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              Chalkhills Digest, Number 443

                   Tuesday, 6 June 1995

Today's Topics:

                    The colonel single
                     Re: HUOP and TSA
          Re: Earning respect from King Crimson
                     starting lineups
               Song that changed my life...
  Chalkhills in Aspic/Lord Deliver Us From Bungalow Bill
                Re: Chalkhills Digest #441
                   xTc live CD for sale
                   Re: Young Cleopatra
                Re: Chalkhills Digest #442
            New Dave Gregory guest appearance!
                   The KrImsoN FaBs...
        mysterious semblances at the end of songs
                     Partridge & Budd
                    Holly Up On Usenet
                      Todd Rundgren
                    Martin Newell page
                Re: Young Cleopatra lyrics
     Madness, Martin Newell, and really no XTC at all
                Getting Andy's "Hello" CD
                 The History Of Xtc video

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From: AlBall@aol.com
Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 07:30:00 -0400
Subject: The colonel single

>Colin Moulding release Too Many Cooks under the moniker of "The Colonel"
>or something like that. I don't think it was meant as a parody... but
>what was on the other side of the single?  If anyone has the single, does
>it list a line-up of musicians?  Now there is some XTC trivia...

I have the single, and I Need Protection was on the flip side. This song is
also on Rag and Bone Buffet. The credits on the back of the sleeve read:

Guitar - Rob Hendry
Bass - The Colonel
Drums - Terry Chambers
Keyboards - Steve King
Guitar - Bert Larson
Backing Vocals - Steve Warren
Recorder and Backing Vocals -Bridgett Glossop
Tape Op and Backing Vocals - Philip Vinal
Produced and Engineered by Mick Glossop of Dukeslodge Enterprises Ltd

The front cover has a great cartoon drawing of a thick jowled colonel
pointing out a diagram of strange looking cooks to a room of big eared
recruits. The back has a cartoon drawing of Colin walking in the midst of a
pack of "jack booted thugs", calmly smoking a butt. The artist of the
drawings is Hunt Emerson.

By the way, I dislike the Beatles, and find it an insult when my favorite
band, XTC is compared to them. I much prefer vintage Kinks as a possible
influence (See Big Sky)

Al

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From: Simon Wilson <simonw@praxis.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 31 May 95 17:31:40 BST
Subject: Re: HUOP and TSA

I've always interpreted Holly Up On Poppy as a song about Andy
Partridge's little girl riding a horse called Poppy. "Canter never
stop" and all that. It's a great song though, whatever it's about!

I'm glad the lyrics to Then She Appeared.. were changed from the demo
version - a vast improvement. Anyone think this may be about the _birth_
of Andy's little girl? I think it could fit...

Finally, does anyone know what a 'Phrygian (sp) cap' is?

Simon

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Date: Wed, 31 May 95 18:33 BST-1
From: joeo@cix.compulink.co.uk (Psion plc  Joe Odukoya)
Subject: Re: Earning respect from King Crimson

In-Reply-To: <199505310757.AAA05693@presto.ig.com>
> The July issue of Guitar Player has an interesting quote from  Trey Gunn
> (current Chapman stick player for King Crimson )...
> "My ultimate jam session realized itself last year when Crimson was
> recording in England.  Pat's [Mastelotto] done a record with XTC -
> one of my favorite bands - so we went over to Andy Partridge's house.
> Andy, Adrian [Belew], and I all had a jam together.  That was my
> dream come true."

That explains something I have often wondered about.  The one and only
time I met anyone from XTC was Colin Moulding backstage at a David
Sylvian /Robert Fripp gig here in London.  Trey Gunn played on the
Fripp/Sylvian album (and tour) so I presume the admiration flows both
ways...

> Hope the DAT was rolling....

Here, here I'd love to hear that!

- Joeo -
  |||
 [Ov0]
   -

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From: AMANION@rex.mnsmc.edu
Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 17:11:56 GMT-6
Subject: starting lineups

Hey Chalksters,

In order to do the appropriate comparison between the Beatles and
our boys, we must take a scientific approach and analyze member by
member.

John Lennon: pseudo-intellectial, dead
Andy Partridge: actual-intellectual, not dead

Paul McCartney: Someone's Knockin' at the Door, Ebony and Ivory
Colin Moulding: Loving Memory of a Name, Making Plans for Nigel

George Harrison: guitarist ordinaire
Dave Gregory: guitarist extraordinaire

Ringo Starr: no drummer
XTC: no drummer

Pete Best: idiot for leaving band
Barry Andrews: idiot for leaving band

So there you have it. A 40% similarity between the two bands. And
half of that constitutes former members, leaving only the drummer
link.

Speaking of links, has anyone else noticed the uncanny connection
between Colin Moulding lyrics and the life of American TV
personality Bryant Gumbel?

