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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 11, Number 30

                  Thursday, 7 July 2005

Topics:

                    The Old Chalkhills
            Friday Night At The Dublin Castle
                      Ringo Au Go Go
           Revolution in the Head (was: Ringo)
               Best Band You Never Heard Of
                    Puffy Pink Ringo 8
               Re: Ringo / P Hux Responses
               XTC - The Meeting Place 2005
                      A Singles Man?
            R-I-N-G-O and Ringo was his name-o
                         drummers

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Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 10:08:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ed Miller <miller80112@yahoo.com>
Subject: The Old Chalkhills
Message-ID: <20050704170828.47166.qmail@web50302.mail.yahoo.com>

Chalkers,

Mike Versaci wrote last time...
*******
Folxtc,

I very much appreciate the thoughtful responses to my my comments
regarding Ringo.  I miss the old Chalkhills, and this last issue
reminded me of how things used to be around here.
*******

I couldn't agree more.  I rejoined the list recently after years of
abscence.  Things are quite different around here - quite toned down
I'd say.  But it sure is nice to see the interaction about the Ringo
issue and to note how well most Chakhillers write (present company
excluded).

Thanks for the observation, Mike.

Oh yeah.  In a nutshell, I think Ringo sucks as a drummer, but I love
him.  If I recall my rock trivia, it seems that Ringo replaced Pete
because the band needed a more "technical" drummer.  Maybe so, but
that still cracks me up.

Later all,

Ed Miller
Denver, Colorado

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Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 19:53:50 +0100 (BST)
From: Rory Wilsher <rory_wilsher@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Friday Night At The Dublin Castle
Message-ID: <20050704185350.42423.qmail@web25304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hillians,

Can I just say how thoroughly and utterly X-sTatiC
rocked da house (see? I'm cool...I'm down wiv da
kidz!) on Friday night? These four guys really do make
an exceptionally good noise, and it was appreciated
again by many. I particularly liked the fact that they
tackled tracks from The Big Express and Oranges &
Lemons, as well as playing the classics.

Rory Wilsher

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Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 10:39:50 +1000
From: "Andrew Gowans" <ratwhacker@hotmail.com>
Subject: Ringo Au Go Go
Message-ID: <BAY103-F15F919514E2C8607557704C9E60@phx.gbl>

Hi Folks,

My 2c worth - Like most of you I grew up listening to the Beatles music and
it can be a bit out of left field when you hear comments like these.
However, I think familiarity may be smoothing out the wrinkles in our
musical mind's-eye (please excuse the horrible mixed metaphors, but it
explains my opinion on the issue).

A couple of sites that may provide hours of entertainment on the subject:

http://www.pootle.demon.co.uk/wgo.htm

and

http://www.beatles-discography.com/

There was also an artice in Guitar player magazine back in the 80's that
discussed the Beatles' abilities and techniques and it's generally
complimentary of Ringo. George was always a great fan of his and even Paul
has said that the Beatles gelled as a band once he joined. Jim Keltner, the
famous session muso, is also a fan of Ringo's idiosyncratic style. However,
John has been quoted as responding to a question on whether Ringo was the
best drummer in the world by saying that he wasn't even the best drummer in
the Beatles - referring to Paul's drumming on some tracks.

Who's right? Who's wrong. I don't know, but it has been an intersting
thread.

Cheers,

Andrew

P.S. - before being too critical have a look at how quickly (or hastily) a
lot of the B's tracks were put down.

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Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 17:42:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Benjamin Lukoff <blukoff@alvord.com>
Subject: Revolution in the Head (was: Ringo)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0507041738590.21702-100000@vaal.killerlink.net>

Michael Versaci <michael_versaci@yahoo.com> wrote:

> >I think you might enjoy reading Ian McDonald's 'Revolution In The Head' <
>
> Mr. Sherwood would agree, but the book is out of print and hard to
> find.  I'm sure I would really like it.

The book is technically out of print, but not too hard to find...a couple
of copies are available here of the old edition:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0805042458/chalkhills

And, I am pleased to see a second edition is coming out in just a few
weeks: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1844138283/chalkhills

That's the US. The British edition is already out:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1844138283

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Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 18:42:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: rolndart@sonic.net
Subject: Best Band You Never Heard Of
Message-ID: <5039.209.148.125.79.1120527756.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net>

We had a few nominations for this"distinction" including Kevin Gilbert and
the Mommyheads. OK here's mine:  The Pillbugs

You generally can't find their cds in the stores, read reviews of their
music, see them live or hear them on the radio (well I guess that's true
for most good bands nowdays.) They embody the spirit and vocabulary of 60s
music, but are not revivalists or reconcructionists.
Sure you can pick out their influences, The Beatles, Beach boys and other
groups, but the songwriting and performances are genuine and individual,
beautifully produced and styles diverse. Great vocals, vintage guitar and
keyboard sounds, sitars, string arrangements,  killer harmonies and hooks.
They just don't stop. And no I am not in the band ;-)

MR

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Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 11:34:21 +0100
From: Adrian Ransome <Adrian.Ransome@tsi-ltd.co.uk>
Subject: Puffy Pink Ringo 8
Message-ID: <497FEA72C392D3118AE700508B7311770D311676@nt4server03.tsi-ltd.co.uk>

Hai!

