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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 2, Number 130

                   Monday, 1 July 1996

Today's Topics:

               Re: Chalkhills Digest #2-129
                      My First Post
       ^Go2^: It's Not Just For Breakfast Anymore!
                        No Tours?
        Re: Chalkhills Digest #2-126--Some Answers
                Lack of Early XTC Syndrome
                     Smartest Monkeys
                     MN the Great!!!
                   Best of CD, Drummers
           Producers/Nonsvch/Drummers/The Bears
                            KT
                     Farting Monkeys
                     Go2 - favorite!
               TOP COMPOSER POLL RESULTS!!!
                      re: the bears
          Retarded Punk Bands Died For Your Sins

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From: 7IHd <ee92pmh@brunel.ac.uk>
Message-Id: <11749.9606292019@molnir.brunel.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Chalkhills Digest #2-129
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 21:19:25 +0100 (BST)

Andrew Bissaro said, re: The Bears:

# * Furthermore now they have a rhythm section (Sara Lee, Jerry Marotta)
# that, IMHO, is the best pop music rhythm section out there...it ain't jus'
# for folkies, no sir...  Check out the live "1200 Curfews" to see what I
# mean...

Is this the same Sara Lee that used to play bass in Gang Of Four, replacing
Dave Allen who went off to form Shriekback with Barry Andrews?

Seriously - I want to know this.

And on a similar note, someone whose name I accidently deleted (sorry)
wrote:

# From: richard.pedrettiallen@octel.com
# >How about...
# >XTC-David Byrne-John Goodman-Rosanne!
#
# Richard, I'm ROTFL, but I think playing on the same bill with someone does
# not a connection make. I think the rules of the game should be that the two
# should actually be in the same band or on the same album together.

Well, I don't know about the others, but the XTC-Byrne connection is quite
simple, as Byrne did the vocals for Robert Fripp's "Under Heavy Manners",
which these days is found on the same CD as the League Of Gentlemen stuff
which, of course, Barry Andrews plays on.

Whilst I'm at it: Ian Caple for producer, and how about Martyn Barker on
drums?

Phil.

PS: email address still here, don't know for how long though.
  _
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From: pappas@execpc.com
Message-Id: <199606292109.QAA18724@mail.execpc.com>
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 96 16:12:33 -0500
Subject: My First Post

Ok, this is my first post, basically b/c I fell way behind in reading my
back issues of Chalkhills, and ended up reading about 20 of them to catch
up yesterday!

re: Smartest Monkeys
Colin, I love your music. You are the man. But Smartest Monkeys is poopoo.
I love the melody, but the refrain is tired. Your voice sounds great.
BUT it's the lyrics.  Someone in a recent posting actually called the
SUBTLE!
I can't figure that out, b/c to me they are about as preachy and direct as
things get.  To me, it's way overdone.  Also, on a similar note, I think
two songs are quite enough for Colin to use the phrase World War 3.
(Generals and Majors / Wardance).

re: Bungalow
GREAT song, and to respond to someone else who went around singing
BUNGALOW when it first came out, let me just say that I'm part of that
club.  Almost got fired from the restaurant I was working in when
Nonsuch came out because I kept going up to people and bellowing
'BUNG-GALOW! BUNG_GALOW!  BY....THE...  SEAAAAAAA!!!'.  Anyhow, it was
just a phase I was going through and I grew out of it.

re: Next Drummer
I think Stewart Copeland would be a great choice.  As for Terry
Chambers, my recollection is that he left the band during the Mummer
sessions partly because of the drastic change in the direction of the
band's sound, and also to be with his girlfriend in Australia. (i read
this in chalkhills and children) I'm not sure his drumming would be
suitable for the band anymore, just as I think that Barry's keyboards
would sound a bit weird on a new XtC album.  As for other drummers,
well, I think Prairie Prince would be great with a better engineer!
Just think about Sacrificial Bonfire, etc...  marvelous percussion.

re: Bass Players
McCartney is STILL a great bass player, and not a bad drummer either!
(hmmm....nah)
Another bass player I think you're all ignoring, and wrongly so, is
the Egyptians' Andy Metcalfe, who is amazing live! Has a wonderful, very
individual sound on his fretless, and he's always right on, where tone
and rhythm are concerned.  Just listen to Robyn Hithcock & the Egyptians'
"Lady Waters and the Hooded One" for proof.

