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STRIKERS WORKING OVERTIME
PULSE!: Let's talk about the new album--it's been
a long time coming.
PARTRIDGE: Well, Apple Venus Volume One contains a lot of the
music that's been written while we were on strike from '92 to late '96. This
was the only thing we could do to get out of our appalling contract. I know
you're not supposed to do that in the pop world, you're not supposed to go on
strike, because people will say, "Oh, they'll forget about you, nobody will
remember you" and this kind of thing. But that didn't worry me, because I knew
that it was the only thing that we could do to get away from our deal. I mean,
we've spent 20 years in debt. It was an obscene deal. We were running in the
red for 20 years.
PULSE!: Right, and then you wonder why you're depressed
. . .
PARTRIDGE: Yeah! Well, things over the last four years have
been--they're great now--but they have been appalling. You know, my health was
bad, I was drinking too much, I found myself divorced, basically the band's
career was put in the fridge because we had to get out of this deal. So I said,
"Okay, we're not making any more records." And they said, "Okay, well, we'll
see who cracks first." And we took it to five years, and thankfully they
cracked first and let us go. And in that time, I also got together with the
love of my life. So I've had extreme depression and extreme joy, which are the
two great things for writing music or doing any art. You know the best art
comes from extreme depression or extreme elation. And I've been through those
in buckets.
PULSE!: So are you planning to sustain this extreme elation, or are
you just going to give up on art once things settle down?
PARTRIDGE: If art doesn't give up on me, that's the thing. I'll leave
my headset on receive, and we'll just see if Radio Muse keeps broadcasting. But
this material we're putting out now--we stirred up something like 40 songs. We
basically gave up writing and got to the point where, "Jesus, we're so happy
with this material, what's the point in writing any more." It's like we've got
four albums worth of material here. So we whittled it down to what we thought
would be two good records. And the first volume is largely orchestral and
acoustic centered. It's the stuff that was written first of all after
Nonsuch, so you can see threads of it in songs like "Rook," "Wrapped in
Grey" and "Bungalow." So if we hadn't been on strike and legally unable to
work, this is really the album that should have come out about three or four
years ago. We put together 11 of these songs for Volume One. And then
Volume Two, which hopefully we'll put out in the fall, will be all
electric guitar-based.
PULSE!: You've also spent time rummaging through all your old
material, both for the boxed set and then for the book. Was that a strange
experience?
PARTRIDGE: Basically what happened with the book is that we sat down
with Neville [Farmer, co-author of XTC Song Stories]--Colin and myself
and to a lesser degree Dave Gregory, he was in the process of sort of
extracting himself from the band at the time, but we didn't really know that.
So he really didn't want to take part in the book, much to our upset. We
couldn't figure out why he didn't want to be part of these conversations. But
he did some separate stuff with Neville, which Neville then cut
in. So we'd sit down and we'd take out the
albums. And, you know, I don't play our material. There's no need. It's like a
dog returning to his vomit. You know, an artist doesn't stand in front of his
own paintings and stare at them for hours on end saying "Wow, aren't I
fantastic?" It's kind of pointless. You get it out of your system, you move on,
you know? It was weird to sit down and put these albums on that I had not
heard, some of them, for 10 years or more. And some of the stuff that comes
flooding back is very strange. It's not necessarily musical stuff. It's things
like: Oh, that was the day I had some new boots on, or I can smell the studio,
or didn't so and so have that gravy stain down his shirt? Do you know what I
mean? Lots of strange memories came back.
PULSE!: So having done that, do you now understand why a dog returns
to his own vomit?
PARTRIDGE: Yeah, it tastes great occasionally! (laughs) All depends
what you have eaten. So I guess I had some good influences, so hopefully our
vomit is very tasty. But that was a strange
sensation, to sit down and then work through an album at a time, and play
through every song one at a time. And then Colin and I were usually kind of
awash and drowning in sensory memories and we'd then blurt out anything that
came to mind. Then we got to the new
material, which at the time had not been recorded and was only in demo
stage. And so we had to play the demos. [They were] musically unformed so it
was tricky commenting on the music, because the music would change to some
degree. But also I wasn't far enough away from the material to really have a
big handle on what a lot of it was about. Take "Knights in Shining Karma [Apple
Venus]." Now that I'm further away from it, I can see that I was writing a
comfort song for myself. Because I went through a very painful divorce, and was
sort of stuck learning how to cook and all this kind of stuff. And I'd catch
myself sort of crying at the sink, thinking, yeah, I'm not gonna eat tonight,
and what am I doing here, and my woman done left me and all this kind of
thing. And I really wrote this song as, not a lullaby, but some form of musical
blanket to kind of put around myself and say, "Look, everything's fine. You're
a good person. Everything's gonna work out good. And then, this good karma that
you're trying to make as you go along is gonna protect you and hold you up, in
this time of weakness, or this time of desertion or whatever." So it really was
like I wrote myself a blanket to put around myself. And I didn't quite see that
at the time. But, you know, as I get farther away from these songs, I can see
more and more of what they're about.
