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          Chalkhills Digest, Volume 2, Number 20

                Thursday, 2 November 1995

Today's Topics:

               SPIN Mag's Guide to Alterna
                    Songs I don't like
               Re: XTC songs I *don't* like
                         Dear God
                  The Red Curtain...hmmm
              Dear God and authorial intent
                  RE: Drums and Wireless
                     Thank you too...
                  Toad the Wet Sprocket
                    Dukes Coincidence?
                     The Kinks & XTC
            Bitchin & Whinin; Shouts-n-Mummers
               Re: Chalkhills Digest #2-19
                        Re:Covers
          Andy & Colin sounded so much alike...
                  Replies to this & that
            XTC "Live in the USA 1980" bootleg
                  Drums & Wire Playlist
                     The Bride Of TD

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Date: 1 Nov 1995 13:38:04 -0500
From: "Wesley Wilson" <Wesley_Wilson@iegate.mitre.org>
Subject: SPIN Mag's Guide to Alterna

I saw this book (see Subject: line) at lunchtime today; there is a brief
write-up on XTC and The Dukes. By the way, SPIN is an American music magazine.

Does anyone have this book? I know where I can get a copy at 20% off, so I
didn't buy it - yet.

However, in my brief perusal of the book I am put off by three things so far:

1. No mention of any of XTC's albums in their "Top 100 Alternative Albums"
(in whose opinion?) listed at the back of the book. GRRR!

2. At least one major typo. Look in the entry under "Wire."

3. "Abba" is one of the entries. They are the first entry. Are they kidding,
or what? How does Abba qualify as "alternative"?

On the plus side, what I read about Wire (I'm a big fan of "Pink Flag") was
fairly accurate. And the book does have color inside.

Wes

"Eat kosher salami!" - Joey Ramone

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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 13:45:42 -0600
From: weisrot@cscoe.ac.com (Todd Weisrock - CIS)
Subject: Songs I don't like

>I don't mean to open a Pandora's Box, but I'm wondering if there are any XTC
>songs that people *don't* like. Even though I like almost every XTC song
>ever written, I don't like "Fly on the Wall" and "Big Day" (notice that my
>dislike is equally balanced between Andy and Colin...) Anyway, do any of you
>have XTC songs that you just want to like, but can't?

While I really like "Fly on the Wall" (honestly one of my favourites!),
I know what you mean, there are songs that I just don't like.  I think
that it's one thing to be a loyal fan and another to fight human nature
and like everything.  I can't stand "Ballet for a Rainy Day".  It's
musically sound, and I appreciate it in that respect, but it is just
a little too fruity (no pun intended...) for me.  "Albert Brown" is
another that I could do without.  I'm sure there are a few more, but
I can't think of them off the top of my head.

No disrespect, as XTC is one of my all time favourite bands, along
with Rush and Alice In Chains (strange combo, I know...)

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From: smcdow@arlut.utexas.edu (Stuart McDow)
Subject: Re: XTC songs I *don't* like
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 13:50:55 -0600 (CST)

>From the keyboard of Ben Gott <BENG@hotchkiss.pvt.k12.ct.us>:
>
> I don't mean to open a Pandora's Box....

You just did. :-)

I tend to most like XTC songs that would (hypotheticly) translate into
good live songs. IMO, these tend to be the ones with good beats,
catchy hooks, (dare I say danceable?), etc, and not too many
*transitions*. I've always thought of Andy as the daredevil of song
breaks. How he does it, and how he gets away from it is amazing:
Leisure, Snowman, Shake You Donkey Up, ... the list goes on - are
great examples of how clever a good break can be.

But sometimes, it doesn't work, at least not for me. Instead of a
break, the song seems to take a 90 degree turn, leaving me crashing
into the embankment.

Cases in point: (please no flames, this is just a discussion):

Great Fire: IMO, it starts out plodding and has these abrupt
transistions. I listened to Mummur this weekend, and I still feel the
same way.