re: Yazbek's Nose
Pinnochio's Nose is a great song, which I hated at first and now love.
I can't believe you guys are talking about 'Change My World' sounding
like Andy but at the same time not discussing how much like Andy that
Yazbek sounds on '...Nose'.  It's amazing...it sounds just like him.
Indeed, I think it's the most XtC-ish song on the album, which is
perhaps both a good and bad thing.  It IS a great album, and for
those of you who are considering Japan to find it, just check out
CD-Now on the web, for much more reasonable prices.

re: New Album Title
How about 'Deflowered'? It's pastoral and gives a nice kick in the
teeth to Virgin.  I'm not so sure you're right about this getting
the album title from the previous album thing.  Oranges and Lemons
is a nursery rhyme, and the reason the album was so titled, I believe.
Besides, Ballet for a Rainy day says 'Orange and Lemon', which is
not the title of the subsequent album. :P

re: DEMOS / TAPES / GIMME (please?)
I'm looking for the Bull/Verne stuff, which I've never been able to
find, along with the James and Giant Peach Demos, or anything else
fairly recent.  I know there has been a lot of discussion about
whether it's right to hand these songs around.  But think about it,
if everyone gets a copy, then the pirateers will have no market.
If only a few have it, it is more likely that people will go out
and buy a bootleg.  I don't have a lot of rare XTC to trade, other
than a videotape of their first 12 videos or so, starting with
This is Pop and ending with Senses Working Overtime. I also have
some rare Beatles and McCartney things, and finally a very rare
(only 1000 made) double disk of Badfinger's three Apple albums,
one of which was produced by Todd the Runt himself.  I also have
some Elvis Costello and Robyn Hitchcock rarities.

re: Apology
I'm sorry this was so long, after reading a zillion volumes of
Chalkhills all at once, I had a lot to vomit from my brain.
Sorry.

Too lazy to have a proper signature and quote,
Constantine Pappas

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Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 16:57:27 -0500
Message-Id: <v02110100adfb0e4cef7d@[144.92.184.135]>
From: aosterma@students.wisc.edu (Adam J. Ostermann, boy genius)
Subject: ^Go2^: It's Not Just For Breakfast Anymore!

>From: dgershmn <dgershmn@ametsoc.org>
>
>I was just curious: I've heard opinions
>from various people in the list who
>consider one XTC album or another to be
>their favorite. I think each of the
>albums has been considered to be
>SOMEBODY's favorite, with one
>exception: I have yet to hear anyone
>claim that "Go2" is their favorite XTC
>album. Is there anyone out there for
>who can say that it is?

(Raises hand)

I ^think^ I've gone on record with this before, but if not, yeah, ^Go2^ is
bar-none their best album. Partridge's tunes are sharp, Moulding's never
lose a beat, and Andrew's 2 compositions give the album stylistic
elongation. And the music! The frentic interplay between Partridge's bursts
of guitar and Andrew's loopy, chunky keyboards creates a euphoric tension
that cannot be equaled. Add in the engine room, with Colin's embrace of
dub, funk and punk in his bass styling and Terry's hyperactive drumming,
and it's a recipe for a legendary album.  ^Go2^ is the only XTC album I can
play front to back without even thinking of hitting the "FF" button. In
fact, I'd go as far to say it's one of my top ten fave albums OF ALL TIME.

And no, this post is not a joke. I am completely serious about this.

I appreciate all other opinions, and I certainly emphasize with other
choices, but ^Go 2^ is the one for me.

So there you go, Dave. Now, personally, ^I've^ never heard ^White Music^ as
somebody's fave XTC album. Takers?

Adam J. Ostermann
aosterma@student.wisc.edu

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Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 23:33:53 +0100
Message-Id: <199606292233.AA15351@felix.dircon.co.uk>
From: Simon Sleightholm <nonsuch@dircon.co.uk>
Subject: No Tours?

johanb <johanb@lls.se> wrote

>I'm sorry Mick & Simon, but I think your opinions in this quest-
>ion are complete bullshit.:)

Who's this Mick character?

>They didn't CHOOSE to stop touring,

I never said they did. If you actually *read* what I wrote, I said that
these punk bands have to keep belting out their old hits to hang onto an
audience that wishes it was still the summer of 76, while XTC refused to be
constricted by such a shortsighted fanbase. They progressed and - as can
been seen by the divisions that crop up in here - this created a split in
their fanbase; some hate the new stuff, others hate the old. But they are
not still belting out variations of Science Friction to please a bunch of
30-40 year old new-wave casualties. They grew up, and a lot of their fans did.

