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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 10, Number 57

                 Sunday, 5 December 2004


                 Brian, Jesus, Wikipedia
                     Re: smiley faces
                        Round Two
                     if it were live
                       RE: Cornhole
      Cool web site-check it out, you won't be sorry
                  Instant Gratification
                    Re: Verne Sketchbk
                 Columnated ruins domino!
                       Love Actualy


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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 21:10:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Benjamin Lukoff <>
Subject: Brian, Jesus, Wikipedia
Message-ID: <>

John Morrish <> wrote:
> Brian is Jesus, or rather, the only Christ we deserve...
> Which leaves Mike Love, inevitably, as Judas.

Makes sense: The Beach Boys' sound just wouldn't have been the same
without Mike (one definitely hears echoes of him on the new "Smile")--Mike
was one of the "instruments" Brian wrote for. Similarly, though Judas is
seen as an evil, treacherous man, according to the story he was an
indispensable part of God's plan. After all, without the crucifixion, no
resurrection, and without Judas, no crucifixion... !

Then, Harrison Sherwood wrote:
> Wiki[pedia's] idea of "peer review" appears to be, "sling it up there
> and see if some other fungus-encrusted obsessive complains." I mean,

As a sometimes Wikipedian (mostly confining myself to articles dealing
with Seattle and related topics, though neither fungus-encrusted nor
obsessive) I can confirm that that's exactly their idea of peer review. So
some articles are bound to be better than others. But you'd be surprised
at the accuracy and thoroughness of some...

> that wacky Wikipedia and the tricky-wicky-wacky-woo!* Check their entry
> for "XTC" ( -- one quick readthrough
> yields at least two immediate howlers...
> I think we should leave the errors in, as eternal evidence that the
> Wikipedia is as reliable as a red-aproned Scotsman (little Masonic
> humor, there, heh-heh:

The XTC article is substandard because no one has bothered to fix it! Why
not fix it yourself, thereby incrementally bringing up the standard of the
whole encyclopedia?

Ben Lukoff


Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 14:12:08 +0530
From: "Sughosh Varadarajan" <>
Subject: Re: smiley faces
Message-ID: <004f01c4d781$a87799e0$>

> From:
> Many of us I suspect have been patient with the Brian Wilson
> posts. We're safely past the initial infatuation period so a little
> criticism shouldn't be too hurtful.
> My personal favorite beach boy song has always been Back
> In The USSR  : )
> ...and quite frankly, XTC kicks "arse" on the beach boys.
> In these times of escalating atrocities some xtc lyrics with
> their superb rock have sustained me.

I will agree with (almost) all of this, not having heard Smile yet. But if
it is anything like the (IMHO) horrendously overhyped and undeserving piece
of pretty mediocrity known as "Pet sounds", I have no doubts whatsoever that
my name can be safely added to above list.

XTC kicks arse on the Beach boys, all right. Several times over. To me,
having to admit to Wilson's genius because Andy owes a lot to him, is kinda
like saying I should love Elvis because Paulie does, or John Lee Hooker
because Van The Man does. Andy may have been inspired by Wilson, but what he
does in terms of extending Wilson's ideas far supercede the "original".

Will listen to Smile anyway and see if my opinion changes.



Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 01:50:54 -0800
From: Phil Corless <>
Subject: Round Two
Message-ID: <>

I'm still selling off my CD collection... It's taking much longer than I

To everyone who wrote to me... No, I'm not dying.  And no, I haven't gone

Another few hundred discs are up on eBay:

You can keep picking my bones well into January, as that's how long it will
take to rid my home of every last CD I can find.

- Phil


Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 06:27:45 -0600
From: "Kevin Brunkhorst" <>
Subject: if it were live
Message-ID: <BAY15-F118D79CE8B5B26E4C0DE5BB6BF0@phx.gbl>

On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 16:59:06 EST, (Warren in Sacramento)

       There was a time when all I could think about was seeing an XTC
  show.  By and by, I realized that the show was in the recordings
  ... why have "Wrapped In Grey" fucked up by a tour weary throat or a
  sudden blast of monitor feedback? That shit happens, and while I would
  always have the recording to go back to, I would also have the
  unfortunate live glitch to think about ... much like I always remember
  Steve Howe fucking up the guitar part in Going For The One when I saw
  Yes on that tour.