Remember Jellyfish? The band that gave us The King Is Half Undressed, Baby's
Coming Back and the disgustingly talented Jason Falkner? Ever wondered what
happened to the standing-up-drummer front man & main songwriter Andy
Sturmer? Did you, like me, believe he had fallen into the same kind of
musical black hole that seems to have claimed those loveable lads from
Swindon (gratuitous Xtc reference to keep me on topic right there, folks)?

Well, Mr Sturmer hasn't disappeared. He is now the backroom boffin behind a
Japanese pop duo who feature in the kid's cartoon Hi Hi Puffy Ami Yumi. I
noticed his name whizz by in the credits the other day when my oldest boy
was watching said cartoon on some cable channel. A quick Google of Puffy Ami
Yumi will direct you to both the Cartoon Network site and also to the
official band site where you could be unfortunate enough to listen to a
snippet of their version of the Jellyfish classic "Joining a Fan Crub (sorry
- Club)".

Let's all leave Ringo alone, shall we? He's just got his bus pass and his
pension book this week and will be feeling a little glum, poor lamb. Let's
divert our attentions to Nick Mason instead. What a stunningly uninteresting
drummer he is. There he was on Live 8, 400 drums and cymbals surrounding him
and all he managed was his traditional trademark Floyd ride/snare plod. For
Cliff's sake, he's in a prog rock band!! He should be hitting every single
drum and cymbal in as complex and mind-boggling a manner as possible in
unfeasibly indecipherable time signatures!

For those thinking what a fantastically altruistic event Live 8 was, let's
just consider the empty Pink Floyd section in my local record emporium
yesterday, the television adverts for Razorlight's album on Sunday evening
("As Seen On Live8!!") and the geezer down the bottlebank last night with
Echoes blasting out of his car stereo. On the BBC coverage, Jo Whiley
clearly upset Madonna with the wry observation that "your career only really
took off after your Live Aid appearance, didn't it?"

ade

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Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 11:40:20 EDT
From: Hbsherwood@aol.com
Subject: Re: Ringo / P Hux Responses
Message-ID: <102.644d2589.2ffc03e4@aol.com>

> From: Michael Versaci <michael_versaci@yahoo.com>
>
> >I think you might enjoy reading Ian McDonald's 'Revolution In The Head' <
>
> Mr. Sherwood would agree, but the book is out of print and hard to
> find.  I'm sure I would really like it.

Not out of print!

Not hard to find!

You'll be thrilled to know it's being reissued this month with new material
covering the "Beatles at the Beeb" and the "Anthology." How exactly they're
going to do this when the author died by his own hand in 2003 is not a
question
I'm prepared to answer.

Obituary for MacDonald: http://www.siue.edu/~aho/musov/Ian.html

Pre-order your copy of the new edition:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1844138283/chalkhills

Ringo had more nipples than anyone on this distribution list. Go on -- prove
me wrong.

Harrison "Ask me how I know" Sherwood

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Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 00:06:50 -0500
From: "David Lake" <david@blushift.co.uk>
Subject: XTC - The Meeting Place 2005
Message-ID: <001d01c581e8$845536a0$c6220d18@10dbPad>

** XTC - The Meeting Place - 2005 **

The Place:  Swindon, England
The Dates:  Friday, 30 Sept through Sunday, 2 Oct, 2005
What's Missing?  You!

An unequaled gathering of Chalkhills subscribers, XTC Idea forum members and
other fans from all over the world are set to meet in Swindon, England at
the end of September this year to celebrate the band we all know and love.
This gathering will take place over two nights and two days and bring to you
many XTC related activities, musical performances and other special features
to remember for years to come.

The website containing even more information regarding discounted
pre-registration,
transporation and housing recommendations, news, and more are available
through this link:

http://www.xtcthemeetingplace2005.co.uk

We, from the organisation committee, hope that you can join us for this
memorable weekend.

