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                  Chalkhills, Number 333

                 Wednesday, 16 March 1994
Today's Topics:
                     Intro to members
                   Re: Chalkhills #332
                Re: The Red Curtain & Co.
                    03:Chalkhills #331
                  XTC Interview LP Query
                        Re: Survey
                  Tubes did  Cry_to_me ?
                     This 'N' That...
             Introduction Re: Chalkhills #332
                 Six strings, no waiting
                 Crash Test Dummies, eh?
                CFV: rec.music.beach-boys
     Home at last...a new subscriber finds his people
                   Gribouillage and Go2
                        Best solo

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Date: 11 Mar 94 15:26:14 EST
From: Steve Cohen <71334.1516@compuserve.com>
Subject: Intro to members

Greetings fellow XTC fans--I am a commercial photographer in NYC and a big fan
of Partridge, Moulding et al. I heard about the club through the Net Guide-I
look forward to receiving newsletters and such from the group. e-mail me at
Compuserve 71334.1516

Steve

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Date:         Fri, 11 Mar 94 16:39:53 EST
From: "Gene (Sp00n) Yoon" <ST004422@brownvm.brown.edu>
Subject:      Re: Chalkhills #332

<GOOSENMK@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu> wrote:
>And--not to start a flame war or anything, God forbid--does
>anyone else not care for the Dukes?  As a loyal XTC fan, I bought all
>the Dukes' stuff but found it (aside from a certain amusement value) to
>be lacking.  I much preferred straight-out XTC albums.  Besides, the
>Dukes come from the period of XTC's career which I like the least
>(Mummer-Big Express-Skylarking), so I consider the Dukes to be part of
>that mini-slump in XTC-land.  BTW, those aforementioned albums are all
>quite good; they suffer only in comparison to the albums which preceded
>and followed them...

Not to instill a flame war or anything, but oh, how reading this
did pain me....  Just as an example, Vanishing Girl is such a
brilliantly-written, tight song that it really amazed me how much I
liked it upon the first listening; usually I have to hear a song many
times before truly appreciating it, as is the case with a lot of XTC.
Actually, this and a couple other tracks from Psonic Psunspot could
easily have been conceivable on an XTC album, with maybe some less
idiosyncratic production.

Andy and Colin's music has always been innovative
and unique, but it's really delightful when they're actually TRYING to
be weird. And 25 o'clock and PS reveal their wonderfully absurd sides
better than most XTC stuff.  Of course, if I had to choose, I'd
definitely rank their real, serious material over their comic/cosmic-ness,
but I've found that knowing music by the D's of S has made me like XTC
as a band even more. Amusement value is an important value, IMHO!

Thank you, thank you,
                     Gene

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Date: Fri, 11 Mar 1994 18:44:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Derek Miner <ind00163@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu>
Subject: Re: The Red Curtain & Co.

On Wed, 9 Mar 1994 "Gene (Sp00n) Yoon" <ST004422@brownvm.brown.edu> wrote:

> By the way, I'm ignorant as to who that fourth guy is in the pictures.
> Also, are AP and CM the only lead vocalists on the Dukes or is there
> someone else? because if it's really just Andy on all the songs by Sir John
> Johns then he's doing a very good job of sounding like someone else.

        The fourth Duke is Dave's brother Ian Gregory, or E.I.E.I. Owen.
Also, I'm pretty sure all the vocals are Andy and Colin. They do some
interesting variations, but I was always pretty sure Andy was the
vocalist, especially on the Psonic Psunspot tracks.

        Derek Miner
        ind00163@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu

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From: Mike.Gervasi@f1.n3658.z1.fidonet.org (Mike Gervasi)
Date: 11 Mar 94 17:43:30 -0500
Subject: 03:Chalkhills #331
Organization: FidoNet:

Just got a package from L.E. today, with like, 6 issues. Some are back
issues('88 and such) and the new one. Inside there is no mention of why the
back up of releases of issues. Anybody know why?
Also, some hellos to John, and my good friend over on Genie, Dean Zemel
(Howdy Mixmaster! Nice picture in L.E.) Does anyone have tablature of XTC's
stuff, and can I get copies? (11 Different Animals never came in :( ).