>they were forced to because of Partridge's stagefright!

Which Andy has said grew out of the lack of visible cash AND the feeling
that they were't doing the songs justice - "Feeling like we're just the
jukebox with a conscience in the corner". With the crew setup XTC had at the
time - where there was no money to spend on the main band members, let alone
on string and horn sections - the band would have to work on each track in
the studio with the permanent thought of, "how are we going to do this on
stage?".

Yes, I would love to see them play live. But, perhaps if they hadn't had the
break we wouldn't be getting the multi-layered, finely textured music we've
been getting.

Simon

* ---------------------------------------------------
http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~nonsuch/bungalow.htm
* ---------------------------------------------------
No Thugs In Our House, only XTC.

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From: yazbek@pipeline.com
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 21:47:36 GMT
Message-Id: <199606292147.VAA01320@pipe3.ny3.usa.pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: Chalkhills Digest #2-126--Some Answers

Hey Dave and others-- The Chieftains never recorded "The Troubles" for TD.
God knows I wanted them to, but they didn't have time. Dave Matthews was
going to do "Nigel", but as his career burgeoned around the time I was
putting together the album, he backed-out (at the last minuted, I might
add). Al Kooper (a Certified Brilliant musician) sent in a kooky, winning
version of "Nigel" that the label didn't like. It exists somewhere-- I
guess in Al's studio. THe best unused cover was The Verve Pipe's "Blue
Beret" which was pushed aside by their own version of "Wake Up". Now, I
wish I had put both on the album, but again, the label wasn't into it. You
have to choose your fights with the powers that be. I had to fight for
Space Hog, and now look where they are. Incidentally, I played on a bill
with the Verve Pipe in Philly and they were great live.
Also-- To the guy who hates "Pinnochio's Nose" on my album-- you'll be
pleased to note that it's Andy Partridge's least favorite cut on the
record. To the guy who loves "Pinnochio's Nose"-- You're right. Andy and
that other guy are wrong.
Thanks,
Yazbek

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Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 19:38:00 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id: <199606292338.TAA29199@cyber1.servtech.com>
From: Joshua Hall-Bachner <particle@servtech.com>
Subject: Lack of Early XTC Syndrome

>'ello again.  Re: Joshua Hall-Bachner & "the 4 XTC albums I own", and
>someone's comment about "Lack of Early XTC Album Syndrome"!  Yes, this
>can be a debilitating disease!  Run out and get "Black Sea" as well.

I took your advice...just bought 7 XTC CD's today. :) I still have CFTCF and
ET to get, but that's it. :) I haven't gotten to really listen to them much
yet, so I don't have anything really to say, except: Barry is the balding
one, right? :)

Someone else mumbled:

>Jason & the Argonauts is one of the XTC songs that IMHO is like going on
>vacation every time I listen to it. Such pleasure.

This is one of my favorite songs, period, right now. I swear, the way Andy
sings that "Oohhhhhh, my head is spinning..." bit gives me shivers. And, of
course, Andy coined a cool word too. :)

PS. Ok, ok, so there aren't exactly that many songs about man = monkey.
(Dave Matthew's "Proudest Monkey" is the only one I can think of
offhand...ants are much more popular...hey, wait! XTC has done that too! :)
I apologize for my comment; obviously Lack Of Early XTC Album Syndrome was
affecting my mental processes. :) However: I still think the whole thing is
just too cliche and, well, boring for XTC, especially as done in TSM. It,
IMHO, suffers from the same debiliating disease as "Down In The Cockpit":
the attempt to deliver a message got in the way of the music and the lyrics.
This is all just my opinion, of course...as long as you don't shoot at me,
camp out outside my house, or call me up and play TSM onto my answering
machine, I won't disrupt your beliefs on the subject. :)
/----------------------------Joshua Hall-Bachner----------------------------\
|      particle@servtech.com    http://www.servtech.com/public/particle/    |
| "Life is like a jigsaw. You get the straight bits, but there's something  |
\------missing in the middle."--XTC, "All Of A Sudden (It's Too Late)"------/

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Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 22:19:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Karthik  Swaminathan <kqs7816@is4.NYU.EDU>
Subject: Smartest Monkeys
Message-Id: <Pine.OSF.3.93.960629215700.21319A-100000@is4.NYU.EDU>

Andrew Bissaro wrote:
>Could you all please enlighten me on the surfeit of monkey-men songs that
>have been plaguing pop music all these years (Aside from "Monkeys in
>Humanskin Suits" of course)?

