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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 2, Number 127

                  Thursday, 27 June 1996

Today's Topics:

                  collaborators for XtC
                  Dukes reference points
                Look Look, Nonsvch, Carmen
                      cheap XTC CDs
                      my first post!
                     Band Popularity
                resurrect the tape tree!!
                    New album titles?
                    Re: theatre & XTC
                     RE: Green Acres
                Sux degrees of seperation
                      This and That
                    some nice chords!
                        re: Videos
                     Pigs 'n' Things
                       saying Gday
                  Nigel Drums....Help !
                       this is pop
    Actually there isn't one, I just waffle for a bit

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 11:14:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Stephen Mahoney <stephenm@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us>
Subject: collaborators for XtC
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960626105806.24588C-100000@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us>

	LIstening to the live BBc radio One recording from dec.22 '80
 reintroduced my feelings that a drummer adds an important element to
the XtC sound.....exhibit A: battery Brides ; daivid and andy are
playing off of terry and colin's fun rythm loop ...not that I'm displeased
with the Big Express or Mummer I just like the added layer of rythmic
complexity. Stewart Copeland would fit in really well while also influencing
the structure of their songs making them even better then they already are
(someone mentioned bringing back terry c. which would be best, of coarse)
. What happened to barry the, keyboardist?
					stephen mahoney
					portland,or.

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Message-ID: <B1ECD62F01291300@ametsoc.org>
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 14:57:00 -0500
From: dgershmn <dgershmn@ametsoc.org>
Organization: AMS
Subject: Dukes reference points

Howdy y'all, Chalkhillbillies!

 This may be common knowledge to those
of you whose record collections are
quite extensive, but others of you may
be interested to know the reference
points of specific Dukes of
Stratosphear songs. I'm actually only
writing now to point out one of them
(aside from the many Beatles and Beach
Boys references that probably don't
need mentioning), but maybe others of
you who have figured out exact songs by
various psychedelic groups that are
being saluted in particular songs could
pick up on this and let us hear your
theories.
 In any case, the song "Bike Ride to
the Moon" is based not so loosely on
the song "Bike" by Pink Floyd (I
believe it's on the "Piper at the Gates
of Dawn" album...please correct me if
I'm wrong, as I'm not 100% sure at this
point, since I taped just that song and
one other from a friend a few years
back). The resemblance is pretty
remarkable (and, of course,
intentional). Take a listen, if you
have the opportunity. (I'd be glad to
tape it for you, if you can't find it
elsewhere.)
 Any others? (Okay, here's one more,
less specific one: "Vanishing Girl" is
a pseudo-Hollies song.)

Dave

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From: myke <jerk@execpc.com>
Message-Id: <199606262011.PAA17742@earth.execpc.com>
Subject: Look Look, Nonsvch, Carmen
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 15:11:09 -0500 (CDT)

> From: varga@ferndown.ate.slb.com (Stephen Varga)
> Subject: Look Look

> Now that XTC's contract with Virgin-EMI has been terminated, it's about
> time a new compilation of videos was released.

	Hear, hear! I don't even have the Look Look video, so consider
	yourself lucky, but a complete XTC video compilation would be
	very dandy indeed. All of your production suggestions are great,
	maybe I'd add the director's name to your #2. And putting it on
	laserdisc would be neat too.

> From: Joshua Hall-Bachner <particle@servtech.com>
> Subject: New Album, Bungalow, English Settlement, Nonsvch, and Cheap

> I dunno; if you mean Tricolor and Phrygian Cap, it's a bit too long (and too
> similar to Oranges & Lemons). Just "Phrygian Cap" could work, tho. Anyway,
> here are my choices for the next album name:

	Phrygian Cap sounds like some awful new They Might Be Giants song.
	Nix.

> The Big Box Of Paints           (from Wrapped In Grey)

	Maybe a title for Andy's third fan club release..
	"Nature's Sunken Wreck" is a good title, but perhaps as a song...

> And then there's Nonsvch.