                               Mike Gervasi, Soaking up sun in BDA

Mike
 * Wave Rider 1.01 [NR] *
... UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY
--- Blue Wave/Maximus

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Date: Sat, 12 Mar 1994 15:14:40 -0500
From: ah115@yfn.ysu.edu (Robert James Foley)
Subject: XTC Interview LP Query

        Please forgive me, if this has been addressed previously.
Recently, I purchased a limited edition picture disc containing
an interview with Andy Partridge.  It was released on Cross Talk
Records in 1986.  I'm wondering if anyone has information on this
record?  Any comments would greatly be appreciated.

Cheers,
Bob
--
Writer/Editor of the Reconnoiter.  E-mail for info.

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Date: Sun, 13 Mar 94 16:16:25 PST
From: "John Relph" <relph@presto.ig.com>
Subject: Re: Survey

Please do not send your completed survey to Chalkhills.

Please DO send your completed survey to schrey@vfl.paramax.com.

Thank you for your mind.

        -- John

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From: Andreas Spreen <andi@pippin.cadlab.de>
Subject: Tubes did  Cry_to_me ?
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 94 15:57:25 MET

Hi!

> What's the best Dave Gregory guitar solo?

I like the weird sound of the solo in "The smartest monkeys". Still wonder
if this is played on guitar or keyboard, or maybe on guitar
with a keyboard-sound via Midi-connection? (Well by now, you'll know
that I don't know much about these things).

And a little question concerning the Tubes:
On one of my cassettes I got a good song which maybe called
"Cry to me" (at least that's the main-line). Anybody knows
if that is done by the Tubes and on which album? I don't
remember how I got to think, that this might be the Tubes, but I think
they might be.

Bye, Andreas.

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From: d.zemel@genie.geis.com
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 94 03:36:00 BST
Subject: This 'N' That...

For those who've asked, I think that the Golden Cleaners CD by Cleaners Of
Venus is not that difficult to get, once you've hooked up with a store that
has the ability to get imports.  I ordered it and got it in less than a
week.  In other words, I think it's a current British title so an importer
can get it.

I'm quite frustrated because I've heard a lot of talk about the new Little
Express, including hearing that a picture of me and Steve Reule at the
convention is among the pages, but I haven't gotten it yet!  I hope Peter
and June haven't forgotten about me!

I don't know how available it is outside of Chicago and the midwest, but I
picked up a Cd entitled "ONXRT: Live From The Archives, Vol.1".  WXRT is a
pretty good alternative station in Chicago and this album is a collection of
live performances that have been on the station over the years, either
broadcast from the station or from clubs/theaters which XRT sponsored.
Included in the CD's set is the Senses Working Overtime/Grass/Love On A
Farmboy's Wages medley from the O&L tour.  I know that there are a number of
boots out there from that tour but I've never heard anything from the XRT
performance.  The rest of the lineup from this CD is pretty good too:
Melissa Etheridge, Del Amitri, John Hiatt, Robyn Hitchcock & The Egyptians,
Gin Blossoms, The Replacements, John Lee Hooker, Michael McDermott, Midnight
Oil, Peter Himmelman, The Judybats, Johnny Clegg And Savuka and Los Lobos!
I haven't heard it yet since I just got it but I thought some of you might
want to know about the availability of that XTC medley.  For the record (no
pun intended), there's no specific label or ordering information, but it's a
benefit for Christmas Is For Kids and Chicago House and there are addresses
for those organizations so maybe you can write them and get ordering
information.  The addresses are:  Christmas Is For Kids, 207 W. Goethe,
Chicago, Illinois 60610 and Chicago House, P.O. Box 14728, Chicago, Illinois
60614.  I had trouble getting it from stores in Milwaukee but was finally
successful getting it at Rose Records, a midwest chain based in Chicago.

