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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 2, Number 151

                 Thursday, 29 August 1996

Today's Topics:

                       Demo Lyrics
               sex with unmentioned barbers
                Hiroyasu Yaguchi CD wanted
                 Beavis & Butthead on XTC
                     English Wirement
                    Various and sundry
                      President Kill
                      The Converted
                Dave and Andy Play Guitar
                Hair today, gone tomorrow
               Bad XTC songs? Naaahhh... :)
                    Re: Ten Feet Tall
     Nonsuch playing Cards are not quite that spiffy
"It Didn't Hurt A Bit" lyrics and ding dong ding dong, more bells!
             No bad songs/Conversion strategy
            Whenever I listen to the Dukes...
         Re: Chalkhills Digest #2-150---Two bits
                 Your Chalkhills Posting
                Sugarplastic/ Loud Family
               Yet another drummer post...
                     Survey says...!
                     XTC US following
               Knob-Dweeb question on Colin
                       Song Interps


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Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 00:21:38 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id: <>
From: Joshua Hall-Bachner <>
Subject: Demo Lyrics


        After my (rather poor) showing with the Explode Together lyrics, I'm
back with more transcriptions. Here we have the lyrics for three of Andy's
new demos. []'s surrounding a word or words mean that those words I am
uncertain of. Each ? you see within []'s means a syllable that I simply
cannot make out. Words in /'s are backing vocals. Now, I know from last time
that you guys are going to jump on my mistakes. Good! There's a reasonable
amount missing here, so all of you who have these songs take a listen and
try to figure them out yourselves.

BTW: The person who has the "official" lyrics to all of Take Away: I
e-mailed you, and like I said I would be *very* interested in seeing the
rest of those posted. Pretty please? :)

Oh, yeah, as soon as I get the second half of these demos (Thanks, Peter!)
I'll post my comments and gush about how much I can't wait to hear the next

Ummm, and I realize there are a hell of a lot of you out there who *do not*
have these demos. I'd do a tape tree if I had a high-gen copy, but
unfortunately mine's probably 17th gen or something.

Ahem. On to the lyrics:

You And The Clouds Will Still Be Beautiful:

And every morning, people, I'm awake, I walk around the world to make sure
she's alright
And every evening I put the cat out and I stir the sky to make sure it will
spin all night

For us [?] people who will scratch and still kick and bite
And I see nations war about whether right is left or whether wrong is right
And all these stones inside your head can ever [? the ?]
But no matter what the weather
You And The Clouds Will Still Be Beautiful
But no matter what the weather
You And The Clouds Will Still Be Beautiful

Any every [toy with] wooden horse like take to people will just but can't
make 'em drown
And every best deal that gets stormtroopered
"Hail To The Chief" comes rainin', rainin', rainin', rainin', rainin' down

I see people come [?] like lightning down to a summer's day
And I see nations playfully hurl snowballs packed with stolen clay
And that rain in your head could seriously put a stop to play
But no matter what the weather
You And The Clouds Will Still Be Beautiful
But no matter what the weather
You And The Clouds Will Still Be Beautiful

So let it rain

We saw flying saucers, flying cups and flying plates
And as we tripped down lover's lane we sometimes bump into the gate
And all that thunder in your head could still reverberate
But no matter what the weather
You And The Clouds Will Still Be Beautiful
But no matter what the weather
You And The Clouds Will Still Be Beautiful

I'd Like That:

I'd Like That if we could cycle down some lane
I'd like that if we could ride into the rain
Our macks getting wet
I'd be your Albert if you'd be Victoria, hah hah
We'd laugh because each drop would make me grow up
Really high, really high like a really high thing
Say, a sunflower

I'd like that

I'd like that /What would you like?/ if we could lay before my fire
I'd like that /What would you like?/ if you could slide me from this wire
Toasting [?], can't be done
I would be Hector if you'd be Helen of Troy, oh boy
We'd laugh because each flame would make me grow up
Really high, really high like a really high thing
Say, a sunflower

I'd Like that

I'd smile so much my face would crack in two
And you could fix it with your kissing [blue]
I'd like that
Yes, I'd like that

I'd like that /what would you like?/ if we could float away in bed
I'd like that /what would you like?/ if I could row your heart and head
With you laying on one arm
I'd be your Nelson if you'd be my Hamilton, what fun
We'd laugh because each stroke would make me grow up
Really high, really high like a really high thing
Say, a sunflower (repeats)

/Say a sunflower I became
I'd be growing in your brain/

/---------------------------Joshua Hall-Bachner---------------------------\
|   |
| "Life is like a jigsaw. You get the straight bits, but there's something|
\-----missing in the middle."--XTC, "All Of A Sudden (It's Too Late)"-----/


Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 02:47:47 -0500 (EST)
From: Brookes McKenzie <>
Subject: sex with unmentioned barbers
Message-id: <01I8OCMQG3Z6BRJY2G@SMITH>


		misunderstood lyrics revisited

first off - to Erich Sellheim - thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you,
thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you,
thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you,
thank you, thank you! for the lyrics for "shore leave" and "commerciality".
two of my favorite songs decoded - and the funny thing about my mishearing
is that it wasn't *that* far off, and actually makes more sense, if less
poetry, than the original (!). as for the rest of them, if you have the
time, i have the obsession.

another thing: remember that author, Mervyn Peake, that AP loves so much?
well last year i found three books by him collected in an omnibus edition
called _The Ghormenghast Trilogy_. i bought it in Vancouver, but it was
published by Mandarin Books (or Press, can't remember which) in the U.K.
well, just recently i finally got around to reading it and, surprise,
surprise - it's really, *really* good. strange, even bizarre in places -
the first book (_Titus Groan_ if you're looking for them separately)
is my favorite, but the second (_Ghormenghast_) is also excellent,
but the third (_Titus Alone_) IMO is too allegorical and doesn't fit
with either the style or the direction of the first two books (Peake
had a nervous breakdown between the 2nd and 3rd books, and it definitely
shows). But the first two are wonderful - dark, *dark* fantasy, in places
very funny, written in an unusual but very effective style, with really
weird character names - Steerpike, Flay, Swelter, and Flannelcat are
some that spring to mind. I would quote to give a feel of what they're
like, but i've lent the book to my little (aged 12) brother - there is
something a little bit childlike about them, especially _Titus Groan_,
but childlike in the way that _The Hobbit_ is childlike - using the
emotions and thoughts of childhood to convey very deep and adult ideas.
AP does a very similar thing a lot of the time (too many songs to pick
just one) - i can totally see why he likes Peake. i'm also impressed by
his taste - Peake is challenging yet v. rewarding.

ANYway (not meaning to sound like a PR firm!) - as a random aside - where
is Hans de Vente in the Mummer cd booklet? or did you mean "inner sleeve"
literally, as in, "on the album only"? when i first read that, before i
went and got my cd, i had a confused thought that it had something to
do with "Me and the Wind" (with a vague "In Loving Memory of a Name" hovering
in the back of my head as well). enlighten us, please.

	- brookes "sgt. pepper's one and only lonely hearts club band"


Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 16:47:38 -0400
Message-ID: <>
Subject: Hiroyasu Yaguchi CD wanted

Hello. I am looking for the CD by Hiroyasu Yaguchi called "Gastronomic" that
was released in Japan in 1988. Andy Partridge, of course, plays on this CD.
If anyone has this for trade or sale please e-mail me. I would also be
willing to settle for a taped copy of "Gastronomic". Thanks for your help.



Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 17:54:05 -0400
Message-ID: <>
Subject: Beavis & Butthead on XTC

Beavis:  XTC sucks!
Butthead:  XTC's cool, dillweed!
Beavis:  They sing about stuff that sucks.
Butthead:  Uh, Pink Thing is about a dude wanking his wiener. heh heh.
Beavis:  Oh yeah, heh heh, that's cool, heh heh.
Butthead:  And Grass is, uh, about like people doing it in the park.
Beavis:  Heh heh, I'd like to watch that, heh heh.
Butthead:  and I think My Love Explodes is like about another dude
	      wanking his wiener.
Beavis:  heh heh.
Butthead:  And Omnibus is like about getting wood.
Beavis:  Oh yeah, heh heh, it makes my Shakespeare hard, heh heh.
Butthead:  And, uh, there's like Sacrificial Bonfire and Great Fire.
Beavis:  FIRE!! FIRE!! .....FIRE!!!
Butthead:  And, uh, Shake You Donkey Up.
Beavis:  What's that about?
Butthead:  Uh, I don't know, but I think it might be something cool. Heh
	          heh, and they say ass, heh heh.
Beavis:  Heh heh, you said ass, heh heh.
Butthead:  Respectable Street is like about people who barf and, uh, do
 	          it doggy style.
Beavis:  Heh heh, barfing is cool. But, uh, Through the Hill sucks!
Butthead:  But it makes chicks want to do it, heh heh. But, uh, I think you
                have to get them drunk first or something.
Beavis:  But the survey said there's no chicks on Chalkhills. Just a bunch of
              old farts sitting around listening to Pink Thing.
Butthead:  Yeah, heh heh, Chalkhills is cool.


Message-ID: <>
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 00:32:06 -0700
From: "Charles Lee Lovingood, Jr." <>
Subject: Jazz

Hello Brothers!
A qucick line to let you all know that I still exist. (As if you cared!)
I have been away discovering Jazz! Real Jazz! Miles Davis, John Coltrane,
et al. It is quite enlightening. Try it!
Lee Lovingood


Message-Id: <>
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 22:30:51 -0700
From: David Hathaway <>
Subject: XsTatiC


Count me into the "I love it all" category.

Well, ok, maybe not love, but for the material I'm not raving bananas for, I
usually at least "admire greatly".