The Ugly Underneath: Starts out brilliantly, with Andy's wonderfully
snide vocals, great guitar and bass lines. It starts with the
potential to be a really mean song. The transition from the first few
bars to the "Did you ever..."  section the song just falls apart for
me.

OK, having said that, I have to say that XTC is my band. They are the
pinnacle. But XTC wouldn't be XTC unless there were at least *some*
songs we didn't like. What works for me necessarily cannot work for
everybody. My thing is rhythm and potential danceability and
singability. As you might guess, I really like their earlier stuff.

> I don't like "Fly on the Wall" and "Big Day"

See? Mass appeal. These are amongst my absolute favorites. BTW,
they're both Colin's.

> Ben

Regards,
--
Stuart McDow                                      Applied Research Laboratories
smcdow@arlut.utexas.edu                       The University of Texas at Austin

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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 15:10:50 -0500 (EST)
From: "C.L. Wood" <u9400576@muss.CIS.McMaster.CA>
Subject: Dear God

Concerning Sarah's "growl" in the climax of Dear God:

Clearly this is a matter of personal preference.  I find Sarah pushes
this sound and expression too far, to the point of being entirely
ineffective for me.  I find Andy to have a much better feel for limits.
I am, however, enjoying Sarah's mellow singing more each time I listen.

Thanks for the discussion!

Christopher

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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 15:54:08 -0500
From: pgm2@cornell.edu (Peter Mullin)
Subject:  The Red Curtain...hmmm

>Klaus Bergmaier - the greatest XTC-fan of Austria says Hi!
>This letter deals with the FAQ15 - cover versions of XTC-Songs: There is
>one cover version which is not in the list of the FAQ15-answer. It is a
>German (respectively Austrian) cover version of "Making Plans for Nigel",
>which was a minor hit in Austria in 1982. The group who performed it was
>called "Der eiserne Vorhang" which means "The Red Curtain": The Song was
>called "Franzi" which means "Frankie"...

Another Colin project (or was that member of the Dukes a "thank-you")?

BTW:  yet more suggestions for TD II (or III or IV by now, we've got so
many ideas!):

        Pere Ubu: "Across This Antheap"
        Midnight Oil: "Life is Good in the Greenhouse"
        David Byrne: "New Town Animal"
        Flaming Lips: "What in the World?"
        Ray Davies: "Bungalow"
        Bad Religion: "Jumping in Gomorrah"

        Oh, well: got to get back to work.

        Peter.

Peter Mullin
Department of Plant Pathology
Cornell University
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Ithaca, NY 14853-4203

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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 16:02:39 -0500 (EST)
From: James Poulakos <engjcp@gsusgi2.gsu.edu>
Subject: Dear God and authorial intent

Charles Grace <76460.3232@compuserve.com> wrote:
>>The singer or author or fictional character relating "Dear God" may, by
>>his words, not believe in God. But addresses him directly. Sorta like:
>>"Hey, I don't believe in you." Who? You? You talkin' to me?
>>I take the song to mean belief coupled with disbelief. He has a bone to
>>pick, and knows who to pick it with...

>I think AP has mentioned very decidedly that he does not believe in God.
>When the song came out, I remember him saying as much and saying that
>(paraphrased- it's been awhile): 'we are all worm food in the end and that's
>about it, really'.

Nevertheless the persona relating "Dear God" speaks to God--as if
struggling with the dilemma [believe or don't]. It shouldn't matter to us
what we know about AP, since we have no guarantee that AP is the persona
speaking to God in the song. AP created this persona who says "X" but
that doesn't mean AP also says "X." Could be irony, in some cases.

Sometimes we forget to separate artist from the persona the artist
creates; it's easy enough to do in songs and poetry where there aren't
necessarily clearly defined characters. Misunderstandings arise from the
confusion of artist with art object. Ozzy Osbourne [sp?] stood trial
because someone identified the persona of his song "Suicide Solution"
with him and, failing to acknowledge the irony Osbourne now claims to
have intended, chose to hold Osbourne responsible for delivering a
pro-suicide message. Osbourne said he intended an opposite effect;
without courtroom testimony we'd have been stuck with his words and music
and left to decide for ourselves whether he had gotten irony across to us
or not.