BYE BYE,
merely amanion

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From: XTCMatt@aol.com
Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 21:57:33 -0400
Subject: Song that changed my life...

OK...so it may not have changed my life but it truely is one of my Top 50 of
all time."No Language in our Lungs"...absolute brilliance!
"...but nobody can say what they really mean to say and the impotency of
speech came up and hit me that day and I would have
made this instrumental but the words got in the way..."
Anyone who has ever been in love knows that ...
I did meet(in the Music store I manage) a man who said that "Complicated
Game" changed his life...I can see where it might.

                                      Peace.

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Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 14:50:01 +1300
From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James)
Subject: Chalkhills in Aspic/Lord Deliver Us From Bungalow Bill

Looking through the last digest, I can't help wondering if I'd stumbled
into Elephant Talk (The King Crimson digest) by mistake. Hey, how about
Fripp as producer? He did wonders with Peter Gabriel's second solo album...
or Daniel Lanois - now THERE'S a producer that would complement XTC nicely.

Re: Beatles. The Beatles were, and still are, undoubtedly one of the
biggest single influences on rock music. It is inevitable that any group
that has what you could call 60's rock sensibilities will be continually
compared to them. This doesn't mean that XTC are any less of a band because
of it. Accept the fact that there will be Beatles comparisons. You can't do
anything about it, and let's face it, if XTC are being *favourably*
compared with one of the most consistently popular groups of all time,
surely this is a compliment, not an insult!

PS: am I the only Beatles fan on this list?

James

James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago.

Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand
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   * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time,
   * from another time                     (Brian Eno)

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Date: Thu, 1 Jun 95 05:10:09 -0500
From: Paul_Myers@mail.magic.ca (Paul Myers)
Organization: Magic Online Services Inc.
Subject: Re: Chalkhills Digest #441

I always thought the line in Dear God  was
"Still believe in that Chunky Stew" an overt plug for Campbells chunky
stews....
Bye
Paul myers.

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Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 10:35:11 -0600
From: Erik Anderson <aa393@broadway.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca>
Subject: xTc live CD for sale

I have an extra copy of "XTC LIVE in the USA 1980" if anyone is
interested in buying it.  First come, first serve.  The price: $25
Canadian (I paid $35 for it!).  Reply personally to this address.

Erik

Ps. This is a CD.

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Date: Thu, 1 Jun 95 10:47:42 PDT
From: John Relph <relph@presto.ig.com>
Subject: Re: Young Cleopatra

sellheim@zfn.uni-bremen.de (Erich Sellheim) sent in these Young
Cleopatra lyrics.  I offer these corrections:

>My oh my,...............,young Cleopatra-a-a-a
 My oh my, what a sight for sore eyes, young Cleopatra

>Don't ever get your love for free
 Don't ever give your love for free
>But then again,don't ever let it be so
 But then again, don't even let it be sold

>To who you set alight with fire............
 To who you set alight with firebombs, ............

The lyrics have been archived as well.

        -- John
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http://idiot-dog.com/~relph/

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Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 14:34:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Christopher R. Coolidge" <ccoolidg@moose.uvm.edu>
Subject: Re: Chalkhills Digest #442

  Van Dyke Parks! Lovely idea! That never occurred to me for some reason.
He's the only man alive who's been able to get brilliant lyrics into a
Brian Wilson song. Check the lyrics to "Surf's Up" for example.

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From: HFTC@grove.iup.edu
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 1995 15:43:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: New Dave Gregory guest appearance!
Organization: Indiana University of Pennsylvania

Fellow Chalkhillbillies,
        (It's dumb and it's catchy: I love it!)

        I haven't noticed anybody else mentioning this, so let
me share some good news regarding another Dave Gregory guest
appearence.  I just got this month's issue of CMJ New Music
(a simple MUST for new music fans: a monthly 70+ minute sampler
cd featuring the best of the obscure and familiar of the alternative
scene) and there's a notice regarding a new release from
Warner (Big) Brothers.  Jennifer Trynin, a Boston singer/songwriter,
has just released her debut album "Cockamamie" and, according to the
notes in the mag, both Aimee Mann and Dave Gregory help out.

        I don't know the extent of Gregory's contribution and,
reading between the lines, I assume it's limited to a track or
two (But I am only making an assumption based on the brevity
of the note in CMJ).  The album track included on this
month's sampler, "Better Than Nothing", is easily one of the
best on the disc.  A fine, edgy pop song with a catchy chorus
that is quite reminiscent of vintage XTC.

        Worth checking out.

        -Edward Whitelock

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From: silva@pc110.ccrc.uga.edu
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 95 17:08:25
Subject: The KrImsoN FaBs...

