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         Chalkhills Digest, Volume 10, Number 23

                  Saturday, 29 May 2004

Topics:

              Re: Garageband (was: Wake Up!)
                   Re: Training Wheels
                 Goosey goosey is cool...
                  Outtakes and the like
            Re: Mike Viola and Candy Butchers
                      XTC new album
                The Dukes and psychedelia
                        BarageGand
                         The Word
                      Gilmore Girls

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Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 12:23:04 -0400
From: Steve Dockery <sdockery@mac.com>
Subject: Re: Garageband (was: Wake Up!)
Message-ID: <CCD44C0E-AE67-11D8-993F-0003938AC4BC@mac.com>

If you buy a new G5, it will come with Garageband. Garageband accepts
audio and MIDI inputs - I have a 2-channel USB audio interface I use to
get sound in, and a two-octave MIDI keyboard (with an integrated
MIDI-to-USB interface) to get keyboards in. The rest of it I programmed
directly in Garageband, note by freakin' note. It has instrument loops
built in (which are useless for completely original songs, except for
the drum loops which come in really handy, but they're fun to play with
and possibly compose something around them), and a bunch of built-in
synthetic instruments (you can add more, such as with Apple's "Jam
Pack"). Everything you hear on my Garageband songs so far that isn't
voice or guitar is using the built-in Garageband instruments (except
for the orchestra stabs in "Wake Up"). Somebody's even written a plugin
to get MIDI out of it, so it can control an external MIDI device
(haven't tried this).

There's lots more info on Apple's website, so I'll return this forum to
XTC-related discussion.

Like, when's another studio album coming out? Fuzzy warbles, etc. are
great, but I want a new studio album!

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Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 13:04:45 -0400
From: "Krys Olsiewicz" <kolsiewicz@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Training Wheels
Message-ID: <BAY1-F54P1qMHwwpK7V0002d1d1@hotmail.com>

Paul Culnane wrote:

"The song Andy submitted was "My Train Is Coming", and, like Rudgren or
Neil Innes' efforts, it's an eerily accurate pastiche of 1964 British beat
music - or as Andy himself describes it, it's all of "A Hard Day's Night"
rolled into one song. "

As Mr. Innes so succinctly put it, "To rutle is a verb."  It's always fun to
spot musical influences.  My S.O. and I also like to call the
psychedelicizing of a song a "Dukes" factor.

p.s. Paul--You brought up the "Monarch of the Glen" which has just started
showing here in the States on public TV.  Haven't spotted the Uffington
Horse shirt yet.  The best part of the show is the incomparable Richard
Briers.

Here's the imdb link:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0238793/

Cheers,
Krys Olsiewicz

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Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 15:36:03 -0500
From: <xtc@verizon.net>
Subject: Goosey goosey is cool...
Message-ID: <20040525203603.CVOT5247.out014.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net>

"*Hobbes *" <hazchem25@hotmail.com> wrote...

>>
 But this song is a natural born b-side (like the equally ploddy and
lifeless "Goosey Goosey"). It's trying to be a big party but sounds
more like an uninvited nerdy kid watching the next door neighbour's
party for the more popular through a window while letting that air
out of a slowly deflating balloon.
<<

Check out the way the lyrics balance the themes in "Goosey Goosey"...

http://chalkhills.org/reelbyreal/s_Goosey.html

Red vs blue
Morning vs evening
Coming vs going
Crashing vs breezing
Daytime vs nighttime
"Playtime" vs "frighttime"
Life vs death

I like it.

Your "nerdy kid" analogy.  Now *that's* ploddy and lifeless chum.

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Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 00:11:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Poison Jeremy <poisonjeremy@yahoo.com>
Subject: Outtakes and the like
Message-ID: <20040526071156.60841.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com>

I am not sure if this is the right place to post this or not. I
have been a fan for around 5 years and an someone I know used to
be part of the list. He received some great outtakes, unreleased
material, etc. from someone on here. It was some great early
stuff, covers (was it Gregory who did a whole lot of them),
etc. I don't have anything to trade currently, because I'm just
starting up trading. Can anybody help me? I'd be willing to
provide discs, or the cost of them, etc. Please let me know.

Take care,
Jeremy

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Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 08:55:06 EDT
From: DanAbnrml9@aol.com
Subject: Re: Mike Viola and Candy Butchers
Message-ID: <105.4781cd21.2de5edaa@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/25/2004 11:04:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, someone wrote:
>Now if I could just find their new album "Hang On
>Mike" which i've been looking for since January... has anyone seen this?