Ok, Ok, How 'bout:

Monkey Man -Rolling Stones
Hey Hey We're the Monkeys -The Monkees
Banana Splits Theme -The Banana Split (keen monkey reference)
Planet of the Apes incidental music -Rota?Marconi?John Williams?
Blue Monkey --Thelonius Monkey
Schock the Monkey -Peter Gabriel
Monkey on my Back - blues standard
We are the Chimpanzees --the Chimpanzees(japanese Monkey band)
Monkeyberry Moon Delight --Paul McCartney (a reoccuring XTC item)
Velvet Underground & Nico --(sly monkey-in-you marketing ploy cover)

...any more monkey referrences smart guy?....

(btw, I happen to like Smartest Monkeys)

K.

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Message-Id: <199606300820.RAA25994@mita2.cc.mita.keio.ac.jp>
Subject: MN the Great!!!
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 17:20:04 +0900
From: Naoyuki Isogai <b9400863@mita2.cc.mita.keio.ac.jp>

Hi There!

Do you all remember I wrote THE CLEANERS FROM VENUS stuff was only
so-so?  BUT I can't help saying Martin Newell himself is still a GREAT
ARTIST after listening to _THE OFF WHITE ALBUM_.  I guess this album
ifar from where _THE GREATEST LIVING ENGLISHMAN_ was, but
I'm sure a lot of XTCer will like it.  I'd recommend it strongly!!!

BTW, I'd like to ask a few things of someone who has an ENGLISH COPY
of the CD _THE OFF WHITE ALBUM_ (no trade-offer).  Please email me!!!

---- NaoyuKing, the department           "There're no more shadows
     of Economics in KEIO Univ.           in this world where she says
                                          I'm her only one..."
  E-mail : b9400863@cc.mita.keio.ac.jp

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Message-ID: <31D70DC3.125@sparky.dnet.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 16:29:07 -0700
From: garyt@sparky.dnet.co.uk (Gary Thompson)
Subject: Best of CD, Drummers

In this month's Q magazine is an advert for a shop called Badlands, who
list an XTC Bes of CD due for release in August!Anyone out there heard
anything about this, track listing etc? Also, the common practice these
days is to put a couple of new tracks onto Best of's, so there might be
some new stuff after all.
On the subject of Drummers, to put in my 2 cent's worth.I was never that
enamoured with TC, in fact most of my favourite XTC stuff doesn't have
him on, and I have been a fan since the 3dEP days. IMHO Dave Mattacks is
the guy for the stool, but failing him, Pete Thomas is also suitable i.e
the song is paramount, not the need to show off technique, and both these
guys fit the bill admirably.

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Date: 30 Jun 96 11:45:30 EDT
From: studio 17 productions <104151.1063@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Producers/Nonsvch/Drummers/The Bears
Message-ID: <960630154529_104151.1063_IHO34-1@CompuServe.COM>

return from lurk mode

hi!

i think Eno IS a good choice, we musn't assume he'll make them sound
radically different.  what, do we want a *SAFE* producer?  who'll make a
predictable, just-like-all-the-other-XTC record?  since i don't get into
bootlegs any more, i have no idea what the new material sounds like.  and
actually i kinda like it that way. I'll be SURPRISED.  some of XTC's best
albums are those that differed quite dramatically from the previous
record. i'm thinking of English Settlement in particular.  there have been
many many good suggestions, John Leckie would be alright too.

BTW: in defense of NONSVCH: what a great pop masterpiece! "Books Are
Burning" could have fit right into side two of Abbey Road (in fact the
trade-off guitar solo at the end seems inspired by this).  and how can you
not like THAT WAVE?  listen to Dave's amazing house-burning-down guitar
solo if you don't like this song-then tell me it's not worth the time.
sure, some of it's a little poppy, a little silly, but what great pop
record isn't?  Humble Daisy is a fine piece of jazz, mellow, gentle and
lovely...

I could go on.

drummers: I couldn't really think who was suitable, and a most unsuitable
name kept popping into my mind.  in the meantime, John R. has mentioned a
"jazz" drummer and promptly been trounced on for doing so....the same
respondant said that my mental choice was also "unsuitable".  (please
remember WE are not actually SELECTING the drummer on behalf of the band
but MAKING A FRIENDLY SUGGESTION.  having said that, the name that kept
impinging itself upon my consciousness was BILL BRUFORD.  at first it seems
quite a mismatch....but have you ever heard his work with TRIGGER, Roy
Harper's band?  Anyone who can go from Yes to King Crimson to Genesis and
then join a "rock group" led by an eccentric (genius) folk singer and make
it work is pretty capable.  I can hear that snare popping already but this
time with an eccentric pop genius leading....