What other XTC tunes present a persona who speaks in a case of dramatic
irony (where we are meant to realize that the ultimate meaning of the
persona's words are ironic and the persona doesn't realize that what he/she
is saying reveals more than he intends)?

Right away "No Thugs in Our House" comes to mind. I love it when writers
do that. By putting words in the mouths of others, they [try to] distance
themselves from the same sentiments, sometimes to make a fool of the
persona who's speaking.

What's going on in the lyrics of "Towers of London?" It seems to
celebrate a sordid history and condemn it at the same time. Since the
stories of this song are almost all foreign to me, I confess I don't
understand it as well I wish.

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From: "Burgess, Christopher (msx)" <BURGESSC@linelnt1.light.GE.com>
Subject: RE: Drums and Wireless
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 15:19:53 -0500

Martin Wonkman wrote:

>Can someone enlighten me on the nature of the recording sessions?  (I
>haven't been able to find anything about it in the Chalkhill
>archives.)  Were the songs recorded in one take with no overdubs, or
>was a more elaborate process employed?

I don't know how much things have changed, but a band I was in did a
BBC Peel session about 5 years ago.  They get you in there bright and
early - we were supposed to be in at 10:00 on a Sunday morning.  They
set you up in a beautiful, huge room and open a cabinet with the most
amazing array of microphones you've ever seen.  Everything is layed
down on multitrack, and vocals and overdubs are done after basic
tracks are completed.

John Peel never showed up (imagine that) and our producer/engineer
was Dale Griffin - alias Buffin from Mott the Hoople.  What a jerk!  I was
looking forward to meeting him, but I had to leave the room after a while.
Bummer . . .

Hope that sheds some light.

Chris B.

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From: AngryYngMn@aol.com
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 17:53:22 -0500
Subject: Thank you too...

Yes, I saw the 'open thank you' from the Verve Pipe and I must say, "Thank
you too..." as you guys did a pretty good job of covering a song I
considered pretty difficult to cover...

Now a question I must ask: If Verve Pipe is 5 people...and this letter
came from all of you...it must have been hellish for each one of you to
type every fifth word...no?

-ira

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From: DougMash@aol.com
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 18:55:12 -0500
Subject: Toad the Wet Sprocket

Brooks Hocking brought up Toad The Wet Sprocket's mention of Andy on the
liner notes to their new disc.  I met Toad about six years ago on tour for
their second disc "Pale."  I was wearing a "Skylarking" T-Shirt & got into
a 20-minute conversation with Glen, Toad's lead singer about the virtues
of XTC.  He said (kinda like how Hootie & the Blowfish thanked R.E.M. at
the MTV Awards) that he wouldn't have started a band had it not been for
the inspiration of XTC.

I was expecting to see Toad pop up on "Testimonial Dinner," seeing that they
are on virtually every other tribute disc released this year (KISS, John
Lennon). Along with their version of "Love on a Farmboy's Wages," I fully
expect Toad & the following others on "Testimonial Dinner 2":

Robyn Hitchcock  "Extrovert"
Green Day "Respectable Street"
Billy Bragg  "Books are Burning"
Barenaked Ladies  "That's Really Super, Supergirl"
Too Much Joy (Yes, they're still around with a disc due early '96) "This is
Pop"
The The  "Ugly Underneath"
Morrissey  "Burning With Optimism's Flames"

...and how magical would a duet of Michael Jackson and Richard Pryor be,
on the auto-biographical "I'll Set Myself on Fire???"

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Date: 01 Nov 95 19:07:19 EST
From: candl <70004.2001@compuserve.com>
Subject: Dukes Coincidence?

Here's one for all you fans of creepy "hidden messages" stuff.
I'm relatively new to this list, so if some of you have heard
this one before, my apologies:

The Shuttle Challenger disaster on January 28, 1986 was a major
astro-disaster. Most people remember where they were when the
accident occured. Who can forget the image of the explosion, with
the two solid rocket motors flying off into nowhere?