	No one has mentioned "Crocodile." This is one of my perennial
	favorite XTC songs. There's plenty of great stuff on this album,
	although I don't particularly like Gus Dudgeon as a producer.
	"That Wave" just sounds like a bad The The B-side.

	Wasn't the Carmen album a promo-only thing? That might explain the
	difficulty in locating it.

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 15:23:45 -0500 (CDT)
From: ierano_j@DD.PALMER.EDU
Subject: cheap XTC CDs
Message-id: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.960626152151.8879C-100000@DD.PALMER.EDU>

Best Buy was selling cheap XTC CDs.
$4.99 for either Rag and Bone Buffet, Big Express, or Nonsuch.
WHat a bargain !

Joe Ierano

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Message-Id: <v02130558adf75843dee6@[128.89.11.23]>
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 17:21:46 -0500
From: abissaro@bbn.com (Andrew Bissaro)
Subject: my first post!

Hi, y'all

A few thoughts before plunging in to my first post:

* Lee Lovingood, your XTC testimonial from a few weeks ago really moved me,
and reaffirmed why I'm striving to be a good bassist.  Kudos!

* People who dislike The Smartest Monkeys and/or fail to see the cynicism
are, IMHO, a few cards short of a full deck.  The song is dripping with it!
Or, is it hip to say that Colin's cynicism has come full circle into
sincerity?

* The person who claims that U2 and REM haven't grown or evolved...hasn't
grown or evolved with them.   Compare the sounds and songs of "Monster" and
"Zooropa" to "Green" and "Joshua tree," and I'm sorry, I hear strong
evolution--"not for the better," it could be argued--but evolution
nonetheless.   They've both come an enormous way, and I look forward to
charting their growth with each new release.

I am a big XTC fan, and Colin/Red Curtain is one of the main reasons (along
with Tony Levin) I took up the bass...

However, as they--and I--age without maintaining our producer/consumer
relationship, I must say that my interest in XTC is beginning to wane a
bit.  I still love the songs and feelings they conjure within me, but
whaddya all think about this:

ARE SOME OF XTC'S ALBUMS BEGINNING TO SOUND DATED?  COULD THE ADVENTUROUS
PRODUCTION BE SERVING TO DIMINISH THE TIMELESS QUALITY OF THE
SONGWRITING???   (sorry, i got carried away 8>) I'm finding the the more
organic-sounding productions are holding up better.

I bring this up  because I was playing my fave XTC, English Settlement, for
friends the other night, and one, who doesn't know the band really well,
said, "Oh, that sounds so 80s..."  I wanted to dismiss his dismissal, but
had to grudgingly give it some credence.  English Settlement sounds like
what it is: Hugh Padgham's Master's degree.  Soon, he would go on to his
timeless PhD, "Synchronicity."  ES DOES sound organic, but in a processed
kinda way, like raising an embryo in a petri dish.

Mummer: Overall, pretty spot-on great production.  "love on a..." sounds
like it could have come from the 13th century.  "Wonderland" sounds like a
moist rural vista, dripping, fecund.

D&W/BS sound pretty timeless, urgent rock that sounds like it came from
another planet.  But Big Express?  Earthbound, songs gasping for breath
amid Fairlight sounds and electronic percussion...
Skylarking should be an incredibly timeless album.  It's fucking magical:
great themes, melodies, adventurous tones, but the production,
unfortunately, has the depth of...plastic aquarium flora...same for
Nonsvch, which has killer tunes, but sounds like it spent too much time in
a Ziploc sandwich bag on a sunny day.   Gus Dudgeon?  Please...he turned a
vigorous set of songs into a stillbirth.  It's a fine album, but I doubt
it'll accompany Sgt. Pepper into the time capsule.

The only XTC album I feel uses adventurous production to best advantage is
O & L.  A monument to studio craft; the best players, the best songs, the
best production ideas,  acoustic and electronic magically coalescing; a
challenging, rewarding work.

I ask: what are these producers thinking of?  Or is it XTC's fault: does
Andy seek to obscure his message in studio gimmickry?  For those of you
wondering why the boys aren't more well-known, this fact may nudge us
slowly toward the answer...