Is that book of transcriptions of XTC stuff the "Eleven Different Animals"
book that I've heard about but have never seen?  If not, who knows exactly
what kind of book "Eleven Different Animals" is?  I'd appreciate the
information so I can explain to the myriad of book stores that I've stopped
in just what it is that I'm looking for.

I think the Department of Rhetoric where we can find Chris Kasic must be at
the same school where you can find the Department of Redundancy Department
(credit to Firesign Theater)!

Dean

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Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 15:04:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Wesley Van Kilgore <trout@pinn.net>
Subject: Introduction Re: Chalkhills #332

Greetings. I'm Wes Kilgore and I'm new to Chalkhills as well as Internet.
Like many Chalkhillians, I'm a musician. I play bass for a rap band
(gasp!) called Verbal Threat. We've opened up for Public Enemy, Us3,
Basehead, Follow For Now, Queen Latifah, etc. My main gig, however, is as
an editor for the Virginian Pilot.
        I was turned on to XTC during my junior year of high school (around
'82). I can't recall whether I saw them in Urrggh! doing "Respectable
Street" or borrowed my friend's English Settlement album first, but the
outcoume was the same... I was hooked.
        As a black man, I feel that Human Alchemy is the sincerest
expression of remorse about slavery I've ever heard from any white person.
        I haven't pulled the FAQs file yet, So forgive me if you've heard
these questions before.
        (1) Did XTC do any other covers beside the Hendrix one on White Noise
        (2) What was the extent of the XTC-River Phoenix relationship,
other than River mentioning the band in every interview.
        To the Jane Sibierry fan: my roommate has an autographed poster of
her when she played a gig here (Norfolk, VA) years ago in whole in the
wall called The King's Head Inn. He's hard up for cash, so he may be
willing to part with it.
        Oh yeah, and ditto on Sam Phillips album. Awesome.
        I think the best lyricists in pop music today, arguably, are
Partridge/Moulding, Costello, and Beat Crazy era Joe Jackson.
                                Gotta run,
                                Wes

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Date: Mon, 14 Mar 94 18:00:26 EST
From: stacy@trc.com (Robert Stacy)
Subject: Six strings, no waiting

   Ken (kes@acpub.duke.edu) raises a number of interesting points about
the "Towers of London" bend, and XTC guitar work in general.  I was
poking around with this same riff on the 'Paul a few weeks ago, and
couldn't let the synchronicity of his statement go unnoted (sorry).

   (A sidenote regarding string bends: I only started playing guitar
again, after many years' hiatus, about six months ago.  One adjunct in
coming up to speed that I have found extremely helpful is a little toy
that's been turning up in music stores, catalogs, u.s.w., called the
Grip-Master.  It looked kind of hokey when I saw the ad for it, but it
seemed logical, so I said what the hell and bought it anyway.
   (It's nothing fancy, just a rubber-covered handle with some spring-
loaded buttons attached.  I keep it in my left jacket pocket, and haul
it out when I'm in the car, or else use it in my pocket when I'm
walking outdoors.  It has made a _significant_ improvement in my
left-hand strength, making two- and three-fret bends far easier than
they ever were before.
   (I _wish_ I had a financial investment in this little baby, but
unfortunately am only a thoroughly satisfied user.  End of unsolicited
testimony.)

   Me, I couldn't begin to select a favorite XTC solo.  The way each
one is tuned to the individual song almost requires refocussing one's
critical acumen for each case.  The simplicity of the break in "Life
Begins at the Hop" is just right, with the right-hand muting keeping it
tight and contained right up to the burst of joyous release in the last
nine notes.  And how about that solo on "Towers" itself?  All those
grandiose assertions on the upper frets?  _Great_ attitude.
   And with a like-minded nod toward Ken's post in #332, the work in
"Rocket From a Bottle" is similarly notable.  One of the things that
made _Black Sea_ my favorite album (at least until the next one came
along) was the "riffiness" of it; not just solos, but chord work, as
well.  "Respectable Street"*, "Sgt. Rock", the pure, poppy, headlong
glee of the "Generals and Majors" hook -- there's a lot of solid
six-string work going down on that album.

