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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 11, Number 48

               Wednesday, 7 September 2005


                     Re: Perspective
                  guns, gas, and George
                  RE: Here Comes the Sun
                  a simple question ...
       The Meeting Place 2005 - *Gathering Update*
     Since the topic doesn't seem closed after all...
                      White stripes
           King For A Day (I Dub Thee Sir Mix)


Normally I would not have let some of these messages into the digest, but
since I let Mr. Pastula respond after the cutoff, in the spirit of fairness
I have allowed these messages through, too.  Was that constructive?
Probably not.  Should you respond to them?  Probably not.  Let's let this
topic die, please.

This same situation arose on another list, and Greg Ingber wrote:

    I have been on music/pop culture lists that have just been decimated
    by precisely this sort of off-topic political stuff.  When fans of
    [INSERT ARTIST HERE] feel like they have to leave the list because
    they don't share the politics of a majority of vocal listmembers...
    in my opinion, THAT's when the community is dead.

I fully agree.  (On the other hand, things sure got exciting around here.)

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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:04:47 EDT
Subject: Re: Perspective
Message-ID: <>

Chris Derfler <> writes:
> I/You/We
> create
> My/Your/Our
> reality/realities
> with My/Your/Our
> thoughts, beliefs, desires, intents, and purposes.

Samuel Johnson and I call Bullshit:

57. Refutation of Bishop Berkeley
After we came out of the church, we stood talking for some time together of
Bishop Berkeley's ingenious sophistry to prove the nonexistence of matter,
and that every thing in the universe is merely ideal. I observed, that
though we are satisfied his doctrine is not true, it is impossible to refute
it. I never shall forget the alacrity with which Johnson answered, striking
his foot with mighty force against a large stone, till he rebounded from it
-- "I refute it *thus.*"

-- Boswell: Life of Johnson

Harrison "" Sherwood


Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:00:10 -0300
From: "Kevin Brunkhorst" <>
Subject: guns, gas, and George
Message-ID: <BAY104-F38D0408CA9215F590023B1B6A10@phx.gbl>

<<Guns are not the problem, people.  They do not magically influence a
culture to begin killing itself, nor does their removal, confiscation, or
unnecessary regulation suddenly make everyone start to behave.>>

No, Americans are the problem.

American culture is completely entangled with gun ownership and autmobile
culture.  This has led to the current state of fossil-fule addiction and
warmongering, among other things.

If you're not sure about that, try to imagine an America in which gasoline
is $6-7/gallon, few own automobiles, NASCAR is outlawed, most existing cars
get 60+/MPG, and alternative fuels are in a high state of evolution.  (I
can't envision it yet either, folks.)  Even if the government got behind it
(it won't), the American people (who have been reduced mostly to consumers
now) would not.

It's dumb chance that Henry Ford decided that gasoline would be the best
thing to power his invention.

What does this have to do with guns?  To my reality, it is all part of the
American psyche.  A society that prizes guns doesn't mind using them one
bit.  There is little difference between the man who owns a gun and the
soldiers who are killing and being killed in Iraq.  America is a gun
culture.  Right now, W is using the collective firepower of the US military
to get access to the Arab world... which is where the oil is...

...and round goes the wheel.

I love freedom, George.

I'll say no more about this here.  This is for XTC.  I'm not checking off of
this list.  I've been here for about 10 years, and I'll have to transcribe
the chords to the next XTC recording, when it comes.

Kevin Brunkhorst
(BTW, I grew up in an American home where guns were common; my father is a
champion trapshooter, and I could bulls-eye a regulation target from 40
yards with a 20-guage at age 12.  I believe guns do more harm than good, and
Americans love them way too much to be healthy.)

Music Department
St Francis Xavier University


Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:04:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: acuthbert <>
Subject: RE: Here Comes the Sun
Message-ID: <10847344.1125522294578.JavaMail.Administrator@ATP2>

Way to go Paul!  I always love reading your posts.



Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:30:34 -0400
From: "Danny Phipps" <>
Subject: a simple question ...
Message-ID: <001401c5ae8c$5f3cc600$0201a8c0@YOUR6FC9056E3D>

What happened to XTC content here?

Nobody here talks much about the actual band anymore!

Just wondering ...

"Be the sound of 'Higher Love' today!" ~ (Jon Anderson)


Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 22:45:50 -0500
From: "David Lake" <>
Subject: The Meeting Place 2005 - *Gathering Update*
Message-ID: <001e01c5af70$cf8190a0$c6220d18@10dbPad>

If you have not yet seen previous digest posts,
a large gathering of XTC fans is taking place
30 Sep - 2 Oct in Swindon, England.  This three
day festival includes entertainment, trips and
all around ecstacy (pun intended!)

One great highlight of the weekend features an
auction of XTC created, related and inspired
goods.  All proceeds of this auction, along with
all profits from the weekend are to be split
between two charities near and dear to the XTC
heart.  The MS Society and Diabetes UK.

To see these items beforehand, you can visit the
official Gathering website:

Click on the Auction Items link.

For those of you who are not able to attend the
Gathering, write-in bids for items will be taken
as well.  Details of the bidding process can
also be found on the website link.

We hope to see you at the Gathering.



Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 12:55:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Todd Bernhardt <>
Subject: Since the topic doesn't seem closed after all...
Message-ID: <>

...can I just say one thing, with apologies to the Coen brothers, Jeff
Bridges, John Goodman, and everyone else involved with The Big

Shut the fuck up, Aaron.


"No society that feeds its children on tales of successful violence
can expect them not to believe that violence in the end is rewarded."
   Margaret Mead, anthropologist (1901-1978)


Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 16:23:26 +0100 (BST)
From: Paul Culnane <>
Subject: White stripes
Message-ID: <>


I'm administering a bit of musical medicine to myself.  And I have
followed the advice of Spinal Tap.  To whit: it's "beyond eleven".

I haven't listened to this for ages, and it's just causing all sorts
of musical orgasms.  Simply, it's "The White Album".  Oh, yummo!

I'd like to recommend, (from my estranged beloved friend Benjy and
beyond), to anybody else, go back and plug this one in... it is the
conclusive definitive compendium of anything about pop and rock,
anywhere. It caint be beat.  Because (yeah), it's THE BEATLES, in a
pure white cover.

Love is all you need...



Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 12:48:19 -0400
From: C Bisson <>
Subject: King For A Day (I Dub Thee Sir Mix)
Message-ID: <>

Wanted:  Since I no longer have a working turntable, a 128kbps or better
.mp3 version of  King For A Day (I Dub Thee Sir Mix) from the King For A
Day 12" maxi-single.  If you have this version, I would appreciate a
copy through an email attachment or as a downloadable link.  Thank you.


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