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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 10, Number 56

                Tuesday, 30 November 2004


              Hello from School for the Dead
                    Dog Day Afternoon?
          the whole music experience in general
                Verne Sketchbk/Mok's SMiLE
                  * January 24, 1980 DVD
              Ahhh, The Trouble With Mervyn
                       smiley faces
              Some recent topics of interest
            Scottish Rite, or Scottish Wrong?
              XTC Video of a few years back
                      Xmas Prezzies
                   Re: Exit Stage Left


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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 12:01:46 -0500
From: "Henning Ohlenbusch" <>
Subject: Hello from School for the Dead
Message-ID: <>


Henning here from a band called School for the Dead.  I was looking through
your XTC site, as I do, and thought the following mp3 might fit in well
with your sounds and midi list.  It's not an XTC song but it IS a song
based on many XTC lyrics and styles.  It's called Thug and is littered with
references to the band and to the songs.

It's here:

Thanks for your time,
Henning Ohlenbusch
School for the Dead


Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 06:38:29 +0000 (GMT)
From: Paul Culnane <>
Subject: Dog Day Afternoon?
Message-ID: <>

Here' s something cute from the "Random Notes" section of December
2004 issue of Oz "Rolling Stone" mag.  Doesn't our Terry look
magnificent?  As is my custom, I helped facilitate this meeting.
Enjoy everybody!

At your service

	[ ]


Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 13:26:52 -0400
From: "Kevin Brunkhorst" <>
Subject: the whole music experience in general
Message-ID: <BAY15-DAV963C820E957B5346C0685B6BC0@phx.gbl>


Discussions of Brian Wilson's heretofore abandoned Smile, of Andy's Fuzzy
Warbles, and a mention of the Capitol Beatles box set.

It brings up the questions: what is the nature of the artist's intent, and
what good is it?  Brian Wilson rescues his abandoned project after many
years, Andy releases his unpackaged/uncommodified/unpolished demos, and
Capitol releases their re-packaged/recommodified/altered Beatles recordings.
(I find it fascinating how that product is defended, BTW: it was the way
American kids at the time heard it, and it's the way they should hear it
now.  Ah, misrecognition!  One could argue that they should best be listened
to on cheap phonographs, with their speakers built into the lid.)

Everything we listen to that falls under the category of 'recorded music'
must by neccesity go through a process of some kind - done either by the
artist, record label, engineer, etc. - that by necessity alters its content.
The musical experience with the greatest degree of human 'aura' or physical
resonance would be the live performance, which in the case of XTC, is not
likely on the horizon. (But then I said that about Steely Dan, right up
until I saw the first Madison Square Garden show in '93.)  And those
experiences are altered by the realities of the 'concert' industry.

The 'recording', 'editing', 'packaging', and 'marketing' processes introduce
other, foreign elements into the listening experience.  It is always so.
Today's Chalkhills reminded me.  I say this not to freak anyone, but to
point it out.  It's all a construction job, and we have a choice as to the
final assembly.

(back to lurking, my guitar, Zizek, the laundry, etc)

Kevin Brunkhorst
professor, Department of Music
St Francis Xavier University
PO Box 5000
Antigonish, Nova Scotia
B2G 2W5

PS: and there's a store on Barrington Street in Halifax NS with the White
Horse of Uffington on its sign.


Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 12:55:28 -0500
From: (Marston Moor)
Subject: Verne Sketchbk/Mok's SMiLE
Message-ID: <>

and now for something completely indifferent,

category A: anybody know if all jules vernes sbook songs are now
officially out on Fuzzwarbs discs? surely by now it's completely
covered, i haven't yet checked. am i lazy? or a foockin cornhole? (that
mervsparks antipost was the ginchiest glitch!)

twould be fun to digicompile the audiophile upgrade JVS, as it was meant
to be, as nature intended (back in ye olde barrie ontariooo). i think i
know now what i wanna do after lunch.

category B: BBSmile aficianados, rejoice: there is finally a nearperfect
fantape compile of all the original 6Ts versions, available cheaply here
(best ever heard):

i'm a clockwork creep vs prince of orange,


Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 12:19:22 -0600
From: "Music Is Special" <>
Subject: * January 24, 1980 DVD
Message-ID: <BAY20-DAV9750E4377B4F8CEC42616D5BC0@phx.gbl>

Thanks for making this available Chris.  If anybody does not have ability to
download this and wants a copy, send me your trade list and mailing address
ASAP.  I will make a copy before taking off my hard drive.