My examination of XTC is becoming more harsh lately, I must admit.  This
may be because it's a great time in music right now without them, sad as it
sounds...John Leckie makes incredible music happen with Radiohead and Stone
Roses; Tragically Hip is making some of the best Rock on the planet; the
Indigo Girls are slowly becoming the Lennon/McCartney of our time; Richard
Thompson is getting Mitchell Froom on the right track; Blur is kicking ass;
Ani DiFranco is cranking it out; the Posies, Del Amitri; oh, I could go
on...

I may be a curmudgeon, but I'm finding that time is not being kind to my
favorite band, and it makes me a little sad.

love, Andrew

Andrew Bissaro
BBN on the World Wide Web
http://www.bbn.com
abissaro@bbn.com
(617) 873-3024
"I do everything from the heart, from personal conviction. If you try to
find love by charting a course, you'll never find it."  --Van Cliburn

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 22:46:08 +0100
Message-Id: <199606262146.AA09364@felix.dircon.co.uk>
From: Simon Sleightholm <nonsuch@dircon.co.uk>
Subject: Band Popularity

A short note on this topic. A lot of "casual" small town record buyers in
the UK do their record buying in Woolworths - a shop which seems to operate
it's own chart system. Compilation albums - which rarely hit the *real*
chart - make up the majority of its chart placings. When Nonsuch and Oranges
And Lemons both made (I think) top 50 in the UK, they didn't make the
Woolworths chart. A record can be number one in the national chart and never
ever scrape onto the Woolworth Top 75. Woolworths seem to place what they
think will sell. If this pattern is repeated in other major chains there
could be a problem.

It might be a conspiracy. Or perhaps that just what THEY want us to think...

From: heggej@ipcsun3.den.mmc.com (Jonathan Hegge)

>I don't understand the attitude toward Terry Chambers.  I have not been
>around to catch the reason that Terry even left the band in the first
>place.  I have heard many times about Barry Andrews and his further
>adventures but never about where Terry went or why.

As I understand it, the main reason was that since the band had stopped
touring he was denied his one real "outlet" - the chance to wallop the skins
before an eager audience. The studio, I think, didn't appeal to him.

Simon
* ---------------------------------------------------
http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~nonsuch/bungalow.htm
* ---------------------------------------------------
No Thugs In Our House, only XTC.

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 18:11:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ted Harms <tmharms@library.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: resurrect the tape tree!!
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960626175744.2773B-100000@library.uwaterloo.ca>

I've been listening to the tape of Golden Guts/Jules Verne non-stop and it's
pretty much lived in my tape deck since I got it.  Thanks again to all those
that put it together and to my leaf, Steve Lutz.

If y'all could see me now I'm on my knees begging and pleading that some
kind soul would put together a tape of B-sides, live tracks, studio
outtakes, alternate takes, whatever to further enlighten us.   If everybody
who was in on it before is willing, the tape tree could be revived and
xTc could be spread to the unfortunate and disadvantaged.

I'm not trying to guilt those that have spent countless hours and
numerous dollars putting together an exhaustive collection, but being
hampered by my location (Waterloo, intellectually fertile but culturally
sterile) and my own financial situation ("...bought a house that won't
repair itself..."), it certainly would earn somebody several thousand karma
points by spreading some of this great music around.

Ted Harms                   Library, Univ. of Waterloo
tmharms@library.uwaterloo.ca        519.888.4567 x3761
"True affluence is not needing anything."  Gary Snyder

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Message-Id: <9606262317.AA2766@worldcom-47.worldcom.com>
From: Martin Bell/New Zealand/IDG Net  <Martin_Bell/New_Zealand/IDG_Net@idg.com>
Date: 27 Jun 96 10:59:31
Subject: New album titles?

In Chalkhills #2-126 Joshua Hall-Bachner <particle@servtech.com> replied/wrote

>>"tricolor and phrygian cap"*

>>* from Then She Appeared, definetely my choice as next new album title...