Cheers,
David

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Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 10:02:14 -0400
From: KEVIN.WOLLENWEBER@jpmorgan.com
Subject: A Singles Man?
Message-ID: <OF8EF78B9B.A9EE4503-ON85257036.004B955A@jpmchase.com>

Folks:

Just wondered whether anyone heard about the forthcoming XTC singles
collection, due sometime this month.  Will this be an extensive set,
covering B-sides and added tracks when it comes to CD singles, etc.?  I
just wondered whether this is the disk or set of disks that would take the
place of RAG 'N' BONE BUFFET.  I'm still awaiting that gem since there are
many cuts from that specific disk that never appeared elsewhere.

I guess now, unfortunately, neither Andy nor Colin have any control over
the way the catalogue is treated, and Virgin can continuously reissue more
greatest hits packages.  Nevertheless, why should I just assume it will be
more drudgery?  If I hear that this will be a genuinely well-thought-out
package, I will definitely support it and wish it well regarding sales
figures.

Meanwhile, I'd heard that the lead-off track on a forthcoming box set from
Rhino, acting as a third volume/adendum to the fantastic NUGGETS series,
this one being bands of the '70's, '80's and '90's that were seemingly
effected by the whole psych explosion of music of the late 1960's, called
CHILDREN OF NUGGETS, will be none other than the magnificent Dukes of
Stratosphere, performing "Vanishing Girl".  While Rhino is the company that
tends to minimize the importance of all it touches since the catalogues now
owned by them are numerous, they are (or were) so thorough and, despite the
somewhat sarcastic liner note or two, they seem to have a desire to relate
to the fan.  I wished that Virgin would stop whining about the albitross
around their neck and relinquish XTC material to either Andy and Colin or to
Rhino who would have possibly done for them what they had done for Elvis
Costello.  Yeah, there is a such thing as overkill, but there is enough
material in those vaults to warrant a fanatic's box around any period in
XTC's career, but I don't think that would happen since there was much said,
sometimes by either Andy or Colin, around the sales of the catalogue, on
this list, and there would be much said on this list and throughout the
industry if the catalogue were released *ANYWHERE* again, even if it were
done right!!

But I'll be wanting to hear any news of the singles disk or set of disks.
It is listed in ICE Magazine as being issued this month, but there are no
accompanying articles as to just what this disk will include aside from
A-sides (sigh).

Kevin

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Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 09:35:02 -0700
From: "Wayne Klein" <wtdk123@msn.com>
Subject: R-I-N-G-O and Ringo was his name-o
Message-ID: <BAY108-F2585525AB3F39E8A4BD23BF9D90@phx.gbl>

Regarding the Ringo flap about his playing-if you listen to Michael Clarke
of The Byrds (except for the first album where a couple of tracks were
session players) and just about any rock 'n' roll drummer from the time
frame you'll find inconsistency in the playing. I'd agree that part of
Ringo's value as a player was the "feel' he brought to a song. Is he a
metronome--no. I play piano and both my brother's are musicians (one of them
a drummer) and that's never bothered them. Was Terry Chambers a perfect
drummer? Nah but, again, it was the "feel' that he brought to the material.
I always think of the "experiment" with the drum machine on "The Big
Express"--much of the material with the drum machine was interesting but
soul less.

Many of the drummers from the 60's working without click tracks (which may
make some folks sound perfect but takes the soul and feel out of the music)
had a much more distinctive personality to their playing. One chief
complaint I always heard about a lot of music during the 80's (and part of
the 90's) was how "slick" it sounded with a generic soul less quality. I
tend to associate that with the use of click tracks.

I'm always reminded of a friend who would go on and on about how a certain
(unnamed) gutiarist would play perfectly. I remarked, "that's not
rock'n'roll". If a machine can do it is it truly music or just organized
noise?

Anyhow, my two cents for what its worth--I'd rather listen something played
less than perfect with soul and inspiration than something played flawlessly
without any sense that it was actually played by a human being.

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Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 22:39:14 +0100
From: <cornwallis@cwctv.net>
Subject: drummers
Message-ID: <015cc1439210675DTVMAIL2@smtp.cwctv.net>

HELLO GUYS, MUCH TALK ABOUT RINGO.NO RINGO,NO BEATLES.NO CHAMBERS,NO
EARLY XTC CLASSICS.THE DRUMMING IN MAKING PLANS FOR NIGEL IS
UNIQUE.MORE TO THE POINT,TRY AND COPY IT,TERRYS CONTROL OF PEDALS
TAKES SOME DOING.ORIGINAL DRUMMERS ARE JUST THAT.

kind regards,  DAVE BANCROFT

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