In a great fervour last week, I finally grabbed the XTC CDs that I hadn't
own yet, so over the last two weeks, I snapped up Skylarking, The Big
Express and the Dukes compilation. Funny you should mention "Train Running
Low On Soul Coal", I liked that immediately, and, in general, it's slowly
becoming one of my favorite albums, but then I have always preferred their
noisy records...

Songs like that one, Travels In Nihilon and Across This Antheap really start
my morning off right. I think I'll cut a "morning CD" and load it up with
the fast, sharp stuff...

Regarding Thomas Dolby, I sent a note to him via his site (at ) to see if Mr. Pits might have been Andy partridge.
Interesting, Dolby's recent compilation, Retrospectacle, mentions Andy's
work, and suggests that Andy was partially responsible for Dolby's original
deal with EMI.

All for now, back to work...

w  w  w  .  m  o  n  k  e  y  -  b  o  y  .  c  o  m
David Hathaway, CEO Of, Minder of the cats...,,
Home to The Mars Subway Canadian Music Page, Melinda's Home Page and MIASMA


Date: Mon, 26 Aug 96 15:46:23 EDT
From: Jeff Rosedale <>
Subject: English Wirement
Message-ID: <>

I am rising from the unterlurken to briefly blast a high note of
re-tread praise for ES and D&W.  Drums and Wires was my "Virgin" xtc
experience as well.  On a fast turntable with a bad cartridge and
8-watt speakers.  I was never the same again.  There is something
irresistable about this album, and the arrangements, though simple,
might be the very best of the whole XTC catalog.  Some of the hooks
appeared in the most unlikely places- listen to the very end of the DG
solo on reel by real on the LP- it's never exactly the same again, even
in live performances.  The fade of Helicopter into the thick of
Nigel...  another "omitted song" travesty with day in-day out; and
those lucky &*$*&(#$s who bought the original with the 7" EP...  the
packaging variations are endlessly entertaining, as are the song order
changes.  This one would be hard to beat...

If it weren't for English Settlement.  The first time this passed into
my head I was convinced I had already heard the entire album, as if in
a dream.  It was as if it passed directly into my subconscious.  Of
course it was the bogus chopped down Epic version- only years later did
I come upon the much-touted UK vinyl.  The silvery highs and
gut-punching bass make this the most dynamic sounding XTC LP ever.  The
songwriting, execution, and production, with its midpoint stance
between stark and jagged vs. lush and swoopy, make it the most
listenable.  I take as symbolic the story of Terry Chambers' drum on
Yacht Dance being strung to the extreme of tightness- it was XTC at the
extreme of what they could do "cleanly" without post-production,
frosting, layers upon layers, sometimes obscuring the jewel of a song
within.  Also terry at the end of his tether. (The closest to
simplicity they have ever been since was under another name as the

Ok, I did say brief.  I lied.



Message-Id: <v01540b0aae47b27de3a8@[]>
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:08:56 -0700
From: (E.B.)
Subject: Various and sundry

>From: (Mitch Friedman)
>On the subject of replacing Barry Andrews in 1978/9, the first time I met Andy
>in person, he told me that once Barry had left, Brian Eno expressed great
>interest in joining the band. Andy summed up the decision to go with Dave
>as "Well, we didn't want *another* bald keyboard player!"

Wow. My mind reels with the possibilities!

>Quick question:  What, if anything, has XTC done in connection with Rhino

Well, Rhino is about to release a 5 (?) CD set of '80s modern rock -- I
wouldn't be too surprised if the group showed up there....

Re people wondering why Chalkhills has more Americans than Brits: Um, how
about the fact that there are far, far more people in the United States? I
don't know the exact population ratio, but even 1 out of 100,000 people in
the States would add up pretty quick....

Another bald keyboard player,


Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 18:29:13 -0400
Message-ID: <>
Subject: President Kill

>From: Claudia S Cauchon <>
>Subject: "Nonsuch" Revisited
>and I won't even go into how much I hate "Here Comes President Kills" the
>XTC song I outright can't stand.

I think it's a great tune. When I'm selecting an O&L cut to play to the
uninitiated I will usually use "Chalkhills and Children" because anyone can
appreciate something that beautiful. For my serious musician friends I will
use "Miniature Sun" (although many of them make fun of the bridge).
Occasionally I will use "President Kill". The first time I heard the quirky
horn lines it made me laugh out loud, and it sometimes effects others the
same way. Laughing aloud to music is a high form of praise.


From: Stephen Larson <>
Subject: The Converted
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 02:31:02 +0000
Message-ID: <19960827023100.AAA26466@LOCALNAME>

The esteemed JH3 said:
<< There really are a handful (maybe even an armload) of us out there who
really believe, *with complete conviction,* that XTC has NEVER recorded or
even written a bad song. >>

Sign me up, John.  I'm behind you all the way.  Now I'll go
have another listen to "Countdown to Christmas Party Time".  Ouch.


Message-Id: <>
Subject: Dave and Andy Play Guitar
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 96 22:10:44 -0500
From: Della & Steve Schiavo <>

>>Being that I'm a guitar player, I often indulge in painful torture
>>attempting to replicate Andy's "so cool it blocks out the sun" guitar
>>playing, usually with very little success.