THE BEARS: yes they are very very good...we've seen them a few times here
in San Diego.  And I do agree, "Fear Is Never Boring" is a fantastic pop
song, and I had the opportunity to talk to Rob Fetters (guitarist
extraordinare and composer of the song) and told him it was the best song
on the album.  But BOTH the Bears albums are great, although apparently out
of print.  You can get both THE RAISINS (pre-Bears) and THE PYSCHODOTS
(post-Bears) from POSSIBLE PRODUCTIONS.  I have not heard either of these,
but I'd imagine they are also quite good.  Solo Adrian Belew stuff varies,
but there is that early CD compilation of stuff >from his first three
albums DESIRE OF THE RHINO KING which is better than nothing.  Otherwise I
very highly recommend his newest HERE....not a bad song on it, and amazing
guitar as always.

The Bears were a great live band too, and Rob Fetters proved himself near
as good a guitarist as AB...and apparently the drummer has terrific stage
fright (sounds like someone we know).

so anyway, please don't rush the boys, let them take their time, choose a
good producer, choose a good drummer and I for one will be happily
surprised by whatever they turn out....

dave

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From: wisner@gryphon.com (William Wisner)
Subject: KT
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 19:05:25 GMT
Organization: Trailing Edge Technologies, Half Moon Bay, CA
Message-ID: <31d6cfaa.600551990@gryphon.com>

>(Irrelevant aside - why do Kate Bush fans often spell her name "kaTe"?
>Should we start talking about aNdY, CoLin, and daVe?)

Irrelevant answer - because very early in her career she played with
"The KT Bush Band".

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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 96 16:08 EST
From: Jeffrey Langr <0005392548@mcimail.com>
Subject: Farting Monkeys
Message-Id: <24960630210842/0005392548ND4EM@MCIMAIL.COM>

>     Say whatever you will about "The Smartest Monkeys".....but you must
>admit; Dave Mattacks grooves like a MOFO on that tune!! (Colin, too for
>that matter). And I LOVE the synth solo!! Definitely one of XTC's funkier
>tunes....

OK, I will say whatever.  My subject line, sadly, speaks volumes.
This and "President Kill" are about the only two songs in the entire
XTC catalog that I absolutely can't stand.  The synth solo actually
reinforces my naming of the tune "*Farting* Monkeys.  I *do* on the
other hand like the Colin tune Bungalow, much to the dismay of many of
you, moreso than any of his songs from O&L.

Oh yeah, I still have plenty of collectable XTC vinyl (7", 12", LPs)
available for sale, some choice items still remain.  Please e-mail me
if you have any interest and I will send you a list of what I have.

Jeff L.

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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 96 16:08 EST
From: Jeffrey Langr <0005392548@mcimail.com>
Subject: Go2 - favorite!
Message-Id: <15960630210851/0005392548ND4EM@MCIMAIL.COM>

>>I think each of the albums has been considered to be
>>SOMEBODY's favorite, with one exception: I have yet to hear anyone
>>claim that "Go2" is their favorite XTC album. Is there anyone out there
>>for who can say that it is?

Yes, by God, yes, I confess!  My favorite Clash album is "Cut the Crap",
my favorite Beatles album is Yellow Submarine (but only the second side),
and my favorite Velvet Underground is the one they made after Lou Reed
left!

Just kidding.  No, really, Go2 is great, and personally I favor it over
White Music, but that's just me...

Jeff L.

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Message-Id: <v01510100adfccc32d888@[206.15.68.111]>
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 16:55:35 -0800
From: mf@well.com (Mitch Friedman)
Subject: TOP COMPOSER POLL RESULTS!!!

Sheesh! Ouch! Huh? What!?! Oh yeah, him! etc.

Well folks, here are the grand totals. But before I make my little comments,
I'd like to give a BIG thank you to everyone who participated - all 56 of you.
Sorry it took me so long to put this together, but as you see, it's SO LONG!