"Chris & Melany" <> wrote:
>I put in quite a few hours cleaning this one up for you kind folks here.


Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 16:59:06 EST
Subject: Ahhh, The Trouble With Mervyn
Message-ID: <>

    I enjoyed the deconstruction's of Mervyns post, and it promts me out of
lurk mode for a minute.

    Regarding Merv's allegations on Andy's unwillingness to perform: I have
been a working musician in one form or another for nearly *40* (gasp!)
years.  There is not one, I repeat, one gig that I play that I am not
subject to some degree of nervousness. I know at least one other very gifted
writer/player friend of mine whose stage issues drove him to quit
performing. I know of one guy who was in a very popular band here in
Sacramento who told me one night that he throws up before every show. And I
got to a point, thanks to other issues at the time, where my nerves caused
me to quit live shows for a time in the mid-80's. Trust me, it was VERY hard
to get back on the horse and ride.

    There was a time when all I could think about was seeing an XTC show. By
and by, I realized that the show was in the recordings ... why have "Wrapped
In Grey" fucked up by a tour weary throat or a sudden blast of monitor
feedback? That shit happens, and while I would always have the recording to
go back to, I would also have the unfortunate live glitch to think about
... much like I always remember Steve Howe fucking up the guitar part in
Going For The One when I saw Yes on that tour.

    Nope, sorry Merv ... Andy did his time in the crap tour wars and he made
his decision on solid grounds. If he ever pulls a Brian Wilson and heads
back on the road in his late 50's I'll be there, but for now .... Just keep
writing. Partsy.

     Different subject ... anybody buy the first set of lead figures? How do
they look? I'm thinking of buying a set (gotta fund the next XTC/Andy solo

    Another different subject ... I thought I saw some allusions to Colin's
wife being ill again. My ex-drummer just lost his wife a week ago, and I
hope nothing that drastic is in the cards for Mr. Moulding.

Pie and Punch to all,
Warren in Sacramento


Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 21:56:54 -0800
Subject: smiley faces
Message-ID: <>

"Bram and Bill" wrote:

 >Fellow Chalk Folk,

 >For the past few weeks I have been reading gushing review after gushing
 >review of Brian Wilson's SMiLE. I have listened to it, and frankly, I don't
 >quite get it.  I should say that I have never been a fan of the Beach Boys
 >or Wilson.  Yeah they have nice harmonies, and Wilson throws in interesting
 >instrumentation here and there, but it's far from consistent.  It doesn't
 >hold my ear and never has.  ...
 >...I guess there is something wrong with me.  There is, after all, no
 >accounting for taste.


 >(PS I do like "Good Vibrations".  Good song.)

Thank you
Many of us I suspect have been patient with the Brian Wilson
posts. We're safely past the initial infatuation period so a little
criticism shouldn't be too hurtful.

My personal favorite beach boy song has always been Back
In The USSR  : )

...and quite frankly, XTC kicks "arse" on the beach boys.

In these times of escalating atrocities some xtc lyrics with
their superb rock have sustained me.

Another Steve


Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:42:06 +0000
From: John Morrish <>
Subject: Some recent topics of interest
Message-ID: <>

Re: "mervyn.sparks" and Andy's Cornhole

"I'm a troll, fol de rol, and I'll eat you up for supper."
					Danny Kaye, Three Billy Goats Gruff

A sterling defence of Andy by Wes, but I think the silent treatment
practised by most of the Folks Who Live On The Hill makes more sense
when dealing with people so obviously cruising for a bruising.

I did find this a winningly shaped phrase, however:

> Your a cold-hearted prick and I hope like hell you
> aren't in a position of authority somewhere.