What struck me as coincidental was the similarity to the album "25
O'Clock", copyright 1985, released *before* the Challenger
explosion. First, you'll need the original album, not the "Chocolate
Fireball" compilation. Look at the cover.  We see an explosion, with two
towers very similar to the solid rocket engines that went flying off the
Shuttle. The cover is uncannily like the Shuttle disaster.

Look at the songs on side one:

"25 O'Clock". This was the 25th Shuttle mission.

"Bike Ride to the Moon". An obvious parallel to a space program,
complete with an accident ("a sharp Sputnik has given me a cosmic
flat tire") at the end, just as the Challenger disaster stopped
the Shuttle program for a while.

"My Love Explodes". Well, the connection here is obvious!

Prophecy, coincidence, or ...? You could ask the Mole from the
Ministry ("undermine your world") - but I doubt he's talking! :)

Petty weird, huh?

One more thing: listened to "Nonsuch" today, Nov. 1. Is that a "Halloween"
album or what? Pumpkinhead, Chesire Cats, Clowns, "and day grows darker
everywhere". GREAT album!

Isaac Samuel, "Sam"

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From: AlBall@aol.com
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 18:01:19 -0500
Subject: The Kinks & XTC

I've recently seen a number of messages from folks about the Kinks (the
music they produced between '65 and '70), and similarities to XTC. I find
the similarities between the two groups striking, and would like to
recomend any XTCer to check out this vintage music. Apart for differences
due to recording technology at the time, the music captures the same
spirit, humor, and sentimentality that I love so much about XTC's music.

I recently saw Ray Davies perform an acoustic show at which he read from
his autobiography and performed these wonderful old songs. I had been
disaapointed in the past seeing the Kinks because they never played the
old stuff. I had given up hoping to hear these songs played live. To see
the show gave me a feeling of what it might be like to see XTC play live
again. I had a tear in my eye during the whole show; it was wonderful!

God save the Kinks and XTC!

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From: Gene_Yoon@Brown.edu
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 21:09:23 -0500
Subject: Bitchin & Whinin; Shouts-n-Mummers

>From: Ben Gott <BENG@hotchkiss.pvt.k12.ct.us>
>
>I don't mean to open a Pandora's Box, but I'm wondering if there are any XTC
>songs that people *don't* like.

Oj.  Not *that* thread again.  Groan.  Time to pull out my umbrella.
Again.  (I started writing a request that we not enter this ugly part of
the garden <again>, but who am I to direct the discussion here?)

>From: COUNTESS CHOCULA <PALM1624@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu>
>
>Like I said, I don't know if somebody
>has already done them, because there's nothing on the internet that says so
>. What does everyone think?

Cool beans.  Though I wouldn't even think of organizing such an endeavor,
let me be the first to offer a design idea.  Contest! Contest!

>To the person who was looking for the They
>Might Be Giants mailing list--I have the addy if nobody's given it to you
>yet; e-mail me and I'll give it to you.

Use your noodle: don't subscribe to this abysmal list, called
"They-Might-Be".  The discussion gets really inane (AngryYngMn will second
that opinion), maybe 10% of the discussion has any real content, all the
rest is so much yammer-babble.  I tried it for a few months but ended up
spending more time deleting messages than reading.  You should first
consider this question: If They Might Be Giants were to jump off the
Brooklyn Bridge, does that mean I should do it too?  Unless you answered in
the affirmative....

Makes one really appreciate Chalkhills, truly the best discussion group on
the Inner neh'.

Gene
	
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Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 12:28:18 +1000 (GMT+1000)
From: Vzzzbx <h8hc035@wilbur.mbark.swin.oz.au>
Subject: Re: Chalkhills Digest #2-19

 #> From: Ben Gott <BENG@hotchkiss.pvt.k12.ct.us>
 #> I'm wondering if there are any XTC songs that people *don't* like.

I have to say that 'All Along The Watchtower' annoys the proverbial out of
me.  Must be the Bob Dylan thing...