Now my explanations and disclaimers -- In the several instances where
individual members of a songwriting team were mentioned separately, you
will see that I chose to group them together(*) with the totals for the
team as well as the individuals noted in parentheses. Why did I choose to
do it that way?
                                 Because.
I also tried to provide additional info about some of the possibly obscure
names when that info was offered to me. If you have any questions about
some of the names, I suppose you could email me and ask, but you may have
more luck directing the question to everyone on the list. And as far as
spelling goes, I did the best I could.

There is little point in my attempting to analyze the results other than to
say that everyone voted for Andy and there seems to be a general preference
for British songwriters with a knack for inventive, melodic songs with
intelligent and clever lyrics; beyond that, you got me. What do you think?

I'm gonna send a copy of this to Andy and see if he'd be so kind as to
provide a list of his own favorites. Stay tuned . . .

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
56 VOTES:
Andy Partridge
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
37 VOTES:
Elvis Costello
Lennon/McCartney* (Lennon/McCartney-26, Lennon-8, McCartney-3)
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
21 VOTES:
Colin Moulding
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
13 VOTES:
Ray Davies
Finn Brothers* (Neil Finn-9, Finn Brothers-4)
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
12 VOTES:
Difford/Tillbrook
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
8 VOTES:
Pete Townsend
Linnell/Flansburgh* (Linnell/Flansburgh-5, Linnell-3)
Robyn Hitchcock
Brian Wilson
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
7 VOTES:
George & Ira Gershwin* (George-5, George/Ira-2)
Tom Waits
Richard Thompson
Bob Dylan
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
6 VOTES:
Joe Jackson
Belew/Bruford/Fripp/Levin* (B/B/F/L-3, Fripp-2, Belew-1)
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
5 VOTES:
Frank Zappa
David Byrne
Kate Bush
John Hiatt
Graham Parker
Martin Newall
Andy Sturmer/Roger Manning(Jellyfish)* (Sturmer-3, Manning-1, S/M-1)
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
4 VOTES:
J.S. Bach, Mozart, Lloyd Cole, Don Van Vliet (Capt. Beefheart), Van Morrison,
Joni Mitchell, Neil Young, R. Stevie Moore, Damon Albarn (Blur), REM, Brian
Eno, Roger Waters, George Harrison, Prince, Becker/Fagen* (B/F-3, Fagen-1),
Bob Mould/Grant Hart* (Mould-3, M/H-1)
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
3 VOTES:
David Bowie, Charles Mingus, Danny Elfman, Thelonius Monk, Suzanne Vega,
Stephen Sondheim, Lyle Lovett, Billy Bragg, Frank Black, Miles Davis,
Paddy McAloon, Cole Porter, Peter Gabriel, Lou Reed, Steve Kilbey/Marty
Wilson Piper (The Church)* (Kilbey-2, K/P-1), Jane Siberry, Matthew Sweet,
Sting, Morrissey/Marr* (M/M-2, Marr-1)
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
2 VOTES:
Paul Weller, Tori Amos, John Prine, Lucinda Williams, Louden Wainwright III,
Paul Kelly, Martin Phillips (The Chills), Nick Drake, Liz Phair, Michael Penn,
Smokey Robinson, Randy Newman, John Cale, Bill Nelson, NRBQ, Scott Miller
(Game Theory/Loud Family), John Zorn, Roy Wood, Rogers & Hammerstein, Elton
John/Bernie Taupin, Paul Simon, Nick Lowe/Dave Edmunds* (Lowe-1, L/E-1),
Martin Carr (Boo Radleys), Maurice Ravel, k.d. Lang, Igor Stravinsky, Ennio
Morricone, Kurt Cobain, Hal David/Burt Bacharach, Stamey/Holsapple*
(Stamey-1, S/H-1), Warren Zevon, Jeff Heiskell (Judybats, Doubter's Club)
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 VOTE:
Kevin Ayers, Scott Joplin, Glenn Miller, Carl Orff, Jerry Garcia, Nicky Wire/
Richey James (Manic Street Preachers), Jarvis Cocker (Pulp), Charlie Parker,
Loreena McKennitt, Mike Oldfield, Thomas Newman, David Thomas (Pere Ubu),
John Otway, Bob Wiseman, Bob Snider, Patti Smith, Gord Downie (The Tragically
Hip), John Fogerty, Bill Bourne, Stompin' Tom Conners, Horace Silver, Wayne
Shorter, Handel, Peter Case, Nick Heyward, Timbuk 3, E, Steven Duffy, Madness,
Neil Hannon (Divine Comedy), Ben Folds, Buddy Holly, Ani Difranco, Phil Ochs,
Richard Barone, Robert Wyatt, Happy Rhodes, Patsy Cline, Jagger/Richards,
Jackson Browne, John Cougar Mellencamp, James McMurtry, U2, Kristen Hersh,
Strummer/Jones, Iris DeMent, Robert Pollard, Ralph Vaughn-Williams, Vivaldi,
Franz Liszt, Eric Dolphy, Victoria Williams, Neil Innes, Lal Waterson,
Douglas Stewart/Francis McDonald, Noel Coward, Raymond Scott, The Residents,
Le Roy Sheilds (Little Rascals music), Irving Berlin, John Cage, John Doe,
Daniel Johnston, Riuchi Sakamoto, Ultravox, Robert Smith, Ian Curtis, Ric
Ocasek, Peter Hamill, Paul Chastain (Velvet Crush), Todd Rundgren, Richard X.
Heyman, Mark Hollis (Talk Talk), Pat Metheny, David Sylvian, Martha and the
Muffins, Marshall Crenshaw, David Lowery (Camper Van Beethoven), Chris Knox,
Ed Kuepper, Don McGlashan, Bedrich Smetana, Phillip Glass, Antonin Dvorak,
Gustav Holst, Richard Wagner, Andrew Lloyd Weber/Tim Rice, Michael Flanders/
Donald Swan, Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, Sam Phillips, Lindsey Buckingham, Billy
Corgan, Randy California (Spirit), Jay Ferguson (Spirit), Jimi Hendrix,
Martin Turner (Wishbone Ash), Dave Davies, Roger Chapman (Family), Led
Zeppelin, Newman/Gilbert/Lewis (Wire), Tom Verlaine, Pete Shelley, Bela
Bartok, Gustav Mahler, Stevie Wonder, Joe Zawinul, Hetfield/Ulrich/Hammet
(Metallica), Carole King/Gerry Goffin, John Barry, Henry Mancini, Marc Bolan,
Steve Marriott/Ronnie Lane, Donovan Leitch, Mike Rudd, David Gilmour, Will
Oldham (Palace), Beck, Neil Tennant/Chris Lowe, Gordan Gano, Lee Hazelwood,
Jeff & Steve McDonald (Redd Kross), John Wesley Harding, Trent Reznor, Bela
Fleck, Roy Fisher, Johannes Brahms, John Coltrane, Duke Ellington, Vanda/Young
(The Easybeats), Jason Faulkner, James Brown, Paul Weller, Paul Westerberg,
Franz Schubert, Martin Lee Gore, Nik Kershaw, Andre Heller, Rolf & Fred
Hermsen (The Tapes), Marvin Gaye, Chuck Berry, Samuel Barber, Charles Ives,
Henry Purcell, Hoagy Carmichael, Merle Haggard, Alex Chilton, Holland/Dozier/
Holland, Robbie Robertson, James Taylor, Bruce Cockburn, Henry Threadgill,
Barry Manilow, John Easdale (Dramarama), Tom Goodkind (Washington Squares),
Ron Sexsmith, Josh Silverman (Shirk Circus), Patrick Campbell-Lyons (Nirvana
UK), Ian MacDonald, Tamio Okuda, Eddie Vedder, David Yasbek, Jeff Calder/
Anne Richmond Boston (Swimming Pool Q's), Kevin Sheilds, Kurt Heasley (Lilys),
Andersson/Ulvaeus (ABBA), Jeff Lynne, Grant McClennan/Robert Forster (Go
Betweens), Chrissie Hynde, Ian Broudie (Lightning Seeds), Van Dyke Parks,
Peter Blegvad, John Dowland, Freedy Johnston, Ken Stringfellow/Joh Auer (The
Posies), Mark Kozalik (Red House Painters), Billy Joel, Mark Eitzel, Dan
Hicks, Lerner & Loewe, Laurie Anderson, Emily Saliers/Amy Ray, Ian
McCulloch,
Mark Seymour (Hunter & Collectors), Ian Anderson, Mitch Friedman :^)
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 20:41:15 -0700
From: becki digregorio <ziglain@cruzio.com>
Subject: re: the bears
Message-ID: <9606302039.aa19439@cruzio.com>

greetings!!

my short missive is in response to erich's posting...

>From: enrico@fox.nstn.ca (Erich W.)