Andy *is* lazy, but he's also a veritable musical Stakhanovite
( when it suits him. He is large, he contains

Re: teaming up to buy Andy a copy of Smile for Christmas

Well, it's true Britain is a bit crap, and Andy is not living in the
McCartneyesque splendour he deserves, but Old Town Swindon is not quite
the Third World yet. Andy and Dave went to the gigs: if they want the
record - and I'm sure they do - they'll have bought it. I wanted it
too, but I'm waiting for someone to buy it for me for Christmas. After
all, isn't that when The Smile You Send Out Returns To You?

Re: Professor Sherwood on Smile

> A thousand years from now, theologians may well still ponder the
> ineffable
> question: Given that Brian Wilson is God, does it then not follow that
> Carnie Wilson is Jesus?

Wrong, wrong, wrong, you over-educated, under-worked twerp. It goes
like this:

Dad: Nasty one-eyed Murray is Joseph, the craftsman, handy with his
mitts, who can't quite understand what it is he's fathered, but is
overwhelmingly proud... yet jealous. Takes the lad around, shows him
off, carries him on his shoulders, takes him to temple/McDonalds, etc.
Then the boy grows up and has his own ideas.

Mum: kind, feeble Audree is Mary, caring for the growing lad with the
slightly obscure parentage. An angel! Tell that to the Marines. Her
crime is that she cannot protect her son from his only too human

Brian is Jesus, or rather, the only Christ we deserve, as the famous
Algeria-born goalkeeper put it. He doesn't get physically nailed to a
piece of wood, but he still suffers. His sensations and gifts are
sufficiently powerful they scare everyone, himself most of all.

Carl is Jesus's brother whose name I can't remember.

Dennis will have to be Jesus's other brother.

Al is several disciples.

Which leaves Mike Love, inevitably, as Judas.

So who's God? God, of course, with music as the Holy Spirit. It is for
me, anyway.

Re: Mashed Swedes

A fine piece of writing cleverly discovered by Relph and midwifed by
Versace. What a cast-list! I can take or leave The Cramps (mostly
leave), but Messiaen aka Nessaien can be sublime.

As for Paddy McAloon... In my not all that humble opinion, the
half-blind County Durham Catholic is the only artistic equal of the
half-blind Swindon armchair pagan. True, "I trawl the MEGAHERTZ" was
slightly half-arsed, but so was Apple Venus I and II.

My dream partnership is Paddy and Andy, believer and unbeliever in
perfect harmony. Of course, neither quite *gets* the other. But that
sounds like a promising start, now Colin has effectively swapped bass
guitar for pipe, slippers and a range of pesticides.

Ask yourself, which is the better record of demos, Paddy's "Protest
Songs", or any one off the Warbles mountain?

Re: Bush

Did anyone see those posters that said "Why change horseman
mid-Apocalypse?" That pretty much summed it up for me.

If you have been, thank you for listening.

John Morrish


Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:50:15 EST
Subject: Scottish Rite, or Scottish Wrong?
Message-ID: <>

Ol' Perfesser Hiner expostulates:

> The Second National Bank was actually not dismantled during this time
> period, although most Americans expected it after the election of
> Jackson (champion of the common man my ass!).  The Bank was not actually
> up for rechartering until 1836, but its director, Nicholas Biddle, in
> collusion with anti-Jacksonian Henry Clay, asked Congress for an early
> reapproval in 1832....  [snip blatant Anti-Masonic Party slander]

Oh, so mote it be, eh, Prof? I declare, I've never read such barefaced
Anti-Masonic agitprop in all my born days! Why don't you just start yourself
a blog, TheyWouldn', and be done with it!
( You are exposed,

In truth, if you have a quarrel with my absorbing and I believe
authoritative retelling of the sequence and circumstances of the dismantling
of the Second National Bank (known affectionately as "Natty Two" to its
friends, among whom I believe both of us number ourselves the staunchest),
then indeed you must lay your accusations at the feet of none other than the
mighty Wikipedia ( itself, from
which my conclusions were drawn -- cut-and-pasted, even! And if you doubt
the Wikipedia (motto: "Open Source or Just Unsourced? You Say Po-tay-to, I
Say Po-tah-to!"), you doubt the hard work and dedication of... well... of
some faceless, unaccountable herbert who may or may not have some weird ax
to grind in re. Natty Two and Wacko Jacko but we'll never know, 'cos the
Wiki idea of "peer review" appears to be, "sling it up there and see if some
other fungus-encrusted obsessive complains."