I've got a tape of Andy at his house talking to some French guys.  One of
them has been playing guitar for five years and just can't figure out how
Andy and Dave do what they do.  Andy takes a look and tells the guy that
he'll "break his wrist" trying to do it that way.  He then shows him how
to play the part using a different tuning and says something to the
effect that "it's simple, actually".

I guess this is something different than Andy's nifty technique/style,
but I'll leave that to the musicians on the list for comment.

- Steve


Message-Id: <v01540b00ae47d22f390f@[]>
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 23:15:13 +0100
From: (Peter McCulloch)
Subject: Hair today, gone tomorrow

>From Mitch Friedman:
>On the subject of replacing Barry Andrews in 1978/9, the first time I met Andy
>in person, he told me that once Barry had left, Brian Eno expressed great
>interest in joining the band. Andy summed up the decision to go with Dave
>as "Well, we didn't want *another* bald keyboard player!"

Famous last words. Seems Andy's joined the ranks of the "folically
challenged" as well. Do you think there's some garage band somewhere
jamming on there own version of, "Senses Working Over the Hill" ala "Whole
Lotta Age"?

>From Joshua Hall-Bachner:
>It just goes to show that so many of Colin's great songs never make it to an
>album. (at least BtW, Angry Young Men, The Good Things and Down A Peg made
>it as B-sides. Where Did All The Ordinary People Go and It Didn't Hurt A Bit
>were not quite so lucky.)

I agree that some of Colin's best moments have never seen the light of day.
"Find the Fox" has always been one of my favorites. Just a voice, a couple
of guitars, and an occasional kick drum simulating the galloping hunt.
Brilliant! Let's also not forget that it was Colin's singles in the early
years that kept XTC afloat (Nigel, At The Hop, Generals and Majors), and
there groundbreaking album in the US, Skylarking, has the most Colin songs
to date on any album.

>From Allan Toombs:
>Does anyone on this list actually posess the ultra-rare promotional playing
>card pack that was produced to hype Nonsuch? I once saw it advertised in
>Record Collector but have never seen a set. I expect the court cards to use
>the mock-Elizabethan portraits from the CD booklet but I'm hoping someone
>could scan anything interesting for us.

Right Oh! I've got 'em! They contain all the illustrations for the the
album, as well as a few additional ones. I can't remember what the
additional images are, as I've got them packed away in storage, but I think
Always Winter is included and a joker. It also comes with instructions on
how to play a game created by Andy, which is similiar to Concentration.
I'll pick them up this weekend and scan them in at work.

>From Richard Wallace:
>I read on the FAQ that Andy was a-workin' with the "new" talking
>heads. This struck me as very interesting; the talking heads are my
>"other" favorite band (them and King Crimson).

Welcome to Chalkhills, Richard. Andy appears on one song of the new Heads
album. I heard an advance copy, and needless to say, Andy's song is the
best. Too bad Mr. Byrne is so pissed off, though, as there's a lawsuit in
the works.

Speaking of Crimson, while I know of no collaboration with Fripp, I heard
through a friend that Trey Gunn was interviewed when Thrak came out, and
when asked what was a highlight in his career, he mentioned working with
XTC on their forthcoming album?!! Is this just another ugly rumour, or have
they actually worked together? Any input, chalkhillians?



Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 23:19:48 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id: <>
From: Joshua Hall-Bachner <>
Subject: Bad XTC songs? Naaahhh... :)

>There are three basic levels of musical quality: 1) XTC; 2)
>The few other artists who aspire (whether they know it or not) to be as good
>as XTC and occasionally manage it; and 3) everybody else.
>Also, there are certain XTC tunes (the aforementioned Dance Mixture, for
>example) that, IN MY OPINION, *might* sink below the usual XTC quality level
>into category 2, but *never below that.* (And none of them are on Go 2.)

I'm, ummm, close. :) I like pretty much everything XTC have put out.
However, I just can't get myself to like The Smartest Monkeys, CDM, Officer
Blue, or President Kill. Four out of 250+ isn't bad. :) Anyway, I do like
pretty much everything else to some extent. Yes, I really like "Looking For
Footprints" and, to a lesser extent, "Strange Tales, Strange Tails" just
because of the way they make fun of the
thing-to-make-me-look-like-I'm-all-special-and-junk" school of songwriting.
/---------------------------Joshua Hall-Bachner---------------------------\
|   |
| "Life is like a jigsaw. You get the straight bits, but there's something|
\-----missing in the middle."--XTC, "All Of A Sudden (It's Too Late)"-----/


Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 23:19:55 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id: <>
From: Joshua Hall-Bachner <>
Subject: Re: Ten Feet Tall

>2. Joshua Hall-Bachner suggests that the R&BB version of TEN FEET TALL is
>the best version.

