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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 10, Number 32

                 Wednesday, 28 July 2004

Topics:

                   How they came to be
                       Re Dead Dogs
                   Dogs Die In Hot Cars
                      RE: Dead Dogs
                      Re: Dead Dogs
              Three Salamanders and a Hammer
                        The Future
                      Re: The Nines
                XTC DVD video for trade ?
                    The Nines and XTC
                    English Roundabout

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 07:06:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Todd Bernhardt <beat_town@yahoo.com>
Subject: How they came to be
Message-ID: <20040722140615.59639.qmail@web41114.mail.yahoo.com>

Hey, kids!

Got an extra pound (that's $1.84656, or 16 oz., to you American types out
there) burning a hole in your pocket? Well then, head on over to:

http://www.ape.uk.net/acatalog/How_They_Came_To_Be.html

And find out how "This Is Pop!" and "Scarecrow People" came to be! Listen to
Andy sit in his Shed and reminisce about the writing and recording of these
Pop classics. Larfs! Thrills! Intrigue!! Bodily fluids!!! They're all there,
waiting for you to slap your virtual banknote down on the cybercounter and
walk away with them in your digital bag.

With prices like these, how can you afford *not* to buy one (or two)?

-Todd

Take a music bath once or twice a week for a few seasons, and you will find
that it is to the soul what the water bath is to the body.
--Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr., U.S. Supreme Court Justice (1841-1935)

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:17:07 +0100
From: "Pledge" <Pledge7@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re Dead Dogs
Message-ID: <001101c46ff6$922b5d90$e0552bd9@oemcomputer>

Re Paul Sandford's comments.

Hey, I know Dogs Die In Hot Cars are a complete rip off (even produced by
Langer and Winstanley so they also sound like Madness and Costello), but the
rub is their album is darned fine and it WILL turn the kids onto XTC.

Have you never liked a band, read about their influences and then got into
the bands that influenced them? Looking on the bright side there is a hell
of a lot of XTC music on the shelves of record shops that the kids can pick
up and find out what the fuss is all about.

It worked in the States for Madness, who apparently recouped with Geffen in
1998, 15 years after their one big American hit. Why? Because acts such as
No Doubt, Rancid and Mighty Might Bosstones namechecked them regularly.

I sure hope I'm right about this!

Pledge

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:58:46 +0100
From: Anthony Chapman <anthony.chapman@gmail.com>
Subject: Dogs Die In Hot Cars
Message-ID: <71498c20407220758586a6863@mail.gmail.com>

(I'm new here by the way.. have been lurking, and hope I'm not
treading on anyones toes).

I'm not sure Paul's criticism of Dogs Die In Hot Cars is entirely
fair.  The track "Man Bites Man" isn't actually on their album.  It's
definitely reminiscent of some of the upbeat Black Sea era stuff (I'm
thinking "Burning With Optimisms Flames"), but it's not just a
straight aping.

The album really is excellent, and grows on me with every subsequent
listen.  Nothing on there is really as obviously quirky as MBM, and
while the singer obviously idolises Partridge, the songs are very good
indeed.  Well worth investigating imo.

--
Anthony Chapman

http://www.scissorkicks.com

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:22:58 -0500
From: "Johnny Daytona" <johnnydaytona@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Dead Dogs
Message-ID: <BAY17-F11Mk0J46dfgf0004fc8b@hotmail.com>

Hey all,

>From: "Paul Sandford" <mail@samnjake.fsnet.co.uk>
>
>I've only just heard some Dogs Die in Hot Cars...I know there has been some
>debate about them on here, and sorry if I'm repeating old arguments, but
>isn't there some law against identity theft? I've just heard the track Man
>Bites Man and it IS XTC!!! everything from the hook to the hiccup is our
...

Stephen Malkmus from Pavement put this sort of thing into context when he
noted that nobody has ever got rich sounding like the Fall, and much the
same can be said of XTC, Andy Partridge included.  The Dogs Die combination
of XTC and Talking Heads is pretty bang on, but while the sound is very
indebted, their songs are their own.  No Science Fission Twinz, no Psycho
Kilter, the songs are their own and the songwriting is good.  The Dogs Die
in Hot Cars album is fantastic.  I gave it two listens to stop being annoyed
by it, and then after that it has been pure love.

Also recommended is the Futureheads - what the Jam would have sounded like
if barbershop had been a bigger influence.

Cheers,

Darren

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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:10:22 +0100
From: "Stephen Jackson" <planet_skaro@btopenworld.com>
Subject: Re: Dead Dogs
Message-ID: <000d01c4709d$45846f20$9e728751@default>

Paul wrote:

>>Having read several reviews which claim that the band 'namecheck' XTC

The Dogs have claimed not to be influenced by XTC. In fact, they say they
had never heard of XTC until a promoter put reference to the similarity
between on a tag line to a concert poster.

>>They aren't the first band to ever do this and they won't be the
last, but you get a little protective about some Swindonians

It's funny how few people get upset about XTC nicking ideas off the Beach
Boys....

Swings and roundabouts, I guess.

Steve

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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 05:02:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Versaci <michael_versaci@yahoo.com>
Subject: Three Salamanders and a Hammer
Message-ID: <20040723120218.30831.qmail@web20421.mail.yahoo.com>

Folxtc,

I was directed to this site for a good laugh.  It is a post-modern text
generator.

http://www.elsewhere.org/cgi-bin/postmodern/

While I was there, I noticed that it had some other text generators,
including band-names.  The one I liked the best is the subject line of this
post.

http://www.elsewhere.org/cgi-bin/bandname

Michael Versaci

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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:46:27 +0100 (BST)
From: Dom Lawson <britishsteel666@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: The Future
Message-ID: <20040723104627.97760.qmail@web53104.mail.yahoo.com>

Salutations, my cardigan-wearing brethren...