And I respond:
We go to the circus in hopes of seeing the trapeze artist miss and fall to
the net.  We don't consciously wish for something to fuck up, but we DO want
a unique experience.  What if instead of a blast of feedback, Andy and
whoever accompanied him (we're in a perfect world here, so hear me out)
delivered a 'Wrapped in Grey' so powerful that you had no choice but to
burst into tears?  (And then dropped the microphone on the floor and ran

When you say Steve fucked up Going For The One, what do you mean?  Was he
exactly one fret short and one beat behind on each note?  Did it seem that
HE believed he fucked up?  Maybe he was being wildly creative.  I don't want
my live experience to be simply a louder copy of the CD - I consider that a
lousy concert.  (IMHO, the Cocteau Twins might be the worst live band ever,
followed closely by Squeeze.)  Too many bands have made a living simply
going out there and sounding like their recordings - until it became obvious
that they could simply play WITH their recorded backing tracks, and then you
have... the state of things now in pop music.

Two posts in one week, after lurking for, um... maybe a couple of years.
Canada is not an exciting place to live.

Kevin Brunkhorst
Professor, Department of Music
St. Francis Xavier University

"The people who own this country ought to be able to run it."
- John Jay (1745-1829), first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the US


Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 13:43:54 -0700
From: "Thomas Vest" <>
Subject: RE: Cornhole
Message-ID: <BAY18-F3473B5B58AF294743DB52EA1BF0@phx.gbl>

Hello Chalkfriendsters!

Our esteemed Mr. Sherwood wrote in 10-56:

----------->And speaking of butthole-compulsives, what is *up* with the er,
*cloacal* turn things have taken around this joint? I'm as skeptical as the
next Mason, but when two succeeding Chalkhills posts, sent from disparate
parts of the globe within an hour of each other, each uses the word
"cornhole" in its title, I say it's more than a coincidence! I hereby
declare an Astro-Glide Weekend and slip the surly bonds of earth! Make mine
a mimosa!<--

Well, as usual with many of his postings, I was lauthing my ass off about
the cornhole / Astro-Glide thing and then i remembered that I saw an article
Yahoo! a few weeks ago about a game called...... yes, if you can believe:
Cornhole  !!!!!!!

I sent the linkto the article to a good friend of mine in South Carolina and
within the hour, I received an emphatic-- dare i say enthusiastic response
to it.  He says they are playing it up near Clemson University on just about
every weekend.

Google the word "cornhole", and you will find the top hit concerning that
very game is:
The American Cornhole Association.

Take a look at the hats and shirts link on the left side of the main page.
I gotta get me one of those hats...




Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 23:28:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Tyler Hewitt <>
Subject: Cool web site-check it out, you won't be sorry
Message-ID: <>

I just stumbled upon this web site:

It contains over 19,000 photos of new wave/punk bands
taken from the late '70's to the early '80's, all
taken by the same person.

A real blast from the past, and some really obscure
bands as well.
The coolest part is 61 photos of XTC, taken between
'77 and '79, including onstage and backstage shots,
and about a dozen or so photos of the band circa '78
wandering around in Brussels. I don't think I've seen
any of them before, so it was a treat finding them.

Just be warned-if you're like me you'll spend way too
much time browsing this site and ignoring your work!



Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 09:57:45 -0800 (PST)
From: "Brent D" <>
Subject: Instant Gratification
Message-ID: <>

Hi all

Just popped over to the new i-tunes site in Canada.
I still have dial-up so I won't be a big shopper.
Here's one thing I read:

"Instant Gratification

Forget About Shrink-wrap
If you've ever been frustrated by Compact Disc
welcome to the age of digital music.
No broken fingernails, no tape sticking to your fingers.
Just good clean music, delivered straight to iTunes."

I guess I'm old.
I like record covers, record labels, CD booklets etc.

Stores sell fancy surround sound yada yada
entertainment systems but people play inferior quality
downloads on them. I don't get it.

>From the 7" to the i-pod.

For all you folks with children, can you imagine them
putting on any 45, sitting down to listen to the 3
minute ditty, getting up to flip the record over, cuing
it up then sitting down to listen to the flipside?