   One of the things that definitely pushed me over the line
that separates viewing the band as "another bunch of guys playing
songs", and a group of musicians with the power to captivate (to the
extent that I'm spilling out a description of the experience more than
a decade later), is hearing "No Language in Our Lungs" for the first
time, performed in a live (taped) concert on the car radio while
returning from an errand at Caldor's.  The overlapping chordal textures
just floored me.  Sure, I was taken with the recursive nature of the
tune's intent (the intellectual hook, if you will), but I was musically
fascinated, as well.

   And to echo John Vorhees' anguished entreaty to Wile E: throw us a
bone on this XTC transcription book, wouldja?  A verbatim title and
publisher, at least, just to get the wheels turning.  Man, I bet your
e-mail's been spewing out the wall since you dropped _that_ little
bomb.  Geez, what a tease . . . .

--RSt

* There's an anecdote that goes along with my playing this track
  for the first time, but it'll keep 'til another post.  Maybe there
  are others who have had a similar experience.  One can only
  hope.

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Date: 14 Mar 94 21:33:03 EST
From: Steve Levenstein <70750.1117@compuserve.com>
Subject: Crash Test Dummies, eh?

   To _Karen_, who in Chalkhills #236 mentioned the _Crash Test
Dummies_, yes, I have heard that band. They are a Canadian group
out of Winnipeg, Manitoba. The lead singer ("Brad" something) has
the deepest voice I've ever heard; the band themselves have a sort
of folky, pastoral feel to their sound. They are best known for
their _Superman Song_, which was played interminably 'round here
(Toronto area) a couple of years ago. I really can't stand them,
when a song by them comes on the radio I can't turn the tuning
knob fast enough. I don't know about any XTC influence to their
material, unless it's the most "pastoral" of XTC.
   BTW, I'm 35, and first heard XTC's _Crowded Room_ in 1978.
---> Steve

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Date: Tue, 15 Mar 94 00:37 EST
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Subject: CFV: rec.music.beach-boys

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Date: Tue, 15 Mar 94 12:14 EST
From: "NEIL D. BERNSTEIN" <0004361918@mcimail.com>
Subject: Home at last...a new subscriber finds his people

I knew you were all out there somewhere, and finally I've found you.  The
Chalkhills gang.

Hi!  I'm a new subscriber and a fairly-long-time XTC fan living in Colorado
Springs, Colorado.  As you can tell from my rather useless email address, I
work for MCI, who brought me out here from New York.

I became aware of XTC during the glory days of WLIR back in New York, but I
didn't really get hooked until '84 and Big Express.  In fact, I have to thank
Wendy Berkowitz, wherever she may be, with getting me to listen to that
record.  I've become as familiar as I thought I could be with their music, and
I've read THE book.  Sadly, I became a fan too late to ever see the band live,
but I have had the good fortune to meet them on two occasions while working as
Program Director at WBRU in Providence.

What I have not ever done is join any of the fan clubs, so I have a lot of
catching up to do.  Just the last three digests have shown me that there's a
lot more XTC music out there that I need to get my ears around - any
suggestions on how I can get ahold of some of the tapes mentioned would be
appreciated.

My favorite record?  Who knows.  Probably Mummer.  Maybe ES.  Maybe
Skylarking.  All of them, really.  Sorry for the lame answer.

Some comments:

To Marshall Pierce, who says:

>  Unfortunately, Colorado Springs has lost it's alternative radio station,
> so I'm reduced to MTV and the local NPR station's free form program, which
> is on during business hours - of course, for new music or snatches of good
> music.

I, too, feel your pain (look out your window - I work up the street from you).
The death of 102.7 The Max was a terrible thing.

To all you raving about "Then She Appeared": I, too, share your pleasure.  It's
still my fave from Nonsuch.