Just a quick de-lurk and de-brief for you all. There's
a band that you simply must seek out, particularly if
you are a fan of XTC's first 3 records...and if you're
not, what the hell is wrong with you, y'kin eejit?

The band is THE FUTUREHEADS, and their self-titled
debut album was released this week via 679 Records.
They're four early-twentysomethings from Sunderland
who sound very much like 'Go 2' meets 'All Mod Cons'
meets 'Chairs Missing', only sprightlier and more
satisfying than a strenuous wank from a
freshly-showered cheerleader. It's also much, much
better than Franz Ferdinand or Dogs Die In Hot Cars.
Honestly, if you people must insist on reading the NME
you have no one but yourselves to blame.

www.thefutureheads.com

And if you're not satisfied with your purchase, you
suck. Biatch.

Salut!

Dom

=====
www.bowlrider.co.uk
NP: Meshuggah 'I'

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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:00:25 -0400
From: Marc LaFoy <marc@screenimages.com>
Subject: Re: The Nines
Message-ID: <06EFBC4D-DCB9-11D8-AB89-00039375C2E6@screenimages.com>

From: "Myers, Michael D." <mmyers@telcordia.com>

> I posted a discussion of their music back in Chalkhills Volume 4,
> number 135 on 16 September, 1998.  A few subsequent people added
> their impressions.  To this day, I have never heard any other band
> totally capture the sound of XTC.  Yes, I have heard a range of
> other music where I could say that I saw the XTC influence, but The
> Nines sound so much like XTC it is frightening.  It may as well be
> Andy singing one of his great melodic tunes, and they even have the
> advanced wordplay down as well.

The Nines really are great and certainly deserve more attention than
they've received so far.

My brother, a Toronto musician, was playing with or recording with The
Nines a couple months back and the band leader related that he'd
recently got a call out-of-the-blue from Andy remarking that he enjoyed
their music. There were other details but I can't remember them - I
guess I better ask him the story again.

BTW: This list has saved my life musically more than a few times. I
thank you all.

Marc

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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:17:20 -0400
From: Ken VanTassell <kenwvt@gmail.com>
Subject: XTC DVD video for trade ?
Message-ID: <647737520407230917225a58b@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone have any XTC video on DVD for trade ? I already have the
Rockpalast show, and some clips from MTV. Anything else available ?

Thanks,

Ken

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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 13:34:28 -0400
From: "Craig Taylor" <craig_taylor200@hotmail.com>
Subject: The Nines and XTC
Message-ID: <BAY14-F31gTBLUakMiZ00040b26@hotmail.com>

"I posted a discussion of their music back in Chalkhills Volume 4,
 number 135 on 16 September, 1998.  A few subsequent people added their
 impressions.  To this day, I have never heard any other band totally
 capture the sound of XTC.  Yes, I have heard a range of other music
 where I could say that I saw the XTC influence, but The Nines sound so
 much like XTC it is frightening.  It may as well be Andy singing one
 of his great melodic tunes, and they even have the advanced wordplay
 down as well."

I have to agree with Mike's statement. The Nines sound like XTC at their
most melodic. The singer sounds a hell of a lot like Andy as well as Paul
Mccartney. I can totally see how Andy would find them appealing.

Craig

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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:20:24 -0400
From: Anthony Picco <aspicco@earthlink.net>
Subject: English Roundabout
Message-ID: <B7D64E3C-DFCF-11D8-B0FE-000A95998D50@earthlink.net>

Recently, on a non-XTC message board, someone from Swindon posted links
to two photos on the official Swindon web, with two aerial pictures of
the "Magic Roundabout" that inspired the XTC song... Thought it might
be of passing interest to XTC fans...

http://www.swindonweb.com/life/magi01.jpg
http://www.swindonweb.com/life/lifemagi1.jpg

And this is what that other poster added in text:

This is a cut and paste on the Magic Roundabout which should answer
your question better than I could.

"Then a revolutionary idea (in more ways than one) which had been
tested in Colchester, Essex, was also tested on Swindon's County Ground
Roundabout. Until then the area had been a motorist's nightmare which
routinely failed to handle the volume of traffic which converged on it
from five directions.

The new roundabout (see picture) was the work of the Road Research
Laboratory (RRL) and their solution was brilliantly simple. All they
did was combine two roundabouts in one - the first the conventional,
clockwise variety and the second, which revolved inside the first,
sending traffic anti-clockwise.

PC Steve Dudley, one of the police officers involved with the
introduction of the new system, recalled: "There was someone from the
RRL up on a crane and officers on each of the five junctions. We would
let the traffic build up and then let one lot go at a time. After a few
trial runs we let the whole lot go at once. It was quite nerve-racking,
but it did work."

They called it a multi-mini roundabout, but as far as Swindon folk was
concerned, they now had their very own Magic Roundabout.

And magic it certainly is. Though it may confuse or amuse new visitors
and baffle American tourists, the average Swindonian finds that his or
her passage through one of the town's busiest junctions is actually
quite fluid, even at peak times. Twenty-five years on, the Magic
Roundabout still works, despite ever-increasing volumes of traffic.

Though there have been 14 serious accidents and 59 lesser ones recorded
in 25 years, that rate is less than one would expect for such a busy
junction. Most accidents have involved cyclists and motorcyclists and
now a cycle lane running right round the outside of the roundabout,
with pelican crossings, should ensure that the Magic Roundabout becomes
as safe as it is efficient.

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