Begin .02 cents here:

   I think it would be silly to put a hell of a lot of
distance between XTC and the Beatles stylistically. As a
font of many pop things to come, the Fabs are an unquestionably
severe influence in Andy's and scores of other pop artists work.
xTc would probably sound unrecognizably different w/o the...
ahem...Fab foundation underlying their work. I mean look at
the note someone posted about Adrian Belew and Pat M. visiting
Andy for a quick sendup; Adrian's solo records are so fab-
saturated that the bond betwixt them all is more than
obvious.

---------------------
JoE Silva
Consumable Online

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Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 13:09:15 +0000
From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James)
Subject: mysterious semblances at the end of songs

So what are the mysterious words, folks?

>Statue of Liberty:-during piano solo(1:57)("pop me"?)

Sounds like "pump me!" to me...

>Living through another Cuba:-at the end(4:17)("I think I love you"?)

definitely not that. I can't work it out, but it sounds a bit like "upping
the heartbeats", followed by a laugh.

James

James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago.

Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand
pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807

   * You talk to me as if from a distance
   * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time,
   * from another time                     (Brian Eno)

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From: ErikSensei@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 21:10:56 -0400
Subject: Partridge & Budd

Hello team,

     I've just joined on to this list, so first greetings and salutations
to all.  I have a question to throw out to you.  Last summer, while
visiting the West Coast, my best mate & I went up to Rasputin Records in
Berkeley, and whilst flipping through the racks, I came across a CD
collaboration of Andy Partridge and Harold Budd.  I'm kicking myself for
not picking it up then, as I haven't seen a trace of it since.  Can no
longer recall the title of it, just that it had a very simple cover with
the two gentlemen's names, the title and (if memory serves correctly) a
small graphic resembling a waveform graph.  I think the cover was a darkish
green, and the lettering was goldish...though I could be mistaken here.
Anyway...what I'd like to know is what do any of you know of this little
item?  What's the title?  Is it out of print?  What's the music on it like?
I'm guessing that since it's Harold Budd, a very pleasant ambient
pianist/composer, that the music would lean in the "quiet" direction...but
then again, our friend Mr. Partridge seems to enjoy making a right racket
now and again.  So, those in the know, please let me know whatever you can
about this release.  Thanks in advance.  You may e-mail me directly or via
the list.

Peace & good tunes,
Erik D. Dahlin

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From: m.mccormick2@genie.geis.com
Date: Fri,  2 Jun 95 05:21:00 UTC
Subject: Holly Up On Usenet

"mark allender - king of the universe" asked:

>i always kinda figured "Holly Up On Poppy" was about a little girl --
>perhaps a daughter.  does Andy have a daughter?  it seems to me to be
>about a father telling a (bedtime) story to his little girl.

Yes, Holly is Andy's daughter.  She was about 5 years old at the time he
wrote that song, I believe.

Does anyone know if Andy got some/all custody of Holly in the divorce?

And "Giancarlo Cairella" commented:

>After reading "Chalkhills" for some time, I've been wondering why there
>isn't an Usenet XTC newsgroup. There are plenty of alt.music.* and
>alt.fan.* groups devoted to less talented bands and individuals, so I
>think getting a XTC newsgroup started shouldn't be too difficult.

A small but determined group of XTC fans, including myself, dwell in the
shadow of the valley of alt.music.alternative.  John Relph periodically
posts the XTC / Chalkhills FAQ there too.  Please join us and help spread
of light of XTC to the thousand yammering philistines who babble away
there!

There is no technical reason why we couldn't start alt.music.xtc.  However
just starting a Usenet group does little to guarantee its propagation to
sites around the world.  The only way to do that seems to be to announce a
Request for Discussion (RFD) followed by a Request for Vote (RFV) re: the
proposed group in every newsgroup and mailing list (inc. Chalkhills) where
there are likely to be XTC fans.  The RFD, RFV, and final vote tally must
be controlled by an impartial third party and the results announced on
alt.config at each step.  A majority "yes" vote being announced and
certified on alt.config ensures that news administrators around the planet
will accept your group!

>Is there a reason why this hasn't happened (like a voluntary decision
>to keep this a "elite" group)? I don't mind following a mailing list or a
>newsgroup: I just think that maybe the latter would spread the XTC word
>more easily.

You're probably right, but my feeling is that mailing lists are less noisy
and provide a higher calibre of discussion than Usenet does.  And that goes
double for Chalkhills.  I've subcribed to dozens of lists, and trust me
folks, we've got something special here!

Mike McCormick
m.mccormick2@genie.geis.com

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Date: Fri, 2 Jun 95 15:45:31 PDT
From: John Relph <relph@presto.ig.com>
Subject: Todd Rundgren

Hey, Todd Rundgren is playing in Palo Alto, California, on Thursday, 8
June.  Opening for the Toddzilla is HUGE, a pop band just a little more
MOR than XTC, but still pop.  If you see HUGE, say "hi"!  (He and I work
for the same company.)