I still play records in my house. I have the Sesame
Street Christmas LP & CD. They are somewhat different.
Pre-Elmo & post-Elmo. My daughter (5) asked me to "Put
on Side One Daddy" instead of "Put it on". That made me

Nowadays, music is an 'it' to most people.
As valuable as toilet paper.

Pull, use, flush.
Download, listen, delete.

Happy Holiday



Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 16:24:15 -0500
From: John Relph <>
Subject: Re: Verne Sketchbk
Message-ID: <> (Marston Moor) sez:
> category A: anybody know if all jules vernes sbook songs are now
> officially out on Fuzzwarbs discs? surely by now it's completely
> covered, i haven't yet checked. am i lazy? or a foockin cornhole? (that
> mervsparks antipost was the ginchiest glitch!)

The short answer is NO.

The longer answer is:

    Young Cleopatra                 FWv5
    Motorcycle Landscape            FWv5 (extended)
    Happy Families                  N/A
    Glow                            N/A
    Moonlit Drive                   FWv6
    Broomstick Rhythm               FVw5
    Work                            FWv3
    Ra Ra for Red Rocking Horse     FWv2
    Disque Bleu                     N/A
    Mopti Fake                      FWv3
    Little Lighthouse               FWv3
    When We Get to England          FWv3
    Shaking Skin House              FWv6
    Obscene Procession              FWv2 (different version)
    Dripping Basin                  N/A

So there are still four demos remaining to be released, and even then
it won't be exactly Jules Verne's Sketchbook.  "Obscene Procession" is
very different on FWv2, and I much prefer the JVS version.

	-- John


Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 05:37:43 +0000 (GMT)
From: Paul Culnane <>
Subject: Columnated ruins domino!
Message-ID: <>

Just watching an interview with Henry Rollins, rivetting stuff!  FWIW,
the interviewer, James Griffin, was someone I recorded demos with in
the late 70s.  It must be said, ABC-TV in Oz is (arguably)
unsurpassable, and on a Sunday afternoon, presents the most fantastic
stuff.  I mean, bugger the bloody cricket, you can watch that anyday
if you want...

This small interlude with Henry followed a fascinating 2-hour doco on
(yes, here he comes again) Brian Wilson and the genesis of SMiLE.  If
it wasn't enough to have one's psyche profoundly altered by the actual
concert (and I'll leave it to Dunks to present his eloquent review,
because I'm still gobsmacked and feeling comfortably feeble), here I
stumble across a wonderful account, with a cast of characters
including Carol Kaye, Hal Blaine and many others.  Footage of Brian
performing "Surf's Up" at the piano - at the time!  Migosh, a fabulous
visual and aural feast.  And then they had excerpts from the London
SMiLE concert itself!  It was funny to see Macca being a groupie, but
even more weird to see Brian being in awe in his presence.  Brian is
not a nutter, I'm convinced, just damaged goods.  Special mention to
the genious and magnanimity (?) of Darian Sahananja who brought this
to fruition.  He has a cute SMiLE shirt, among other favourable
assets, and at the concert I was so close I could just about see up
his very pretty nostrils.  Brian Wilson makes music to move you to
(happy) tears, that's enough for me (and the whole prospect makes me

Post-script: Fat slag harridan she-bitch in the flat below me was away
this weekend.  Opportunity to indulge a bit.  Recipe?  "Nonsvch"
louder than you might normally.  Try it if you can, forget about "cold
icy blasts" - this elpee rawks when you have it on hard!

"Art is never finished, only abandoned"  ~ Leonardo Da Vinci



Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 12:18:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Richard Greenleaf <>
Subject: Love Actualy
Message-ID: <>

I was watching the DVD of Love Actualy last week and
decided to peruse the Extra Features. I was watching
the interview with director Richard Curtis(Also the
writer for The British TV Series Blackadder) about how
he chose the music for the film and it seems his
original choice for a song to be played over the last
scene in the Heathrow Airport was none other than The
Loving by XTC. It seems that the song didn't quite fit
because it was a bit too loud rocking for the scene.
Instaed he used God Only Knows by the Beach Boys.
Intersesting coincidence considering all the talk of
late about Smile and Brian Wilson. Not bad company to
be in for either.
Back to lurking,Richard

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