Just curious, *when* did I do this? I don't think I've said so in about
three months. :) Really, I used to really like the R&BB version a lot, but I
haven't listened to it much of late, and I prefer the D&W version as of now.
(I still like the R&BB Scissor Man better, though!)
/---------------------------Joshua Hall-Bachner---------------------------\
|   |
| "Life is like a jigsaw. You get the straight bits, but there's something|
\-----missing in the middle."--XTC, "All Of A Sudden (It's Too Late)"-----/


Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 01:12:03 -0400
Message-Id: <v01510100ae47faf5ca88@[]>
From: (groovelily)
Subject: Nonsuch playing Cards are not quite that spiffy

i had the opportunity to be in the happy avalanche of a music reviewer in
1992.  he didn't like XTC, nor did he like a bunch of other bands I found
fascinating--consequently, I wound up with a deck of Nonsuch playing cards.

They're nice; they come in a card box like a pack of bicycles (as it were);
there are two cards bearing the image and name of each song, and two other
cards--a discography and a title card, I think, for a total of 36 cards.
I've never played "concentration" with them, but I believe that's their
intended purpose (besides promotion, of course).

If anyone out there finds this sort of tidbit to be a valuable and
attractive thing, I'd love to trade the deck for something interesting,
like some more MUSIC.  Email me outside the list--i'm pretty easy to

--Brendan Milburn


Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 01:37:45 -0400
Message-ID: <>
Subject: "It Didn't Hurt A Bit" lyrics and ding dong ding dong, more bells!

Hi everyone! Here are the lyrics to the Colin Moulding demo "It Didn't Hurt A
Bit", from the Demos 2 (Nonsuch Sessions) bootleg:

It Didn't Hurt A Bit
(written by Colin Moulding)
[transcribed by Dave O'Connell]

Just a casual thing
Not really worth a mention
Didn't hurt a bit
Didn't hurt a bit

But if you didn't mind
Can we change the subject now?
Didn't hurt a bit
Really didn't hurt a bit

And after all, I'm a man of the world
People come to me 'cause I know the score

And if you see the king
Say I'm a free man
Be sure to tell me it didn't hurt a bit

Just a bit of fun
Didn't alter a thing
Didn't hurt a bit
That's an end to it

In another week
I won't remember the name
But it's all the same
Didn't hurt a bit

My appearance isn't what you surmise
It's just a piece of grape that got in my eye

Whatever you do
Whatever you know
Well I'll put up string (?)
It didn't hurt a bit

Lots of rumours flying 'round
Plans to decieve
It's my word against hers
Who are you going to believe?

Just a casual thing
Not really worth a mention
Didn't hurt a bit
Didn't hurt a bit

But if you didn't mind
Can we change the subject now?
That's an end to it
Really didn't hurt a bit

After all, I'm a man of the world
People come to me 'cause I know the score

Whatever you do
Whatever you say
[song fades out at this point]
Be sure to tell me it didn't hurt a bit

[Colin starts moaning at this point]
[then he changes his mind...]

[end of song]

Not one of Colin's better lyrics, I think.

Speaking of bootlegs, I've recieved 23 tape packages to dub so far. Everyone
who had their packaged postmarked by August 19th will get their tapes in the
mail by the end of August. You have my word on this. In fact, I'll swear a
blood oath if it will make you feel any better.

If anyone doesn't have enough time to record their Chalkhills' Children
submissions, I'll do your song for you. I can do my worst to any song XTC has
ever performed and that, my friends, is a guarantee. I have all the
submissions guidelines posts from Richard tucked away in my hard drive, so
there's no need to explain the proceedure to me. I'm serious about this.
Please don't make Richard burn your cattle and farm your crops or whatever it

is he mockingly threatens to do should you bail out on him. I implore you,
please, please, do something...

Bells, bells, bells: In Chalkhills #2-150, Simon Sleightholm wrote:

>If I remember you correctly, you are the gentleman who asserted that you
>loved and presumably found some kind of value in, everything Todd
>[Rundgren] did. Is that correct?

No. I said that Todd "is a musical genius". A genius is a person of
extraordinary intellect and talent. It is not necessarily a person who is
perfect at everything he or she attempts to do.

Simon continues...

>If this is so, then I was wrong on one count (the bells fiasco) and you,
>on the basis of that appalling compilation I bought...if I am generous in
>your favour with the said compilation, are wrong on sixteen counts.

Nope. Todd has everything to gain and nothing to lose from being on a
compilation album, even one with a less than stellar lineup of
artists. He makes money from the liscensing of his song, he has no
fear of repercussions from the record company liscensee should the
record do a nosedive and there's always the remote possibility that
someone listening to the record might be impressed enough with Todd's
songwriting skills to purchase something from his catalog.

Also, no artist can be held responsible for the quality of the artists who
might appear alongside him or her on a compilation album. I find merit in
every officially released XTC song that Andy has ever written. However, that
statement does not require me to also enjoy the music of Rockapella (who
appear alongside XTC on the Carmen Sandiego: Out Of This World album) in
order to make it valid. That would be ridiculous.