>I dunno; if you mean Tricolor and Phrygian Cap, it's a bit too long (and too
>similar to Oranges & Lemons). Just "Phrygian Cap" could work, tho. Anyway,
>here are my choices for the next album name:

>Vintage Wine                    (from My Bird Performs)
>Nature's Sunken Wreck           (from Humble Daisy)
>Whispering Chimneys             (from Rook)
>Countless Cathedrals            (from That Wave)
>Cloud Eleven                    (from That Wave)
>Pale Atlantis                   (from Then She Appeared)
>The Big Box Of Paints           (from Wrapped In Grey)

>Any other suggestions? Maybe we should set up a betting pool. :) Anyway,
>"Pale Atlantis", "Cloud Eleven", and "Nature's Sunken Wreck" are my
>favorites, and the ones I think have the best chance of being picked.

I know it breaks the "line from a song on the previous album" pattern, but
how about using a song title? In fact, how about "Then She Appeared". Given
the protracted label wranglings and the anticipation (in me, anyway) that
the new Andy demo's are generating, I think this would be PERFECT. The
lustful tone of many of Andy's new songs would also suit a feminine album
title. And given that any XTC album is a "vessel" for Andy (and Colin's)
songs, nautical convention would dictate "She" as the correct gender. By
god, those new demo's are exquisite. Now that XTC are free from the
clutching Virgin, I wish they'd hurry up and sign to another label! The
world needs these songs! Oooh, I've come over all funny. Excuse me and
farewell for now - I'm off to listen to "The Green Man".

Martin
Relevant XTC-related quote - "Banish the old, bring in the new"

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Message-ID: <31D20319.3C34@uky.campus.mci.net>
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 20:42:17 -0700
From: "Raul Escudero, Jr." <ccbree@uky.campus.mci.net>
Subject: Re: theatre & XTC

> I have no evidence that an interest in theatre and an interest in XTC
> naturally go together, but if anyone feels like conducting a poll, count me
> in as a professional theatre critic. You could also add a friend of mine
> who does a lot of theatre music (sometimes with deliberate, not to say
> obscure, XTC references) and also the literary manager of the Manchester
> Royal Exchange Theatre. So that's three of us . . .
>
> Mark Fisher (fisher@easynet.co,uk)

You can count me in, too. I've been involved in the community theatre scene
here in Lexington, Kentucky as an actor, sometimes-stage manager, and
supporter.  But, I doubt this is a trend or that it means anything, just a
happy coincidence that there are that many of us connected to theatre. Any
one else?

Raul Escudero, Jr.

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 19:35 -0600 (MDT)
From: Miles or Gigi Coleman <coleman@cougarnet.byu.edu>
Subject: RE: Green Acres
Message-id: <0DTMXQF1D00CKE@ACS2.BYU.EDU>

>You know, fun and hilarity on the farm
>with Eddie Fisher and Eva Gabor?  What was the pig's name?  Anyone remember?

Arnold Zukerman

Miles and Gigi Coleman		Provo, Utah
http://www.byu.edu/~coleman	Family Home Page
http://www.mission.net		Index for Alumni of LDS Missions

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Message-Id: <199606270246.MAA30143@warchives.riv.csu.edu.au.>
From: "Simon Knight" <sknight@warchivegw.riv.csu.edu.au>
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 11:26:56 +0000
Subject: Sux degrees of seperation

>From: "J. D. Mack" <jdmack@nicom.com>

>Actually, there is a link between Celine Dion and XTC.  One of the
>orchestral arrangements on Celine's latest album was done by Andrew Pryce
>Jackman, who did the orchestral arrangements on "Fish Out Of Water" by Chris
>Squire, which had Bill Bruford on drums, who now drums in King Crimson along
>side Pat Mastelotto, who drummed on "Oranges and Lemons."  So don't be so
>quick to dis Celine!

>There's also a Mike & The
>Mechanics link - Pete Phipps drummed on a Mike Rutherford track for the B-side
>of a Phil Collins single.

>How about a new thread; the most depressing XTC connection? Maybe someone
>out there can provide a link from XTC to Rod, Jane and Freddy (one for the
>UK Chalkies there), or XTC and The Goombay Dance Band. Any takers?

NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!
If people start playing "Six degrees of seperation" on this list i
will personally walk the earth until i find each culprit and lay a
"reign of blows" down upon their respective heads!  ;-)

Oh, all right then:  XTC live on the same planet as Bon Jovi.  (And
it only took me one step!)

Incidentally, has anyone thought about adding a video list to the
archives, where a description and any information about the recording
of each could be found?  Maybe fan interpretations as well.  Having
never seen the videos for the "Mummur" and "Big Express" singles, i'd
like to at least know what they look like.  (Chalkhills & Children
only makes vague references to most of the videos).

Oh, if only someone would write as detailed an XTC book as Marcus
Gary's R.E.M. tome, It Crawled From The South, a treasure trove of
useless obsessive information.  Exactly what a fan wants!

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Message-Id: <199606270326.AAA09382@Fox.nstn.ca>
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 23:31:08 +0100
From: enrico@fox.nstn.ca (Erich W.)
Subject: This and That

Happy to see people finaly acknowleging ES. It's still my choice for
getting converts. Had my nephew over on the weekend, a music major at
college, and he'd never heard of the lads!! What the Hell do they teach
nowdays? Ran some tracks by him, ie. Yacht dance (he said it sounded
African - guess they don't teach Medieval music) and English Roundabout.
Happy to say we have a new disciple! Wait till he hears Black Sea and the
ever popular Nonsvch!

Re Fripp being difficult - I saw the League of Gentlemen years ago (the
date's on the back of their album) here at a bar venue and wound up playing
pinball beside him. He was most polite, talkative, and a generally nice
bloke. As for Mr. Belew, he's worked with some of the wonkiest people in
the biz ie, FZ, Laurie Anderson, Byrne: I don't think Andy would give him
any trouble! (By the way, anyone out there ever hear THE BEARS? And what
ever happened to them?).

Producer: Andy
Drummer: Terry
Best Bassist of all time: Alphonso Johnson

Bye Bye!

Enrico in cool, calm Ottawa

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Message-Id: <v01530500adf7c279fc91@[139.80.196.84]>
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 16:46:32 +1200
From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)
Subject: some nice chords!

I know, I know, sometimes I'm slow to work out guitar chords (although when
I do try, I can usually find them quite quickly). But last night I was just
mucking around with the old six string in D and I played a variety of Gm
xx0333. "Hmmm..." I thought, "that sounds familiar!" So I tried repeatedly
swapping between a standard, boring old D (xx0232) and this Gm pattern.
Before I knew what I was doing, I was singing "Holly up on Poppy" at the
top of my lungs, quickly changing to a G and a A7sus (x02030). What a great
song! And from a wonderful, wonderful underrated album, too (he says,
adding his 5 cents to the debate!*)

James

* New Zealand no longer has 1c and 2c pieces :)

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Date: 27 JUN 96 12:28:19 EST
From: PCulnane@dca.gov.au
Subject: re: Videos
Message-ID: <0000txvjfprt.0000sgskwsqc@dca.gov.au>

While agreeing with most of the sentiments expressed by Steven Varga in
'Hills # 126; that the video portion of XTC's body of work should be
upgraded, I must, with respect, correct him on a couple of points if I may:
(1) My copy of Look Look has a hi-fi soundtrack, and all clips have been
re-mastered with true stereo sound.  My Look Look looks and sounds great!
(The original UK Virgin release was mono/non-hi fi but still looked pretty
good I reckon).
(2) Do you realise, Steven, what's entailed to produce a Dolby Surround
soundtrack?  It would mean that all the clips would have to have their
soundtracks re-mixed into surround to suit this format.  I doubt anybody
would bother.  Why, XTC seldom even did remixes for singles.  I'm just
thankful that somebody did a good job in "stereo-fying" the old clips for
Look Look.

Apart from that, I agree it would be nice to have an upgraded compendium of
all the video clips ever made by the band for Virgin.  I'm not optimistic,
however, that such a beast will ever see the light of day.