Really? You've had that much difficulty? It's funny because it's actually on
Sony, though Mike himself has said that Sony isn't bothering to promote it
(despite a Conan O'Brien appearance the night it was released). I work at a
Newbury Comics outside of Boston and we have two on the
shelf... actually, they've been there awhile because they're not
selling. Try www.newburycomics.com, you can probably order it from the
site at the very least. --Jason

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Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 00:29:42 +0000
From: "WAYNE KLEIN" <wtdk12@msn.com>
Subject: XTC new album
Message-ID: <BAY3-F11yLridnGiAw80002bc98@hotmail.com>

While I'm all for bugging the guys for a new album, I'd prefer that they
take their time and get it right. For a band that used to pump out a new
album every year (or couple of years) four might seem a long time but it
might well be worth the wait.

Speaking of Joe Jackson (somebody quite kindly pointed me in the direction
of the live album recorded at the Filmore which, sadly, I had wanted to go
to but was unable to attend), the Joe Jackson Anthology boxed set has the
entire "Mike's Murder" album as a third bonus disc. I never did understand
the "Deluxe Edition" CDs. Most of them have the entire album, a handful of
demos, some life stuff all of which (for the most part) has been released
before. "Night and Day" is a particular waste. I would have much rather had
the original album remastered vs. a second disc of material I already own
(although to be fair the songs from "Mike's Murder" are included but,also,
curiously side 3 of the "Live 1980-1986" album--why there's no live version
of "Cosmopolitan" or other stuff that wasn't released on the album is beyond
me. Perhaps Joe has the original master recordings for all the concerts the
album was pulled from).

All this repackaging bugs me. I don't mind purchasing something when the
sound is greatly improved or there's a lot of material that hasn't been
released before (a la "Coat of Many Cupboards") but the way that the
conglomerates have been repackaging stuff lately has been shameless and
smacks of desperation. Worse yet, the prices still haven't become as
reasonable as they should be (although they're not going through the room
they were before).

I personally felt that the record industry got what it deserved to some
extent after growing fat and happy on inflated prices while many artists
barely got by. Unfortunately, the first people that suffered when all this
occurred were the artists. So typical.

Any word yet on the rest of Fuzzy Warbles? Anyone? Anywhere?

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Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 11:43:09 +0000
From: "Paul Culnane" <paulculnane@hotmail.com>
Subject: The Dukes and psychedelia
Message-ID: <BAY7-F76WIxd3SiSkCs00033e62@hotmail.com>

For those of you with a penchant for classic British psychedelic music (and
sometimes "Oz-psyke" too), I thoroughly recommend you go on a magic carpet
ride over to a splendid online magazine -"Sweet Floral Albion".  The latest
issue # 30 contains, among many other flavoursome sugar-lumps, a neat little
item that briefly quotes Andy & Dave from an interview they did in 1988 for
"Strange Things Are Happening" fanzine.  Just scroll down to the item headed
"Pub Psych", but don't forget to let your kaliedoscope eyes dwell on some of
the other fascinating articles, interviews and reviews while you're there.
Back issues are certainly worth more than a cursory look too, and I'm proud
to have been invited to occasionally contribute to what I consider the
finest of the very few websites devoted to this musical genre.  Here's the
link to the latest issue.  A splendid time is guaranteed for all!

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/marmaladeskies/sfa30.htm

~~ p@ul-of-oz

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Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 14:25:42 EDT
From: Hbsherwood@aol.com
Subject: BarageGand
Message-ID: <a3.5a49e9b0.2de78ca6@aol.com>

...And we all know that "My Train Is Coming" was also short-listed for
Oranges and Lemons, and that one of the three recorded versions floating
around is from the O&L sessions, with a rather awestruck Mike Keneally
sitting in on guitar, thus completing the circle quite nicely, don't you
think?

So I don't have to mention it.

> From: Burly Jim <burlyjim@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Wake Up!
>
> > From: Steve Dockery <sdockery@mac.com>
> >...I've completed another XTC cover using Garageband
>
> Please tell us (me) more about GarageBand.
> Is it entirely on the Mac (ie no Midi, no other sound
> input?). I have absolutely no musical background but
> had immense fun a few years ago playing with various
> PC based drum machines and composers (possibly
> Q-Base?? i forget the name) and I'm about to buy a G5
> so would love to find something to play with
> musically...