        -- John
--
http://idiot-dog.com/~relph/

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From: ToddT8@aol.com
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 19:45:45 -0400
Subject: Martin Newell page

Just joined the list recently and I thought I'd get my 2 cents worth in.
 Firstly, I recently got the Brotherhood of Lizards CD after thorougly
enjoying Greatest Living Englishman. I must say that I'm a bit disappointed.
 It sure is power pop, but I think Nick Lowe did a better job with the same
territory in the mid - late 70's.

Now some general comments:  Although I've enjoyed most of the threads around
here I have some suggestions and requests.  I would like to see more about
what's going on with the boys recently, and be pointed in the direction of
any new (or notable)  projects, interviews etc. Also, I'd like to see a bit
less idol worshipping going on here.  I'm a total XTCophile, however I still
cringe at this rock star as god stuff.  I mean I think the indie/punk music
scene, which spawned groups like XTC, was a response to that stuff.  You
know, that anyone could be in a band.  So let's appreciate them, and enjoy
their music, but realize that, as AP says, he's merely a man.

rather be a plant than be a mickey mouse

Todd

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From: nilsson@etek.chalmers.se
Subject: Re: Young Cleopatra lyrics
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 95 18:43:19 -0000

In Chalkhills #442, sellheim@zfn.uni-bremen.de (Erich Sellheim) asked
for corrections or suggestions for two missing passages in the Young
Cleopatra lyrics. My guess for the first one:

My oh my, WHAT A SIGHT FOR SORE EYES, young Cleopatra-a-a-a, uh!

Cheers,

        Par

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                 Par Nilsson * nilsson@etek.chalmers.se
    "The future's no problem / We don't care / 'Cause wherever we're
           going / We'll soon get there." - Terry Adams, NRBQ
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Date: Mon, 05 Jun 1995 09:41:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Eric Muller <EMuller@UWYO.EDU>
Subject: Madness, Martin Newell, and really no XTC at all

Hey Skylarkers-
All I meant when I said that Madness were no "musical giants" was that they
were no musical giants.  Their stuff was great fun, and sometimes truly
wonderful ("It Must Be Love" and "Grey Day" come to mind), but much of it
was quite silly and quite simple.  I loved 'em, but they're no, uh, XTC, for
example.
On another remotely related topic, I recently picked up Martin Newell's
"Englishman" CD because it had received so much lavish praise in these very
cyber-pages.  Is it sacrilegious to say that I was disappointed?  (Not one
of "The Disappointed", mind you--don't want to stir that one up again!)  I
just found the whole enterprise *too* Beatle-esque.  Now I love the Beatles,
but it really sounded to me as though Newell and AP decided just to make a
record that sounds as much like the Beatles as possible.  Frankly, some of
it ended up sounding like a cross between the Rutles and Utopia's "Deface
the Music."  It's great songrwriting and all, just *too* derivative.  IMHO.
I'd be happy to hear about anyone else's HO.
See ya!
Eric

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Date: 5 Jun 1995 14:56:02 -0500
From: "Wesley Wilson" <Wesley_Wilson@iegate.mitre.org>
Subject: Getting Andy's "Hello" CD

I don't suppose the folks who run the "Hello" CD of the Month club have
individual sales of CDs; i.e., if I wanted to buy JUST the Andy CD, could I
do that?

I did hear the songs - love the keyboards in "Prince of Orange"!
Caravan-esque. I hope it's an indication of forthcoming XTC material.

I don't really have a preference (as much as a hatred) for producers for
the next album but what I would really like to hear on the next album is 1)
a guitar solo by Steve Hillage. He would have been great trading off with
Dave Gregory on "That Wave;" 2) Richard Sinclair (Caravan, Hatfield and the
North, etc.) in some capacity on the album, maybe singing. Everyone: buy
"In the Land of Grey and Pink" by Caravan with your spare cash!

Um, anyone want to trade a dub of "LIve in Philly" for what I have, or
cash?  Send me e-mail.

Wes

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From: ZITTEL@aol.com
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 23:01:12 -0400
Subject: The History Of Xtc video

Hello! This is my first time on the internet and chalkhills. I would love
to correspond to other XTC fans and collectors, so e-mail me.

Here are some unusual items I've found in the last few months that might be
of interest to others:

The History Of XTC- Virgin France promotional video. It is about 15 minutes
long. It goes right up through Nonsuch and contains parts of videos and
shows pictures of record sleeves. It is voiced over in French so I do not
know what is being said.

You might of heard of the 5 demo bootleg CD's that were released. It seems
not many people are aware there is also a Live In Boston CD issued by the
same company.

Is anyone looking for a Love At First Sight (Canadian 7" single)? It has a
live B-side not available elsewhere. I have a friend with a copy for sale.
E-mail me if you need information.

Looking foward to getting Chalkhills and hearing from all of you. More next
time.

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