Thanx for listening; I wasn't trying to be a smart-arse, just realistic.
PAUL

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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 22:49:10 -0700
Message-Id: <199606270549.WAA27737@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com>
From: mikem9@ix.netcom.com (Mike Martis )
Subject: Pigs 'n' Things

Some XTC wishes and things that must be removed from my chest...

New album's drummer - Michael Urbano...plays on Paul Westerberg's
latest, "Eventually." A "fatback" (don't ask me what it means, but it's
supposed to be a large compliment) drummer, he's done remarkable work
with a variety of people and styles. And if the Swindonians want to
bring in a session guitarist (three guitars a charm?), they know how to
get ahold of Lyle Workman (Jellyfish, Frank Black, etc.). Workman, who
broke in with Urbano when they played together in Bourgeois Tagg, is
greatly admired by his friend, Dave Gregory.

New album's producer - A genetically-engineered hybrid of John Leckie,
T-Bone Burnett, Hugh Padgham and Don Was. If the science world isn't
ready for that, offer it to Leckie.

New album title - 'Then She Appeared.' If that doesn't qualify because
it was an actual song title (as opposed to just a lyric), then my first
runner-up is 'Milk and Coins.' If that's deemed too close a Lennon
'Milk and Honey' ripoff, then the second runner-up is 'Balloons and
Streamers.' Consolation prize: 'Yep, It's Us!'

Blatant Beatle (McCartney, anyway) Heist No. 3,973: The Sugarplastic's
'Another Myself' off their Bang, The Earth Is Round album. These guys
cleanly and neatly lift a few bars from the chorus of Band on the Run's
'Jet' and deposit into their own chorus. Unbelievable. For good
measure, they also help themselves to the opening bars of 'Happy
Trails' on their 'Say Katie.'

Blatant XTC Heist No. 722, 723 and 724: The Sugarplastic's 'Sheep,'
'The Way This Is' and 'Polly Brown' off same album. All three could've
been rejects from the Drums and Wires sessions.

Pertinent Musical Question No. 4,681: Does this type of larceny bother
anyone? And why? Where is the line of good taste drawn? Why are some
artists lauded (or at least forgiven) for their "interpretations" or
"influences" of other bands while others get lambasted for their
borrowing habits?

MHO Of a Tasty "Influence": The World Is Full Of Angry Youn Men. OK,
maybe you can't credit these guys with being Colin's sole source of
inspiration for this one, but it absolutely nails the Steely Dan sound.
Fagen and Becker would've loved to have written this song.

Three More Songs Jazzy Guys Wish They'd Written: I Remember The Sun,
The Man Who Sailed Around His Soul, Miniature Sun.

And While I'm At It - The Most Beautiful, Most Urgent and Most
Enchanting XTC Songs (IMHO), In Order: Chalkhills and Children, Wake
Up, Jason And The Argonauts.

To Yazbek: Love the record, but...what's up with the devil cover and
lyrical references (Welcome To My World, 666)? Just curious.

Finally, The Pig: Arnold. Arnold Ziffle. Next to Zeb, probably my
favorite Green Acres character.

There, I feel much better now...

--Mike

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Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 16:35:35 +0930
From: John Clark +63 08 204 9347 <JCLARK@mars.lands.sa.gov.au>
Subject: saying Gday
Message-id: <01I6ERRAUBYQ0014DE@mars.lands.sa.gov.au>

     Hi Chalkhills people.My names John Clark and Im a First Timer here-a kind
     of E-mail virgin.Hopefully this works.
     Anyway,Im a big XTC fan and was surprised to find so much information on
     the band on the net.Technology actually can be wonderful.
     Now that Ive found out that XTC have so many other tracks around that Ive
     never heard as theyre not on the albums,Im hoping that someone whose got
     some rare tracks may email me so I can get a tape of them Etc.Its sad as
     I havent got a lot of the b-sides or even Dear God as Ive only ever
     bought the albums but not the singles.
	P.s-Has anyone bought the eight or so Extatic Series Pirates/rarities
     cds.I bought one and thought the quality was a bit suspect.