PULSE!: And the boxed set?
PARTRIDGE: We went back to the BBC and got the use of all the
sessions that we did for them--well, the ones they haven't wiped. They're
notorious for wiping stuff. They've wiped the greats. They've wiped Hendrix.
They've wiped just marvelous stuff. They've wiped eight of ours. But all the
remaining stuff, we then sifted through it and we made up four discs. Two live
discs, live in concert, and two studio sessions discs. The studio stuff is
pretty close to the recorded version, except some of them are actually better
than the album versions because they have a quick desperation. You know, you
have to get them done in one afternoon. And they have a kind of a rough
intensity that may have got ironed out on an album version. But Transistor
Blast is very different to how we sound now, especially the live stuff from
the late '70s. I heard the BBC tapes recently compiling this stuff, and I was
laughing my socks off. It's so naive and so energetic. So kind of gangly. It's
like naked baby photos or something. But I think I'll forgive the young me for
doing all that . . . Actually, I had a bit of a revelation
listening to these early live tapes.
PULSE!: What was that?
PARTRIDGE: I think everything I thought the young me did at one time
was kind of--you know, can you imagine something you did in your early 20s when
you were really striving [for] originality, plus you were like ferociously
naive, and imagine that being in the public domain and you wanting to get away
from it, and it's suddenly coming back 20 years later.
PULSE!: And then you hear it again and realize there's more of the
current you in the young you than you ever imagined
. . .
PARTRIDGE: Yeah! I was kind of shocked and delighted. I kept
thinking, God, the sauce of these kids! This music is just so ludicrous. The
friendly violence, the friendly fire of this music, it really goes for your
throat, this stuff. And just the chords and the melodies and the vocal--a
mixture of sort of acrobatics and just sheer laziness. I could just see all
these influences mangled into a blender and kind of shot out at a thousand
miles an hour. And I was just laughing with kind of unfettered joy and relief
that the young me could be not only naive but really sort of ugly-attractive.
Especially the live stuff. There's a great desperation and energy in it. It's
frightening. I couldn't do that now. Seriously. It would kill me.
PULSE!: You just don't have the same hormonal
levels . . .
PARTRIDGE: And I don't have the same desperation to impress, you
know? But it's very much like naive art, because we didn't know what the hell
we were doing, but we insisted it was tight and well-polished and
well-finished. But we couldn't do it properly, if you see what I mean. When
you get a group of people, they all want to be someone different. You
know, I wanted to be Captain Beefheart's entire Magic Band and I wanted
to be all of the Beatles and all of the Monkees and the Jetsons.
So if you can imagine, say, those four smashed together. And that was just
me. And then Barry Andrews [keyboardist on
early XTC albums]: He'd want to be the Phantom of the Opera or he'd want to be
the organist from the Tornadoes, you know, all his influences. I'm just
picking four, I mean, I had millions, he had millions, Terry Chambers had
millions, so did Colin.
PULSE!: Who did Colin have?
PARTRIDGE: Colin probably had a straighter selection than me. He
liked bands like Black Sabbath. I mean, I thought they were OK, but he was
really obsessed with Black Sabbath, he loved Alice Cooper, he was a big Rolling
Stones fan. He got into the Beatles later. And so did I, actually. I liked them
as a kid. And then I had a big period where I denied them and I didn't want
anything to do with them. And of course, they were a massive influence
for me, but there was a time when the band really started up, I wanted to deny
their influence. It was almost like because your parents approved of it, you
didn't want anything to do with it. But somewhere in all those incredible
influences, the mess of influences, where they all collide, was XTC. And that
was the thing. I was just laughing with joy. Because it was like this stuff is
naive but fine. So I hope people get that. I think people that know the band
these days, and don't know the earlier work, will probably be disgusted by the
cacophony of it. But you never know.
PULSE!: It seems to me that it's unprecedented for a band to actively
provide so much information about the actual songs and lyrics and music as you
have in this book. I assume you're not one of those artists who's very guarded
about your creations and feels that talking about them is going to ruin them
somehow.
PARTRIDGE: No, because we have really rabid fans that seem to spend
all their life on the Internet discussing the ins and outs of our songs. So I
thought it was good timing, you know, the end of the Virgin years, as it were,
the start of another career. I mean, some of the things they say about the
songs are just so out-of-whack, which is great fun. But I thought it was a good
time to come clean on some of these songs and what the hell they were.
PULSE!: What are some of the better misinterpretations of your
songs?
PARTRIDGE: Oh, there's just too many. One man wrote to me and just
went through the lyric to "Garden of Earthly Delights" on Oranges and
Lemons picking out all the stuff he thought was relevant to Star
Trek. And the song is not anything about Star Trek. But because I
had mentioned the name Chekhov and there happened to be an episode of Star
Trek called "Garden of Earthly Delights," that was it. His little four-watt
light bulb went on and he was convinced that the whole song was in praise of
Star Trek.