Well, then, you lucky old burly individual, you'll definitely have something
to play with, because GarageBand comes preloaded on all new Macintoshes now.
You'll definitely want to drop the extra   $99 on the add-on Jam Pack, which
broadens your palette quite a bit.

First things first: GarageBand is a toy.

It's a wonderful toy, it's a thrillingly comprehensive toy, it's a
brilliantly designed toy, it's a toy that, unlike anything from the
Hasbro/Mattel/Microsoft Crap Factory, you will play with and play with and
play with until Mom absolutely forces you come down to dinner, and you'll
bolt your Sloppy Joe in two bites so you can get back to playing with it
until you fall asleep clutching its weird wood-grain UI to your jammies,
dreaming of the moment when you can wake up and start to play with it again.

But it is a toy.

It lacks certain things -- like MIDI Out, like tempo mapping, like
simultaneous multiple-track recording, like channel busing -- that will
always doom it to toyhood. Apple's product strategy is to get you hooked on
the GarageBand freebie until you start to bump up against its limitations,
at which point they will point out (the playground smack-pushers) that the
full-featured, robust, industrial-strength Logic Pro is available at the
Apple Store for a mere $999.99 (http://www.apple.com/logic/). They're not
fools, these Cupertino Kewpie Dolls, and their acquisition of EMagic
(Logic's creators) in 2002, along with the development of the loss leader
GarageBand, is all part of a master plan to reestablish Apple's dominance in
audio production. More power to 'em, sez I. The minute they wrap
GarageBand's user interface around Logic's powerful engine, I will
cheerfully drink the Kool-Aid.

But it's quite possible that you may discover that you don't actually *need*
those pro-level features. For my everyday purposes -- idea-capturing, light
demo work, practicing guitar -- GarageBand fills a need that has been sorely
lacking. I struggled with Cubase's terribly overpowered interface for a long
time -- and before that, God help me, Deck -- and my productivity really
suffered.  An idea for a song would enter my head, and by the time I got
Cubase booted, a new file started and the right tracks configured and armed,
the idea would be gone. GarageBand is a great little notebook -- sit down,
turn it on, play your thing, and out. Almost, but -- I laugh to type! -- not
quite as effective a note-taking tool as a portable cassette recorder from
ca. 1971.

To your questions: GarageBand is a MIDI sequencer, a loop-manipulation tool,
and a sound-recording application. Typically, you plug in a USB
MIDI-controller keyboard to play onboard "virtual" software synthesizers
through MIDI (and quite good they are too), you loop samples that are
supplied with the app or from third-party vendors, and you record "real"
instruments through an input device of some kind -- sound card, audio
breakout box, etc. Many are available at a very reasonable price. You can
make fairly effective non-vocal music using GarageBand entirely without any
of these extras, but if you want to really have fun, you'll need them.

And you really, really can make good original music with it. Easily.
Frighteningly easily.

As a user-interface designer by trade, I am absolutely floored by Apple's
audacious design choices. Everything that makes Pro Tools and other
industrial-strength DAW apps so incomprehensible has been hidden -- not
removed entirely, but hidden -- so that the primary task, that of arranging
musical notes in time, is to the front. As an example of Apple's audacity,
the word "MIDI" never actually appears anywhere in the application. You have
"real" instruments (i.e., audio, represented visually by waveforms) and
"virtual" instruments (which are represented by classic MIDI
piano-roll-style notation, but never called such). This is the sort of thing
that just makes me slap my forehead: "Of *course!* Why didn't *I* think of
that?"

Yeah, but they have to live in Cupertino, California. Suckers.

Harrison "With the bees and spiders" Sherwood

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Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 09:32:47 -0400
From: John Relph <relph@tmbg.org>
Subject: The Word
Message-ID: <16567.16255.388806.306791@f5.idiot-dog.com>

Greetings Fellow Nebulans,

Earlier this year The Word magazine in the UK had a long feature on
Andy Partridge.  Is there any generous reader out there who can
transcribe, photocopy, scan or digitally photograph the article and
send it to me?  I would really appreciate it.

	-- John

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Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 13:53:55 -0400
From: John Relph <relph@tmbg.org>
Subject: Gilmore Girls
Message-ID: <200405281753.i4SHrtT19924@f5.idiot-dog.com>

Equi Albi,

Apparently DVDs have been released containing The Complete First
Season.  We know that XTC songs were used on the soundtrack.  Does
anybody know if and/or which episodes with XTC songs are on these DVDs?

For more info:
  http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0001CCXZW/chalkhills

Thanks for your help!

	-- John

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