I used to despise 'Thanks For Christmas' with a passion, but it's actually
quite a good song when you get past the sanctimonious lyrics and those
'orrible chimes.

 #> I don't like "Fly on the Wall" and "Big Day" (notice that my
 #> dislike is equally balanced between Andy and Colin...)

But they're both Colin songs... never mind.  :)

 #> From: VervePipe@eworld.com
 #> We consider it a true honor to ... have a chance to pay homage to
 #> a band we consider to be the pinnacle of pop music today.

I can't wait to hear your music, especially the cover of 'Wake Up!'.
I've only seen positive comments about it in here, which is more than can
be said for the comments on most of the other TD artists.  :)

 #> From: relph (John Relph)
 #> I did find slots for L'Affaire Louis Trio in a number of
 #> stores, but all were empty.

That's more than I can find here in Australia.  Suppose it's just another
CD I'll have to have imported, after Martin Newell's '...Englishman' and
Testimonial Dinner...

Adam

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h8hc035@wilbur.mbark.swin.oz.au

'The music business is a hammer to keep you pegs in your holes, but please
 don't listen to me.  I've already been poisoned by this industry!'
                                                          -- Andy Partridge

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Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 11:52:50 GMT
From: Martin Wilson <mw25@unix.york.ac.uk>
Subject: Re:Covers

As for XTC covers how about:-

Sepultura - Across this Antheap

Pantera - Wake Up

The Brighouse and Rasrick Brass Band - Humble Daisy

Henry Rollins - Ugly Underneath

Die Krupps - Towers of London

Pearl Jam - The Disappointed

Motorhead - Train Running Low On Soul Coal

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From: Ben Gott <BENG@hotchkiss.pvt.k12.ct.us>
Subject: Andy & Colin sounded so much alike...
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 95 18:57:00 est

Sorry...I made a mistake...A very helpful Chalkhills subscriber informed me
that "Fly on the Wall" was by Colin. Oh, well.

(I lost my English Settlement insert on the day I  bought the CD, so I kinda
guessed - hope no one is deeply offended...)

B

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From: 7IHd <ee92pmh@brunel.ac.uk>
Subject: Replies to this & that
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 13:18:15 +0000 (GMT)

# From: GusMach@aol.com
# Subject: What Ruben REALLY says...
#
# "De Ruben Blades y Son del Solar
# para ti un abrazo, pa' la gente de XTC"
#
# Meaning,
#
# "From Ruben Blades and Son del Solar (his band for the last six years)
# a strong hug for you, the people of XTC".
#
# It made me smile the very first time.  Still does.

Well being stuck in the far-out wilds of London, UK, I've yet to grab a
copy of TD so I have no idea what Ruben says, so I'll assume you're right.

BUT, am I going mad, or did I spot a Ruben Blades LP in a second hand shop
the other day, and did it or did it not include Joe Jackson contributing
something or other?

(I'm probably dreaming this, I really didn't take enough notice). Anyone?

# From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)
# Subject: TD II - dream coverers
#
# - Shriekback are brought kicking and screaming into the studio to do "Great
# Fire"...

Nice idea, though I suspect if they could be persuaded to do an XTC cover
they'd pick a Colin song, Barry is/was always bigger mates with Colin than
with Andy. "Great Fire" would work though, admittedly. See also my
suggestions below.

# From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)
# Subject: XTC/Hitchcock like groups

Not much to say on this (I don't know anything much about Robyn Hitchcock,
shame on me), but notice that both bands have a Thomas Dolby connection:
Andy P. on 'Europa & the Pirate Twins' from the first album and Robyn
Hitchcock contributing some glorious nonsense to 'White City' on the
second one. But you knew that.

# From: "John Christensen" <christej@vrinet.com>
# Subject: Bring to a Boil and Cover
#
# Well, the horse has picked out his glue bottle and is leaning at the
# refractory gate . . . so here's a hastily compiled TD2 vote:
#
# The Smiths/Morrissey    1000 Umbrellas

I would boycot the CD if Morrissey was let within sight of it. Can't
stand the guy's voice, sorry. Too depressing. Too droney.