>As for Mr. Belew, he's worked with some of the wonkiest people in
>the biz ie, FZ, Laurie Anderson, Byrne: I don't think Andy would give him
>any trouble! (By the way, anyone out there ever hear THE BEARS? And what
>ever happened to them?).

yeah, the bears are a great band!!  their 1987 recording that includes
"none of the above" and "superboy" is a classic, and one that i bet a few
xtc fans would enjoy.  i had the pleasure of seeing the bears here in santa
cruz two years ago.
without adrian belew, the band is known as "the psychodots," and they were
the opening band for adrian. they also have a few cd's of their own under
their belt, good ones at that.  the bears put on a _great_ show, very high
energy.  one of the highlights was when rob fetters played his guitar w/ a
blown-up balloon.  after the show i had the chance to meet them all, got my
cd signed, and must say they are all a nice bunch of folks.  as far as i
know they're still together occasionally.

and as for adrian helping to produce the next xtc album, a hearty thumbs up.

peace to all,

becki

"in a world of individuals, comparison makes no sense at all."

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Message-Id: <199607010350.WAA02392@quilla.tezcat.com>
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 22:49:21 -0500
From: rob@automedia.com (Rob Warmowski)
Subject: Retarded Punk Bands Died For Your Sins

johanb, apparently writing in from an Abba convention, wrote:

>>Simon Sleightholm/Mark Fisher wrote:
>>Subject: No Tours
>>
>>I don't think playing live is any longer the answer for XTC. They were
>>brilliant when they did tour, but their subsequent material is not designed
>>for the live environment.
>
>Well, XTC have progressed a lot haven't they? You can't compare
>XTC with some retarded punk band!

No, I don't suppose you could.  No punk band deserving of the label would be
retarded enough to hide behind a prima donna artiste facade when the music
industry pounds them into career ignominy.   "Oh, we were robbed!" whine the
boys.  Hm.  Maybe if you didn't get so used to living on advances from major
record labels, you wouldn't be in this mess, guys.  Pound for pound, Stiff
Little Fingers are a hell of a lot smarter and less impressed with
themselves than XTC ever were.

>I'm sorry Mick & Simon, but I think your opinions in this quest-
>ion are complete bullshit.:)
>They didn't CHOOSE to stop touring, they were forced to because of
>Partridge's stagefright! I think that some of XTC's current mat-
>erial would be great to hear live. I can't see any problems with
>performing the newer material live

Man, have you ever performed anything live in your life?  Starting with
English Settlement, the arrangements became somthing NO humans could
dependably pull off live, topping their already-incredibly-high standards of
tunesmithing with damn near impossible vocal sweeps, immensely precise
guitar soundings and inhuman drum performances.  Upset tummy or not, Mr.
Partridge morphed the band into a studio-only unit by way of writing &
recording (gorgeous) stuff that really COULDN'T be done live with any hope
of performance consistency.

>, not with todays technology.

"Today's technology?"  Huh?  I've got news for you: there ain't no Terry
Chambers In A Box, and there never will be.  What's more, save a few Prophet
V fills, XTC's greatest work had NOTHING to do with technology.   Everything
that made XTC great was directly related to rock aggression working in
concert with beautifully odd voicing and harmonizing.  The day when Terry
wised up and quit XTC (according to the book, right smack dab in the middle
of recording "Love on A Farmboy's Wages" -- talk about knowing when to say
when!) XTC's prospects as a live band, already tenuous by way of arrangement
and performance demands, died outright.

>I've seen Paul McCartney perform Beatles songs from the late
>sixties period that I heard were supposedly too "complex" to per-
>form live, and it was brilliant.

Yeah, sure.  When was the last time you saw Paul McCartney belt out
"ey-ee-ey-ee-eh-HEY!", in key, WHILE leaping around AND accurately playing
the twisted rhythm guitar line with any energy?  What was the last McCartney
song that wasn't a dippy pastoral snoozer?  When was the last time you saw
Paul McCartney emit any energy AT ALL?  (Rummaging through boxes of Lennon
outtakes doesn't count.)

>So, I'm really looking forward
>to see XTC live, and hopefully they will play a couple of gigs
>here in Sweden!

Good luck.  If Steely Dan comes through, you might want to just go to that &
squint your eyes - it's just about the same thing.  As far as I'm concerned,
XTC live in my town won't be a priority unless they wake up and bring Terry
Chambers back and turn themselves back into a rock band.  A RETARDED rock
band, thank you very much.

-r

::

Rob Warmowski
Automatic Media Group / Chicago, IL
http://www.automedia.com

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