I mean, that wacky Wikipedia and the tricky-wicky-wacky-woo!* Check their
entry for "XTC" ( -- one quick readthrough
yields at least two immediate howlers, and I'm sure the gang of Official
Discographers and other butthole-compulsives within the sound of my typing
will come up with many another. But this is not a summons to the barricades:
I truly don't think we should as a body rise up and crawl like avenging
maggots over the body of the Wikipedia XTC entry. I think we should leave
the errors in, as eternal evidence that the Wikipedia is as reliable as a
red-aproned Scotsman (little Masonic humor, there, heh-heh:

And speaking of butthole-compulsives, what is *up* with the er, *cloacal*
turn things have taken around this joint? I'm as skeptical as the next
Mason, but when two succeeding Chalkhills posts, sent from disparate parts
of the globe within an hour of each other, each uses the word "cornhole" in
its title, I say it's more than a coincidence! I hereby declare an
Astro-Glide Weekend and slip the surly bonds of earth! Make mine a mimosa!

Harrison "33 Degrees of Separation with a Crowbar" Sherwood

*If you like Ukulele Lady, Ukulele Lady like-a you!


Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:09:29 -0500
From: Steve Dockery <>
Subject: Altrok
Message-ID: <>

OK, shameless plug. My friend Sean Carolan has a great station up at
live 365. I think you should check it out. It's what alternative radio
used to be like.

The latest grinders (power cuts) come from Interpol, A Girl Called
Eddy, Dogs Die In Hot Cars, The Figgs, Bongo Jones, the 22-20's and The
Adored (featuring Pete Shelley.)


Live365 URL:

Steve Dockery


Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:46:01 -0000
From: "Bluekahuna" <>
Subject: XTC Video of a few years back
Message-ID: <000601c4d715$3f9fd160$7bb99c51@mike>

Hello, I am trying to get hold of a copy of the singles video that was
out in the mid 1990's, have you any ideas or suggestions? Would be most


Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:28:39 EST
Subject: Xmas Prezzies
Message-ID: <>

Jeff Thomas writes:

> Does any one of you close-to-Andy types out there (Richard, Mitch, Wes,
> Harrison, etc...) know if Andy has a copy of "SMiLE"?  If he doesn't, maybe
> a few of us could team up and buy him one for Christmas.

He does not have a copy, but said he was expecting one for Christmas, so
let's not duplicate A Certain Somebody's shopping-and-wrapping efforts, eh?

I accused him of having worn out the grooves on the 20/20 version of "Cabin
Essence," internalizing chord progressions and turnarounds. He did not work
very hard to deny it.

I mean, good god, "Light the lamp and fire mellow,/Cabin essence timely
hello,/Welcomes the time for a change" -- Could you *get* more Apple
Venusian? Do huge puzzle pieces fall into place or *what*? Or the entirety
of "Surf's Up"?  "Canvass the town and brush the backdrop"?

Harrison "Losin' it all to an unbeliever since 1960" Sherwood


Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 21:11:24 +0000
From: hangthedj <>
Subject: Re: Exit Stage Left
Message-ID: <a06110405bdd288e44865@[]>

>Mervyn wrote
>>Does anyone know another band/performer who refuses to go on stage?

My nomination would be Scritti Politti, AKA Green Gartside and co.
Stopped touring in 1979 before they released their first LP, (though
I think they did some TOTPs and such?)

Green sited as suffering a nervous breakdown, and a singing voice
more suited to studio work put paid to touring. Infrequent but often
commercially successful studio releases followed. He is now back with
Rough Trade and working on new material and an RT retrospective. [via]


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