Anyway, the gloating part of my post was not meant to be taken seriously.
That's why I purposely made it so over the top ("Nyaah! Nyaah!...E-mail me! I
dare ya!"). I simply don't feel like making sideways smiley faces every time
I want to joke around. So now you know.

Dave O'Connell
York PA

P.S. This lyric transcription might not be 100% correct. By all means,
correct me if I've misheard any of the lyrics.

P.P.S. Thank you, Mark Heggen!!!!! You completely and totally surprised me
with the package you sent out! I really appreciate you sparing me one of
your tapes with the dub of the Oranges and Lemons acoustic gig. I'll try to
return the favor...

And I want to thank Sara Lloyd and Peter McCulloch who have been
particularly kind and generous during this bootleg dub thing, plus Joshua
Hall, Andy Cuthbert and all the other people who have offered to dub me
stuff in return.

And please send your lyric interpretations to Joshua Hall Bachner. All I
have is a XTC video treatment and it doesn't reflect my interpretation of
the song, mainly because I don't have one.


Message-Id: <>
Date: 27 Aug 1996 04:18:54 CST

Even though there is more than enough XTC material to enjoy for a
lifetime, most of us look forward to a new XTC album.

With that in mind, I thought it would be interesting to see if XTC are
influencd by some of changes in pop music that have happened since they
made their last album. Ok, let's see. Some of the things prominent in
pop albums today are:

1) Dry or unaffected vocals and instruments, with little or no reverb.

2) Tuned down guitars, usually a semitone or a half step but sometimes

3) Prominent use of distorted guitars, even in some 'soft' music.

4) 'Natural', unaffected drums which are loud in the mix.

5) A tendency to even more simple song structure and repetition.

6) 10 or 15 songs on an album.

7) A ghost track that is hidden at the end of cds.

There are other things that could have been added to this list but these
strike me as being some of the most prominent changes in pop music. Will
XTC just keep making great records and do it as they have in the past,
or will they be influenced by any of the developments with regard to
making pop songs and albums? Let's see!


p.s. Frequently people mention that they like the production on this or
that album. The production of music generally refers to getting good
sounds from guitar amps or whatever on to tape and also getting good
performances by musicians in the studio. MIXING is what most of you mean
when you refer to production and it is the final mix of the sounds on
tape that are manipulated or 'produced' to give the final sound. It is
an art form and has a dramatic impact on how the songs sound.


Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 09:33:45 -0400
Message-ID: <>
Subject: No bad songs/Conversion strategy

>> There really are a handful (maybe even an armload) of us out there who
really believe, *with complete conviction,* that XTC has NEVER recorded or
even written a bad song. <<

In all due respect, John, you are entitled to your fanaticism,  but keep in
mind that Andy and Colin would probably be the first to disagree. In fact,
your comments might even make them a little nervous.

>>Has anybody got any good advice on how to overcome the hostile attitude
that my girlfriend seems to take?<<

Strategic psychological warfare, with a heavy emphasis on repetition. Find a
few catchy, easy-to-swallow tunes (maybe "Then She Appeared," "The Loving,"
or "Season Cycle") and play them over and over. Don't announce their
presence; just pop them in as you drive, or play them over dinner, and say
nothing about them. Eventually those perky melodies will sink into her head
and she won't be able to resist humming them instinctively. Then, when you
catch her in the act, say: "Hey, what are you humming?" And she'll probably
respond, "Uh, I don't know; one of those songs you keep playing." Then gently
point out that she is humming an XTC song. You've got her backed into a
corner at this point. It's over.



Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 09:38:15 -0400
From: (Patty Haley)
Message-Id: <>
Subject: Whenever I listen to the Dukes...

Hi all:

I'm sure I'm not the only XTC fan out there who is also gung-ho on
the Bevis Frond.  I think of him whenever I listen to the Dukes, and
when I listen to him I think of XTC's more clever lyrics.

Anyone who is interested in sending private email concerning BF is
welcome to do so; I'd love to hear from anyone who's seen him live,
has gigs to trade, etc.



Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:14:49 -0400
Message-Id: <v01510102ae487a61c2f7@[]>
From: (Chris Van Valen)
Subject: Re: Chalkhills Digest #2-150---Two bits

From: Ira Lieman <>
Subject: Partridge/Dolby
>Dolby, meanwhile, was a big XTC fan and had been trying to join for years,
>but as I understand it Andy didn't want another Barry, someone who'd want
>to do their own thing within the band. So Dolby wasn't really considered.

I read an article a while back in which Dolby had approached Andy about
replacing Barry, but Andy replied that he had already decided that he'd
rather get a new guitarist instead.

From: (E.B.)
Subject: Re: Costello/Andy
>Someone was discussing the possibility of Elvis Costello working with Andy,
>while someone else commented upon how "The Green Man" seems to borrow
>melody from Jesu, Joy Of Desiring.

Listen to the outro keyboard solo fron EC's "The Only Flame in Town"--Jesu,
Joy of Man's Desiring!


