christopher Coolidge wrote.......

>   Speaking of "Dear God," I agree with Andy's assessment that it wasn't
> quite what he meant to say,

How kind....could you do otherwise ? :-)

> but I suspect that what he did mean to say
> I'd take exception to even more.

Fair enough.   Christian, perchance ?    Okay, okay, don't get riled.
Me, too.....sort of.

> As it stands, however, it's the oldest
> trick in the book to tell a God you don't believe in that you don't believe
> in Him.

Which is a weird paradox, ain't it ?   Telling something you know
doesn't exsist that He doesn't exsist seems like a waste of breath.

>We're The Smartest Monkeys, aren't we?

On the whole, I'd rather be a gorilla.  True !

> My central point is: if God didn't exist in some form(by this I mean a
> higher creative power, not any one institutional interpretation)we'd be
> completely oblivious of the very idea. Non-existence means exactly
> that. You can't conceive of something that doesn't exist, and you can't
> make something up out of thin air.

A valid point, but consider this.....the only trully heathen i.e.
Godless, races (isolated by geography, usually) by a staggering
coincidence are in the only geographical regions devoid of indiginous
hallucinogenic plants........interesting, huh ?  Does this mean God
doesn't exsist and  we're just on one huge (DNA/Racial/genetic)
flashback, or that funky fungi gave us a larger concept of self that
we called "God", or that it gave us a concept of "God" for real ?

>   Suffice to say I have philosophical differences with Andy, but so be it.

Exactly !!  Ain't it grand :-)

> but if there's no "God," then the basic laws of physics don't apply
> either,

Um......not quite sure how you manage to work that one out, I'd
appreciate an explanation, privately or otherwise.

> and the universe could have already collapsed in on itself and we
> won't have noticed.

Hmmm......I always liked this one.....Has Carl Jung got an E.mail
address?    :-)

Btw, I recently read of a guy who didn't want to be buried at a
church because he was an atheist.......if he was really an atheist,
would he be bothered ?   After all, any plot of land would have been
"godless" !

And then Christopher Burgess wrote,

> Yes, and while we're on the subject, how can anyone
> mention Nine Inch Nails and XTC in the same sentence?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't you just done the same ? :-)

Take Care

Will
            Doctor Zum Says

       EXPLORE EXPLAIN and EXPOSE
             That which is

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From: markus gruber <h9150394@obelix.wu-wien.ac.at>
Subject: Re: Chalkhills Digest #2-23
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 12:47:35 +0100 (MET)

Once more Klaus Bergmaier from Austria: Instead of dreaming of TD II we
should rather talk about Rag'n'Bone Buffet - Rare Cuts and Leftovers Part
II, something like that would be much more interesting and necessary. Bye!

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