# The B-52's              Take This Town

Ditto. The B-52s would *ruin* anything XTC they came near. All of their
songs sound like 'Love Shack', why create an XTC cover which sounds the
same?

# Madness                 Red

This, however, is a decent choice. But you have to realise that madness
and Morrissey wouldn't sit happily on the same CD, their fans are sort of
mutually exclusive. (I have a poster for a Madness gig back in the '80s,
with Morrissey in support. On the first night apparently he had so much
stuff chucked at him he was forced off stage. On the second night he just
didn't bother turning up...)

Anyway, this is very silly as I don't have the first TD (yet... please?),
but here's who in my record collection could cover what songs:

Barenaked Ladies - Pale And Precious (I'm thinking of BNL's 2nd album here)
Blur - Knuckle Down / Grass (the latter chosen for the strings which Blur
  are getting into these days)
Crowded House - Wonderland
Thomas Dolby - Dear Madam Barnum
Elastica - Buzzcity Talking
Future Sound Of London - I Sit In The Snow (an instrumental version of)
Low Pop Suicide - Toys
Radiohead - The Loving
Shoulders - Dance Band  (PS: Check out this band if you're into slightly
  warped and weird folk-pop. Certain Dukes similarities. Lead singer also
  plays the trombone, what more can you ask for?)
They Might Be Giants - The Man Who Sailed Around His Soul
  (XTC should do an exchange cover of 'Lie Still, Little Bottle' and we
  could all play spot the plagarism...)
Tindersticks - 1000 Umbrellas

And I think The Hight Llamas, Pulp, REM, Shriekback, Stereolab, Paul
Weller, Suzanne Vega and Yo La Tengo should be on there, but I'm stuck as
to which songs.

# From: Ben Gott <BENG@hotchkiss.pvt.k12.ct.us>
# Subject: XTC songs I *don't* like
#
# I don't mean to open a Pandora's Box, but I'm wondering if there are any XTC
# songs that people *don't* like. Even though I like almost every XTC song
# ever written, I don't like "Fly on the Wall" and "Big Day" (notice that my
# dislike is equally balanced between Andy and Colin...) Anyway, do any of you
# have XTC songs that you just want to like, but can't?

Well I love those two, the only one I really can't stand is 'Roads Girdle
The Globe'. Oh yeah and 'Find The Fox'. I'm not a big fan of 'Red Brick
Dream', but that's mainly because it's sandwiched between so many total
classics on the rest of that album. 'Countdown To Christmas Party Time'
doesn't even class as a song, and I don't care for 'Omnibus', but that's
about the lot. (Besides, all of my *real* favourite albums have one
weak track on them...)

# From: Martin_Monkman@fincc04.fin.gov.bc.ca
# Subject: Drums and Wireless
#
# I finally broke open the piggy bank and bought a copy of "Drums and
# Wireless", the 1977-89 BBC sessions.
#
# Can someone enlighten me on the nature of the recording sessions?  (I
# haven't been able to find anything about it in the Chalkhill
# archives.)  Were the songs recorded in one take with no overdubs, or
# was a more elaborate process employed?  I suspect the former, given
# that the scant liner notes indicate that up to three songs were
# recorded in a single day (e.g. the 1989 session has "Poor skeleton",
# "Scarecrow people", and "One of the millions", all recorded March 16).

There's something in the BBC charter that says they have to produce
x amount of their own material to continue to qualify for whatever
government money they get off the licence payers. Hence radio sessions.
So what happens is the band (whoever they may be) pop along to the
recording studio for the day and whack out typically 3 or 4 tracks,
and a couple of weeks later out they go on the radio. Session done.