PULSE!: Well, you know, on a Jungian level, it could be so in spite
of your intentions.
PARTRIDGE: You never know. It's the shape of my ears that's the
give-away, really. But people get all sorts of songs wrong, you know. People
also get very passionately weird about songs. I had a lot of love and hate mail
after "Dear God." And I had a great--I say great, but I mean it wasn't good, it
was just very memorable--a letter from, I think it was Arizona, a fellow sent
me a letter when he heard "Knuckle Down" on English Settlement. And he
was disgusted that I was promoting love between the races. And, you know, he
was saying that the white race is gonna die out, and I was a traitor to the
white race, and how dare I promote interracial love. And he wasn't gonna sign
his name and address, because I was obviously going to send one of my Negro
monkeys from Brixton down to his place and rape him and his entire family. So,
you know, people get kind of weird about songs for all the wrong reasons.
PULSE!: So what is "Knuckle Down" about?
PARTRIDGE: It's just a song that says let's stop fighting
interracially and enjoy ourselves while we have the time. And "knuckle down" is
largely a play on knuckle down in terms of we gotta get working on this and
make an effort, but also knuckle down as in putting your knuckles down and
let's stop the fighting. Let's get on with each other, because we only get a
short span of time here, and it'd be nice to oil the passage between the races
and the creeds and colors and religious differences and everything.
PULSE!: It's amazing how the things that, when you write them, you
don't think are really the least bit provocative, end up causing people to
freak out . . .
PARTRIDGE: Yeah, he obviously was some sort of white supremacist and
this song got right up his nose. But I was more disgusted to think that we had
a white supremacist who, at one time, before this song, was a fan of the band,
you know? That was what really upset me . . . But people get all
sorts of songs wrong, you know. People have written to me and say, oh such and
such a song, I know it's about me. And all that kind of thing. So that
happens a bit, you know.
PULSE!: So the strike is finally over . . .
PARTRIDGE: Yeah. In fact, we're building a studio at the moment. The
builders are in knocking the shit out of Colin's double garage, and we're
turning it into a regular studio because we're sick of throwing money into
studios. So it's all these years from the garage back to the garage. It's kind
of ironic.
PULSE!: Had you ever imagined you'd still be doing this sort of thing
with each other?
PARTRIDGE: No, I didn't. Certainly not. I mean, when I was really
just a kid, when we did [1978's] White Music, I kind of thought, "Wow,
well that's it, then, that's my dream fulfilled." But it's like being bitten by
a rabid dog, you know? Not only is this suddenly addictive, this big hit of
being in the studio and touring and adulation and getting your art out is such
a buzz, you think, whoa, I wanna do this some more. And before long, you find
yourself a hopeless junkie to songwriting. And yeah, I'm totally damaged by all
that. I can't stop. But I'll say in all honesty, and it probably sounds
immodest but I think it's true, that we've actually got quite a lot better.
Different, but for me, better. You know, we're nearer the emerald city, I
think, now.
PULSE!: And if the young version of you were to hear this new
material?
PARTRIDGE: Oh, he'd be repulsed. he'd be totally repulsed. He'd think
it was really middle of the road. He'd think it was kind of, I don't know, his
parents' light entertainment shoved through a strimmer or something.
PULSE!: Through a what?
PARTRIDGE: A strimmer. You know one of those garden things that cut
your hedges? Yes, he'd probably think it was his parents' music put through a
strimmer. Like bad light entertainment on Drano or something. So I'm really
happy with it. It's different. And you know, I hope the fans of the band--I
don't like the word fans, maybe friends of the band--who've come this far with
us, I hope they'll like where it's gone for this particular record.
PULSE!: Well as a friend of the band who got stood up at that
English Settlement show in L.A. . . .
PARTRIDGE: Oh, I'm sorry. I'm really sorry. I was having a lot of
problems at the time. I was cracking up at the time. It was five years on the
road and it was really hitting me bad.
PULSE!: I can't imagine that kind of
traveling . . .
PARTRIDGE: Yeah, I enjoyed it when we started. It was great because
it was like being in a gang. You know, we were a gang, we'd drink and we were
gonna screw the world and we were gonna deafen everybody. It's like a kind of
rock'n'roll gang with guitars around their necks, that's what it's like being
in a young band. And then we were thrown in the back of a van, that seemed to
last for five years. I mean, literally we were performing every night for five
years, and the only time off we got was while we were making an album. And as
soon as you made that record, or even during sometimes, you'd be out touring
again. And five years of it just drove me insane. I wanted a normal life. And
my subconscious started to say, "You're not enjoying this, we're going to make
you ill." So [stopping] was necessary. And now it's out of my system. I love
writing songs. I love making records. For me, that's the magic, that's
the alchemy.
--BILL FORMAN
Photographs by Jill Furmanovsky
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