To Chris Cahill <ccahill@xis.xerox.com>, who says of Sam Phillips:

>"The Indescribable Wow" was her first, but I can't think of the title of her
second album right now.

I, too, share your apathy toward her second album, because it was forgettable
after the first one.  The new one is terrific, but I haven't listened to it
enough to really notice Colin's contribution.  The funny part is that the song
I walked away singing is the one Colin coproduced.

Finally, to Ken Strayhorn Jr." <kes@acpub.duke.edu>, who speaks of:

> commercial rock stations that play Boston and Led Zepplin incessantly.

Please don't speak of Boston and Led Zepplin as if they were in the same
league.  LZ was an incredibly talented band who wrote music almost as rich and
complex as XTC's.  You should give them another good listen.  I'm suprprised
there aren't more XTC fans who are also LZ fans.

OK, now that all that's off my chest, it's time to go back to doing what they
pay me for.  Please forgive my ramblings - I'm new at this.

-Neil
(Neil_D_Bernstein@mcimail.com)

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From: hvsag01!adkoning@hvgtw.att.com
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 94 21:58:30 +0100
Subject: Gribouillage and Go2

Dean (d.zemel@genie.geis.com) wrote:
>What is "Griboulage"?  You mentioned this as one of the places where some of
>the unreleased Nonsuch-era demos have popped up?
Gribouillage is a 5-track 'not for sale' CD5 from France, containing
five demo's for Nonsuch. Three tracks are the same as the better
available Japanese 'Demo Tracks', they even look alike (a bit).
More info in the Discography (item 69 if I'm not mistaken).

I bought Gribouillage on a record fair here in The Netherlands (Utrecht)
a few weeks ago (I even managed to buy an extra copy for 'El Relpho'
himself). It was not too expensive (about 10 dollars). Look for the
french people if you visit fairs in Europe (April 16th in Amsterdam).

And for something completely different (let's say about 14 years before
that... gosh, that long?): is there anybody out there who has some
recording info on the 'Go2' sessions, including the track 'Are you
receiving me?' that was produced by Martin Rushent? I am about to do
some serious PostScript 'fiddeling' to get the 'Go2' CD-booklet a bit
more complete (you know the drill: engineers, complaning Chinese waiters
>from next door... oops, wrong album). Any help welcome!
        ,
 -- Andre de Koning

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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 14:56:55 -0500 (EST)
From: V074MYKG@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
Subject: Best solo
Organization: University at Buffalo

Greeting fellow Chalkhillians.  I am new so let me introduce myself.
My name is Eric Larson, but you can call me Travis.  I am 22 years old
and a student at the State University of New York at Buffalo and a
geograpghy major.  However, I grew up in Ronkonkoma, New York which is
on Long Island, just 40 minutes from New York City.  I have been an XTC
fan for about 6 years and my favorite albums are "The Big Express" and
"Oranges and Lemons."

XTC is by far my favorite group.  The other groups I am fans of are Van
Halen, Steely Dan, Led Zeppelin, Matthew Sweet, and Warrant.  I know,
it's a rather weird variety (especially Warrant) but variety is the spice
of life.

I am responding to cast my vote for best Dave Gregory guitar solo.  My
favorite happens to be "Extrovert."  It's just such a good rocking solo
that compliments the overall mood of the song.

Also, for anyone interested, I am posting an XTC lyrics quiz on the
"rec.games.trivia" newsgroup between the week of March 17 and March 24.
It might not be fair to let all the Chalkhillians on it because you'll
probably blow everyone else away, but I'm interested in getting a lot of
responses.

Oh, yeah, one more question.  What is Colin saying in the chorus to
"Ball and Chain"  After, "Save us from the ball and chain" 3x, it sounds
like "The diggers and the tower of something" but I don't know.  I can't
find the lyrics anywhere and they're not printed in the CD booklet.
You can write the answer to me at "v074mykg@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu"
I've got to know.

-Eric Larson (Travis Cameron)
University at Buffalo

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