If you have an unpleasant nature and dislike people
this is no obstacle to work.
                                --J.G. Bennett

Catch "Forever Knight" on the Sci-Fi Channel every Monday at 8PM and
midnight, EDT.
                                --Lucien LaCroix


Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 09:22:49 -0700 (PDT)
Message-Id: <v01510100ae486e57ae20@[]>
From: (Glenn Siegel- The Wine Spectrum, Inc.)
Subject: Your Chalkhills Posting

In response to Stephen Varga's post.
As a proud Black Sea era discoverer, I shared your assumption that "Dear
God" launched interest in the band.

I remember when I bought B.S. in 1982.  I bought it knowing nothing about
the band, and as I recall, I was intrigued by the cover.

When I started listening I remember saying to myself, "wait a minute, did
they say what I think they said?  Is this album really this good?, Hey,
good score! etc."


Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 00:42:30 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Jeffrey with 2 f's Jeffrey" <>
Subject: Sugarplastic/ Loud Family
Message-ID: <>

Since many of us had been talking about Sugarplastic, I thought I'd let
the list know they're touring the US opening for the Loud Family - who
might be described as an American XTC, in that they're a pop band who
incorporate some avant-garde-ish ideas and textures as well as very
intelligent & witty lyrics. More loud guitars, though, than XTC usually
use. Scott Miller, the Loud Family's main writer, headed Game Theory in
the '80s (for us 30+ types making up the plurality of the list!).

Then we can hear how "XTC" the Sugarplastic are (is it "the" Sugarplastic
or not?).


Jeffrey J. Norman        <>   <>
Dept. of English & Comp. Lit.            University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
::I feel that all movies should have things that happen in them.         ::
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::TV's Frank::


Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:47:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Irene Trudel <>
Subject: Yet another drummer post...
Message-ID: <>

Hey Chalkies!

Can you stand one more post about a suggested drummer? This comes to you
via the Richard Thompson list.

---------- Forwarded message ----------

 MJ> Finally, the mailshot mentions a Dave Mattacks solo album to be
 MJ> released in August. Does anybody have more details?

>From the Fairport newsletter March 1996:

Message from DM

"Hello! I'd like to take this opportunity to do an advance 'plug' for a nearly
 completed project I'm involved in. As some of you may know, I do quite a bit
 of studio work outside of Fairport, but this is rather special and
 probably the nearest I'll get to a solo CD. It's essentially a trio recording
 with musicians I've a lot of respect and admiration for, John Donaldson
 Piano and Andy Cleyndert Double Bass and it should be in the shops by summer!
 Biased as I am, I must say that I feel as positive about this as I do
 Fairport's Jewel in the Crown and XTC's Nonsuch - two personal favourites
 - though our music is somewhat different.

Thanks, DM.
Why not go with a drummer who really enjoys XTC? Beside, he IS a really
great drummer (I'm a bit biased, being a Fairport fan).



Message-ID: <>
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 96 09:53:00 -0500
From: dgershmn <>
Organization: AMS
Subject: Survey says...!

In Joshua-hills, oops, I mean Chalkhills #150 (but didn't it seem like every
post in that last one was from Mr. Hall-Bachner?), Stephen Varga mused:

>Subject: Re:Demographic Survey Results
>I've spotted another surprising result.
>It appears that the vast majority of Chalkhills subscribers come from the US.
>That in itself is not too surprising.
>What is, is the fact that the majority of these claim to be an XTC fan for
>more than 9 years. Why the surprise?
>Because I thought that in the US, XTC had a relatively small following
>until Dear God became an accidental hit in 1987. Even Geffen was planning
>to drop XTC from their distribution label had that miracle not taken place.
>Therefore, the reults seem disproportionate to XTC's sales in the US.

Well, when you consider that this is a nonrandom survey of only 100 people,
every one of them could have bought every single album before Skylarking and
it still wouldn't have made a blip in the sales of any of them. For all we
know, this group of 100 could be the ENTIRE "relatively small following" you
refer to! :)  All I'm saying is that, interesting as the results may be
within this mailing list, I don't think you can extrapolate the results to
the general non-Chalkhills-subscribing music-buying population of the U.S.
with any accuracy.

And from Jeff Langr:
>Don't know if the DI5 belongs here but oh well

Well, actually, no, I was asking folks to e-mail it directly to me, but
that's okay...I've tallied your picks along with the rest. Thanks! ("DI5"
sounds like it should come after "ID4," which, if you saw the movie, makes
some sense, doesn't it?)

Which brings me once again to the daily reminder (hope those of you who have
already responded will bear with me on these reminders) to send in your Top
5 Desert Island XTC Songs! The response has been great, but I'm still aiming
for at least 100 responses. I'm extending the deadline slightly to
approximately Sept. 20, to give those who happen to subscribe through a
school address a chance to catch up once they've returned to class. And in
case any of you happened to wonder what MY Top 5 happen to be, since I've
been pestering all of you to make such a difficult decision, here it is, in
no particular order (this was very tough for me as well, but this is how it
turned out when I did it):

No Language in Our Lungs
Yacht Dance
Deliver Us from the Elements
1000 Umbrellas
Holly up on Poppy

So go ahead, make up YOUR list today, and send it to me, not the mailing
list, at "" and I'll report the results after the
closing date. It promises to be an interesting one! (And remember, one lucky
respondent will win a compilation tape made up of as many of the top results
as I can fit on it!)