I suspect there's room for a couple of takes and a bit of overdubbing,
but at the end of the day it all boils down to how fast you work and
how much you can achieve in that single day. 'Live' music and overdubbed
vocals is probably a reasonable assumption.

ttfn,
Phil
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From: g.giusti@area.it (Giovanni Giusti)
Subject: XTC "Live in the USA 1980" bootleg
Date: 02 Nov 1995 13:01:56 GMT
Organization: area bbs

I am in the possession of an XTC bootleg CD recorded in 1980 during an USA
tour. The CD was produced in Italy. It's nothing special, one of the many
bootlegs from the "Black Sea" era. It's quite long though, and not badly
recorded (probably from the radio).

I am uncertain whether it would be legitimate to offer to make taped copies
of it.

The jacket contains a statement, of which I don't know the legal
relevance, saying that a bank account was set for the copyright owners,
where a certain percentage of the CD's price would be deposited for them
to pick up at any time. This crops up quite often in Italian bootlegs, so
I suppose it somewhat complies with some Italian law (they are all rather
obscure).

If any of you are in the music recording business please mail me about this
matter: I will post a digest to the mailing-list.

And if any of you would be interested in having a copy of the CD, I may
look it up in stores and/or call up the publishers, or if all else fails,
tape and send a copy of it (if it's legal).

Giovanni

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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 17:47:53 -0800
From: richard.pedrettiallen@octel.com (Richard Pedretti-Allen)
Subject: Drums & Wire Playlist

  >My copy of Drums and Wires (which is an import) has a (some) flaw(s). On
  >the insert, 12 songs are listed. On the CD, 15 songs are listed. And
  >when you put it in the player, 14 songs are indexed.

  I do believe this has been covered several times but I was listening to
  Scissor Man when I read the comment above... so...

  CD (Virgin CDV2129): When I boot up my cd, the display indicates 14
  songs.  CD printing and inserts indicate twelve songs.  There are three
  adds and Life begins at the hop is missing.

  1 making plans for nigel
  2 helicopter
  3 "DAY IN, DAY OUT" (on the disk, not the label)
    life begins at the hop (on the label, not the disk)
  4 when you're near I have difficulty
  5 ten feet tall
  6 roads girdle the globe
  7 "I'M IN THE LIMELIGHT" (on the disk, not the label)
  8 reel by reel
  9 millions
  10 that is the way
  11 outside world
  12 scissor man
  13 complicated game
  14 "CHAIN OF COMMAND" (on the disk, not the label)

  Cheers, Richard

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Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 12:05:27 -0500
From: mp2@waterw.com (Jim Kee)
Subject: The Bride Of TD

Okay Chalkies,
        I couldn't let this go on any longer without my $0.02 worth.  So
here it is: the double-cd follow up to A Testimonial Dinner, Bride of A
Testimonial Dinner.  The line-up is bands/artists I would like to hear doing
XTC covers, and the respective songs they could do best (IMHO):

Disc-1:
The Fall                This Is Pop
Deacon Blue             Towers Of London
The The                 I Am The Audience
Kirsty MacColl          Scarecrow People
Grant McLennan          One Of The Millions
The Wonderstuff         Have You Seen Jackie?
This Picture            Extrovert
James                   No Thugs In Our House
Steve Wynn              Here Comes President Kill Again
The Magnetic Fields     I'm Bugged/Beatown (medly)
Nick Heyward            The World Is Full Of Angry Young Men
The Pogues              You're A Good Man Albert Brown
Lloyd Cole              You're The Wish You Are I Had
Steve Kilbey            What In The World?
Marty Willson-Piper     Respectable Street

Disc-2:
American Music Club             Cynical Days
The Church                      Travels In Nihilon
Sisters Of Mercy                Rook
Lycia                           No Language In Our Lungs
M1 Alternative                  Mole From The Ministry
Red House Painters              Runaways
This Mortal Coil                I Remember The Sun
The Mission                     Great Fire
The Cult                        Complicated Game
Eden                            Human Alchemy
The Moon Seven Times            Chalkhills & Children
Dead Can Dance                  In Loving Memory Of A Name
Black Tape For A Blue Girl      Ballet For A Rainy Day

Just so ya know, I spent alot (too much) time on this one.
But it would be a great cd.

Later,
Jim (Kee)

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