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Message-Id: <199606271047.LAA17780@aoife.indigo.ie>
From: "Peter Fitzpatrick" <beatle@indigo.ie>
Subject: Nigel Drums....Help !
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 11:49:47 +0100

Hi,
ok, I give up.
My attempts to recreate THAT drum pattern have been apalllllling.
I've stooped to sampling it.......tried writing it down.......ARRGH!

Can anyone help me with this ? a transcription ? midi file ?

~Peter

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From: fisher@easynet.co.uk
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:10:22 +0100
Message-Id: <v01510100adf8c516e864@[194.128.83.69]>
Subject: this is pop

It simply isn't true to say that U2 and REM have not progressed musically
over their careers. What's quite surprising is that despite the level of
their success, they have made conscious efforts to change. As it happens, I
haven't been personally inclined to listen to U2 since their first two
albums (and it's a long time since I've given even them a play) and I do
prefer the earlier enigmatic REM to their rockier incarnation (though even
here there's lots of brilliant stuff). But that's as much a question of my
taste as their art.

I think there *is* a general point to be made about less demanding stuff
being more likely to be popular, but that is far more true of, say, Bryan
Adams and Phil Collins than it is of U2 and REM. I think these two bands
have achieved success in a way that XTC haven't not because of the music
but because of better promotion.

In the case of U2, an appearance at Live Aid propelled them overnight into
a major international live act and - like Bruce Springstein before them -
they have become one of a select number whose support has been sustained by
their live performances. XTC had a big live following that would surely
have grown bigger (not as big, perhaps, but bigger) had events not turned
out as they did.

In the case of REM, I remember when Murmer came out in the UK (close to the
time of Mummer I recall) and it was obvious that this unkown band had the
backing of a major marketing campaign. You'd see record shop windows full
of Murmer merchandise, where there had been virtually nothing for Mummer,
which was by an established and reasonably successful act. I just think
REM's management knew what it was doing in a way that XTC's did not. Having
had a couple of hit singles, REM's most recent live dates where considered
to be a major public event. And good on 'em.

I also think the comparison with Elvis Costello is spurious. Costello might
not be up there with Prince and U2 in popularity, but he is still (at least
in Britain) a major act who has sustained his popularity through continual
live performance and frequent album releases. I don't think we need to feel
sorry for him. I'm sure he's doing very nicely. Probably about as nicely as
XTC in similar circumstances.

I don't think playing live is any longer the answer for XTC. They were
brilliant when they did tour, but their subsequent material is not designed
for the live environment. Most of the "live" radio sessions they have done
just sound like clumsy versions of the recorded material, with no special
quality to compensate. They'd have to do a lot of reworking and a lot of
rethinking to get back into the way of being a decent live band again.

That being the case, it will take an extra special effort to re-establish
them in the popular imagination as a living - but not live - band that
might be worth further investigation from people who've never heard of
them. Perhaps a new record label will make that effort.

Mark Fisher (fisher@easynet.co,uk)

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From: jde@abingdon.geoquest.slb.com (Jon Eva)
Message-Id: <9606271323.ZM18108@rs560.abingdon.geoquest.slb.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 13:23:17 +0000
Subject: Actually there isn't one, I just waffle for a bit

Dear All,

I'm in the middle of marking a pile of GCSE maths. papers at the moment,
and I'm sad to report that the lowest mark so far (a magnificent four out
of ninety) was submitted by a certain A. Partridge. Perhaps Colin And Dave
should insist that they handle the royalty payments in the future.

From: smcdow@arlut.utexas.edu (Stuart McDow):

>  Whoops - "pissed off" means "angry" in America, as opposed to
>  drunk.

Actually "pissed off" means exactly the same over here. I always thought
that Americans used "pissed" to mean angry (which _does_ mean drunk in
Britain). Are there regional difference or something?

I don't suppose there are too many fans of the great Welsh band "Man" on
this list, but, whether you are or not, if you get the chance read the
recently published book by their lead singer, Deke Leonard, called "Winos,
Rhinos and Lunatics". It's the funniest "Rock and Roll" book I've ever read,
and will make you want to start taking drugs again.

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