Dave Gershman
Maker of "English Settle-Mints"...they'll leave your senses working


Message-Id: <>
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:24:35 +0000
From: Jeff Langr <>
Subject: XTC US following

Stephen Varga wrote:
> Because I thought that in the US, XTC had a relatively small following
> until Dear God became an accidental hit in 1987. Even Geffen was planning
> to drop XTC from their distribution label had that miracle not taken place.

Don't forget, Epic, Virgin America, and RSO all carried XTC in the US
before Geffen picked them up (I think beginning with Mummer).

> Therefore, the reults seem disproportionate to XTC's sales in the US.

The number of list subscribers is relatively small (around 1000 from what I
recall Mr. Relph last mentioned) compared to the number of people who
listen to XTC (10's of thousands now, 100's of thousands over the years).
I would suspect as many as half of US fans are long-term listeners who
probably got into them when Ten Feet Tall, Generals & Majors, and Senses
Working Overtime were getting some (albeit small) airplay in the US, which
would provide the age set shown in the demographic results of 32 - 35 or
so. I'm sure lots of listeners came from the "punk", Trouser Press reading
crowd.  Personally I came across XTC from a friend who was heavily into
punk; he came across XTC via a 10" compilation album called Catch a Wave
which had Statue of Liberty on it; he then was the one who played
Helicopter for me...

> Do the the rest of the US XTC fans not have access to the internet?

Probably not.  While it's hard to see from our vantage point, there are
comparatively very few people out there on the internet.

Jeff L.


Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 13:51:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ted Harms <>
Subject: Knob-Dweeb question on Colin
Message-ID: <>

I was playing the BBC3 live CD last night and trying to figure out the
bass line to Burning With Optimism Flame.  The timing is just a little
funky but I think I got it (more or less) down.

But, I'm wondering if anybody knows if Colin plays with his fingers or a
pick (or plectrum, for our non-N. America readers)?  The pictures I've
seen of him are sans pick but the string attack on said track is so
friggin' even, it's almost inhuman.

Mind you, Colin is bass playing God so I wouldn't be surprised if he was
just using a two-fingered approach...

Ted Harms                                   Library, Univ. of Waterloo                        519.888.4567 x3761
"Then, I would say, lenguage is that we may MIS-unda-stend each udda."
       - Krazy Kat


Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 19:14:41 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id: <>
From: Joshua Hall-Bachner <>
Subject: Song Interps


Nobody has sent me even a single XTC song interpretation yet! Come on, I
*know* that you are all opinionated and certainly have opinions as to what
the various songs are about. If you send me some, they'll go up on the page.
Isn't *anybody* going to send me some? :)


/---------------------------Joshua Hall-Bachner---------------------------\
|   |
| "Life is like a jigsaw. You get the straight bits, but there's something|
\-----missing in the middle."--XTC, "All Of A Sudden (It's Too Late)"-----/


Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 17:04:57 +0100
Message-Id: <>
From: (Paul Bailey)
Subject: XTC

Hi all you children of the Chalkhills

As management for XTC, GOOD NEWS FOR ALL. HURRAH!

As you may or may not know there is an exiting new release by XTC, on Virgin
Records, of all the singles released by the band, containing rare singles
that have been deleted, re-mixed versions and all digitally re-mastered.

The release date is September 16th, 1996 and will come in a sensational
special limited edition 3-D package for a short time only (don't you know it

Entitled 'Fossil Fuel - the STC singles 1977 - 1992', it will be a double
disc CD with all 31! tracks in chronological order as originally released
with a 16 page booklet that has graphics of all the singles covers and
correct lyrics! to all the songs.  It will also be available in a double
cassette form.

This limited release will be only available in the UK.  The rest of the
world, including the US and Japan, will not be releasing it as a domestic
product. If you want to get a copy you will have to order it from your local
record store as an import as soon as possible due to the limited pressing.

Andy is currently in the middle of promoting this forthcoming release
throughout the UK and Europe.

An internet conference will be set up very soon so that you will all be
able to speak to Andy directly.

Also at the end of the year there will be a video compilation release made
up of various videos, TV and filmed performances.

The band are currently in negotiations with various record compani8es in
regard to finding a new label due to leaving Virgin after 19 years.

A new album (possibly a double) will be released in the new year of '97.
Suggestions - who would be your favourite producer for the band?

XTC are currently developing their own web site to include access to
merchandising (T - shirts as we know them Jim!), the 'Andy Partridge Game
Show' (fully interactive), news, views and any other ideas that comes out
of the time capsule that is Swindon!

May your world be large.


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